Disagreeing and asking for proof you never procured is not the same as calling you liars.
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I did read it, though after I posted my question. I don't think that paragraph answers my question. I'm not debating whether it is evidence of some family tendency. I want to understand why it is relevant for the then-VP to acknowledge it publicly. For Beau Biden himself not to reveal it for the sake of the people of Delaware and his role as state AG is another matter; why did then-VP Biden need to reveal it?
Do you think he knew he was wrong in 2020 and was lying, or that he truly believed it?
Was his apology for being disrespectful when she was right, or for gaslighting her?
Possible . They thought the voters would hold Biden accountable for the border and inflation. The plan with Kamala, gussying her up as some sort of hope and change candidate despite her record low unpopulary the previous four years, worked for a while. She got an initial bump due to 95% favorable media coverage and an adequate debate showing. She clearly caught Trump off guard. She had her moments when she actually put the prep work in, but the 60 minutes and View interviews were her downfall. Even on friendly terrain, she just couldn’t answer basic questions.
Pattern of coverups by this family of serious medical issues that interfere with political aspirations. Not clear whether it was originally Joe or Beau’s idea, but it’s clear that Beau shouldn’t have been working the last year of his life and that the stress of a hectic lifestyle likely hastened his death.
Already on record that I'm not a registered Democrat and that I do not depend on msm for my news.
The eyes don't lie. We saw him shuffling, stumbling, and mumbling through interviews or press conferences since 2020. If you went to a Retirement home a few times and talked with some of the same residents, you'd have a good gauge as who had memory/cognitive decline.
As there is at least a little bias to every news source, the key is getting a cross-section. I do that. I never base my opinions off a single source.
It's hard to imagine he believed in 2020 that Biden was ok. I think Tapper, along with most of the others, had to toe the company line. The disaster of his debate in 24 forced most of msm to alter their stance some.
Hope his apology was genuine. He was disrespectful, and he was gaslighting her.
What kind of proof? Medical proof? That’s the whole point of a coverup; there is no proof other than what we saw with our own eyes every day. If the Rep pointed to video evidence, they were accused of doctoring “Cheap Fakes”, of being cruel and ageist.
I’m seeing this more and more from Dems. They are embarrassed of being labeled as a Democrat, so they register as an Independent while still voting Dem every election.
How many times have you not voted for a Democrat in a presidential election?
Edit: For full transparency @Dattier, this was a rhetorical question as I know you won’t answer.
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In order to gaslight someone, you have to know otherwise yourself. Unless you think people can gaslight themselves, I guess.
If it was so obvious and everyone truly knew back in 2020, what difference did the '24 debate make? If it was so easy to deny something that obvious before, why not stick with the same denial in '24?
What's to stop that from being applied to you? That you knew nothing about Biden's actual cognitive state, and were merely assuming it based on symptoms that very well could have been something else?
It’s not a fixed condition It gets worse. So if there were no signs prior to the debate, if it was merely a stuttering issue, then why was he jettisoned in the coup? Couldn’t it have just been a bad night? Or was the debate a sign that it was getting worse? That any attempt going forward to claim that the Rep were exaggerating Biden’s condition would look sketchy?
As an unaffiliated voter in NC, I have the option of choosing a Republican ballot in the primary, and did so in 2000 to vote for Sen McCain over then Gov Bush. I don't recall how much earlier than that I opted for unaffiliated on my registration, but it was before 2000 and I haven't changed that since. If you're seeing more and more people claiming they're not Democrats, it's likely because it's true, but you're calling them Democrats anyway, as you are in this instance with me.
Since the first Presidential (general) election I could vote in in 1992 when I was 20, I have voted for the Democratic candidate every time, the exact number of the times the GOP has put forth a candidate opposing social freedoms I support and public spending I support. It's not the gotcha question you appear to think it is. In retrospect, McCain in '08 and Romney in '12 may have been the most benign GOP Presidents in that stretch, if elected.
Unless you're standing by any votes you cast for Democratic Presidential candidates previously, your question is just as much an indictment of you (which would be 0% in my book, as I find the question irrelevant). And you are on record saying your previous liberal leanings were all based on sham information, which is as good as a denouncement of those votes, if they exist at all.
So if we agree that it gets worse, why the hard line on claiming everyone knew it so clearly in 2020?
(If not from you specifically, then definitely from @Mac9192 , @dukesince91 , and @GhostOf301)
For me, this has never been a question of whether he has lost a step, of whether there has been any decline whatsoever. No, most of y'all have been saying since 2021, if not earlier, that he was a complete vegetable, that he was incapable of doing anything whatsoever. That kind of hyperbole might be fine among friends, but I'm not any of y'all's friend, and not a single one of you would ever back off your hyperbole an inch. You deny it's hyperbole. So what's left then except trench warfare? Why would I concede an inch here when none of y'all will and I'm badly outnumbered? It's no different than what you said about Israel with me not long ago: in certain contexts, you're willing to be critical of certain decisions and Netanyahu's leadership, but in other contexts it's time for a united front, to circle the wagons. Why is it so hard to believe that with Trump as an alternative, spouting all kinds of rhetoric about retribution throughout the campaign last year, Democrats would cling to practically anything?
