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You had 10 investigations into the 4 Benghazi murders. No charges. You've had fewer investigations into January 6th, where 5 people died.
The only person who died on the worst day since Pearl Harbor was the woman who was shot by the cop. You're repeating lies. The other deaths were not as a result of anything at the Capitol.
 
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No, I recognize the prosecutor may have had it out for him, but he found legit stuff. The judge and the jury? So what. They're sworn to look at the evidence and follow procedure. Y'all find it more believable that all these people conspired to convict him than the possibility that one guy with a history of shady business practices actually did it. Not a question.

The particular felonies he was convicted of are often punished with fines, so those on the Left calling for imprisonment (and there were many), it was all just wishful thinking. Sentencing was delayed pending appeal and the election, and now, four more years, if they ever get around to it at all.
Legit stuff. Sounds legit. I believe him, B. I don't know why, but I do.
 
I don't watch a single one of them, aaaaaand it looks like we're done here.
You missed the point. Those channels were just examples. My point is that whatever your thoughts are, I know exactly where to find them. There is no deviation from the mainstream narrative. If I want to know what Dattier thinks about a certain subject or topic, simply turn on any of those channels.
 
No, I recognize the prosecutor may have had it out for him, but he found legit stuff. The judge and the jury? So what. They're sworn to look at the evidence and follow procedure. Y'all find it more believable that all these people conspired to convict him than the possibility that one guy with a history of shady business practices actually did it. Not a question.

The particular felonies he was convicted of are often punished with fines, so those on the Left calling for imprisonment (and there were many), it was all just wishful thinking. Sentencing was delayed pending appeal and the election, and now, four more years, if they ever get around to it at all.
I disagree but fair enough
 
The only person who died on the worst day since Pearl Harbor was the woman who was shot by the cop. You're repeating lies. The other deaths were not as a result of anything at the Capitol.
Exactly. This is how I know he has no independent thought. He literally just repeats what the msm tells him. And I’m not trying to single him out. This is a pattern from the left.

I think that’s why it’s so hard for them to believe some of the things outside of their bubble. They are so conditioned to literally believe everything said in tv.
 
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There's so much just in the last several years that severely favors the politicians on the left that have been proven. The Russian hoax, the endless harassment of Trump, the Hunter laptop that was withheld until after the 2020 election, and the coverup of Biden's mental decline. Fox covered them, but not the rest of msm. @Dattier still won't budge, and still hounds Fox News.

I would like to think if Trump did in fact do something very shady, or start to show signs of mental decline, even Fox would cover it. To be honest, the one I'm not sure that would cover it would be Hannity. I can be honest. Datt can't.
 
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The only person who died on the worst day since Pearl Harbor was the woman who was shot by the cop. You're repeating lies. The other deaths were not as a result of anything at the Capitol.
Uh, there were at least 3 others who died in direct connection to it: a couple insurrectionists and a police officer who had a stroke and died the next day. And then the cop who killed himself a couple days later.

Regardless, how many investigations did the GOP have looking into that?
 
There's so much just in the last several years that severely favors the politicians on the left that have been proven. The Russian hoax, the endless harassment of Trump, the Hunter laptop that was withheld until after the 2020 election, and the coverup of Biden's mental decline. Fox covered them, but not the rest of msm. @Dattier still won't budge, and still hounds Fox News.

I would like to think if Trump did in fact do something very shady, or start to show signs of mental decline, even Fox would cover it. To be honest, the one I'm not sure that would cover it would be Hannity. I can be honest. Datt can't.
FoxNews actually has broken from President Trump a few times. I can be honest.
You're still clinging to the idea that the 2020 election was stolen.
 
Uh, there were at least 3 others who died in direct connection to it: a couple insurrectionists and a police officer who had a stroke and died the next day. And then the cop who killed himself a couple days later.

Regardless, how many investigations did the GOP have looking into that?
You mean the same insurrection that less than a year ago was confirmed that there were 20 some infiltrators, when most right of center knew it wasn't just Trump supporters that went in? That insurrection? The one that the media did everything they could to deny? The same media that didn't report on the fact Trump also asked for extra security measures before his rally?

That insurrection?
 
You mean the same insurrection that less than a year ago was confirmed that there were 20 some infiltrators, when most right of center knew it wasn't just Trump supporters that went in? That insurrection? The one that the media did everything they could to deny? The same media that didn't report on the fact Trump also asked for extra security measures before his rally?