You're not seeing the forest because of the trees. The media has been gaslighting the right for a long time. The Biden ordeal was a huge one, but they got egg on their face the night of the debate. I believe they were so brazen, they actually thought they could keep the wool over enough peoples eyes. The right? They knew we didn't buy what they were selling. The far left, like you? They had nothing to worry about. They have their control over you. The issue was the many still hovering around in the middle undecided. Enough of them just happened to finally use their eyes, and they came to a conclusion similar to all those on the right. That the left was full of shit.
The fact you're asking for proof, we're just firing off accusations with no merit... only confirms just how far gone you are. This really was easy to see Datt. All you had to be was a little bit open minded.
It was very clear during the campaign in 2020 that Biden was mostly a vegetable. That's why he ran a basement campaign and rarely took questions or made statements. This isn’t some wild conspiracy. You don't get to deny it for 3 years and then when it get exposed to the point that even the propagandists themselves have to cover it, then say, 'well, he WAS sharp and the fact that he is a vegetable now doesn't mean that you were right this whole time'. Totally dishonest and idiotic.
Remember when the Easter bunny had to stop him from talking to the press? Throughout his 2020 campaign and his entire presidency, there was always someone in between him and the press to stop them from asking questions and to keep him from answering them. And we're supposed to just pretend we didn't see that with our own eyes.
You wouldn’t concede an inch.
Bingo. If y’all actually thought that Trump was an existential threat to our republic, your position could have been: Look folks Biden has his moments, most 80 year olds do, and maybe there’s some age related decline cognitively and physically, but he’s still capable. Not the malarkey that Binder and the msm were spewing:
‘I Was Obviously Wrong!’ Joe Scarborough Admits to Jake Tapper His Biden ‘At His Best’ Remark Was a Mistake
Joe Scarborough admitted to Jake Tapper he was "obviously wrong" about his "Biden at his Best" comment in April of 2024 during a spirited Morning Joe segment.
For Datt: Prob the first time you’re seeing it. What would have happened if she hadn’t intervened?
To you. Here. Exactly. Because y'all won't accept an inch. you want the next inch, then the next.
I have no respect for your intellect or communication style, mac. I wouldn't even know where to begin with this. You are condescending aML from the jump. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
It's the zero-th time I've seen it. What is it, our last President stumble-bumbling aimlessly and being steered back on course by Dr Biden? What do you think would have happened? War with Denmark? Citizenship for cars?
Truth hurts doesn't it. I would gain a little bit of respect for you if you'd just admit you were wrong and we were right, but I won't hold my breath waiting. I see what you post, how you do your best to deflect, call names... just to avoid the issue. You're clever to the point of cunning.
All you are is an educated man that has very little common sense.
Who is Binder? Is that an actual person or a childish nickname for someone?You wouldn’t concede an inch.
Bingo. If y’all actually thought that Trump was an existential threat to our republic, your position could have been: Look folks Biden has his moments, most 80 year olds do, and maybe there’s some age related decline cognitively and physically, but he’s still capable. Not the malarkey that Binder and the msm were spewing:
‘I Was Obviously Wrong!’ Joe Scarborough Admits to Jake Tapper His Biden ‘At His Best’ Remark Was a Mistake
Joe Scarborough admitted to Jake Tapper he was "obviously wrong" about his "Biden at his Best" comment in April of 2024 during a spirited Morning Joe segment.www.mediaite.com
Yeah, you don't think Trump is an existential threat to our republic, but you're going to advise those of us who do (if we "actually" do) how we ought to do it?
All vulnerability ever got President Obama was more ridicule and accusations of weakness. President Trump has never apologized or acknowledged for anything that I know of. Even his call to the Georgia SoS was supposedly "perfect." But you're going to advise the side you never would have considered in the first place how they should have presented something.So Joe Scarborough admits he was wrong about something? What narrative is this for? The one where everyone knew everything but everyone participated in a massive cover-up the whole time, or the one where people didn't know because they weren't in on whatever cover-up there was?
I do not recognize truth in anything you post.
I've been having very cordial interactions with @KDSTONE . I've had them fairly often over the years with @GhostOf301 . You persist in using a communication style I have told you repeatedly is a deal breaker.
I haven't called anyone a name in weeks.
to this video, different angle version shows him clearly acknowledging 5 or 6 soldiers that had just parachuted down
Conservative media uses misleading camera angle of Biden to falsely claim he was wandering aimlessly
A different angle, captured by NBC News, shows that President Joe Biden was walking to give a thumbs-up to parachuters who had just landed in a demonstration.
www.nbcnews.com