That insurrection?
You mean the one where 20 unpaid informants were in the crowd observing and a few of them also breached the security barricade in direct contradiction to the FBI's instructions? Yeah, that's the one.
 
You mean the same insurrection that less than a year ago was confirmed that there were 20 some infiltrators, when most right of center knew it wasn't just Trump supporters that went in? That insurrection? The one that the media did everything they could to deny? The same media that didn't report on the fact Trump also asked for extra security measures before his rally?

That insurrection?
No. I think he's talking about the one where a dude wearing viking horns was a swing of the gavel away from overthrowing the government while grandma MAGA took selfie with Capitol police.
 
Also @Dattier, why did the media stay quiet on all the protests from 2020? Yet they still cling to Charlottesville, which has been proven to not been what they tried to sell it as, or they cling to Jan 6th.

Yet you all stay shockingly quiet on anything that has to do with the Left. And you wonder why no one here takes you serious. Like I've said, if you don't want to be treated like a hack, then stop acting like one.
 
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Exactly. This is how I know he has no independent thought. He literally just repeats what the msm tells him. And I’m not trying to single him out. This is a pattern from the left.

I think that’s why it’s so hard for them to believe some of the things outside of their bubble. They are so conditioned to literally believe everything said in tv.
Look at all the conservatives here all believing the exact same things, all rejecting everything they don't like from msm. I check original sourcing and cross-reference all media I consume. When 9/10 of dentists agree that chewing gravel is bad for your teeth, y'all think you're "independent thinkers" for going with that 10th guy.

Hey, @dukesince91 , is this that thing where you claimed it's just the Left accusing the Right of what they are guilty of themselves? 🤣
 
Look at all the conservatives here all believing the exact same things, all rejecting everything they don't like from msm. I check original sourcing and cross-reference all media I consume. When 9/10 of dentists agree that chewing gravel is bad for your teeth, y'all think you're "independent thinkers" for going with that 10th guy.

Hey, @dukesince91 , is this that thing where you claimed it's just the Left accusing the Right of what they are guilty of themselves? 🤣
The average size of a man's penis while fully erect is twice the length of his thumb.
 
Also @Dattier, why did the media stay quiet on all the protests from 2020? Yet they still cling to Charlottesville, which has been proven to not been what they tried to sell it as, or they cling to Jan 6th.

Yet you all stay shockingly quiet on anything that has to do with the Left. And you wonder why no one here takes you serious. Like I've said, if you don't want to be treated like a hack, then stop acting like one.
I rarely bring anything up first here. I'm usually just arguing 1 v 6 or so with the things y'all say based on completely bogus sources.

Who was quiet on what protests from 2020? The only thing I recall that was taken out of context from Charlottesville was the claim that President Trump said Nazis were very fine people when he was equivocating the side that chanted "Jews will not replace us" with the counter-protesters.
 
Look at all the conservatives here all believing the exact same things, all rejecting everything they don't like from msm. I check original sourcing and cross-reference all media I consume. When 9/10 of dentists agree that chewing gravel is bad for your teeth, y'all think you're "independent thinkers" for going with that 10th guy.

Hey, @dukesince91 , is this that thing where you claimed it's just the Left accusing the Right of what they are guilty of themselves? 🤣
I’m legitimately asking a question here. Say you get some information from the msm. If the original source and cross-reference all come from the same ideology and background, what good is it? Like I said before, if a source from UNC tells me that Dean Smith being the best coach of all-time is a fact and universally accepted, how would solely going to other pro UNC sources tell me anything different? It’s only going to reaffirm the original information you received.
 
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No, I recognize the prosecutor may have had it out for him, but he found legit stuff. The judge and the jury? So what. They're sworn to look at the evidence and follow procedure. Y'all find it more believable that all these people conspired to convict him than the possibility that one guy with a history of shady business practices actually did it. Not a question.

The particular felonies he was convicted of are often punished with fines, so those on the Left calling for imprisonment (and there were many), it was all just wishful thinking. Sentencing was delayed pending appeal and the election, and now, four more years, if they ever get around to it at all.
“If they ever get around to it all”. lol.
Guess since the election has come and gone, it doesn’t seem so urgent after all
 
That particular article is about the one specific student who was elected as the spokesperson for the movement. It makes sense that they would interview those around him and that the govt would have no comment. That's how it goes a lot of the time. How else is the media supposed to get information about what he, specifically, did if the govt has no comment?
If he provided “material comfort” to Hamas, that’s an illegal act.
If he merely supports Hamas, then that’s generally protected by the First Amendment.
Hopefully, since it’s such a high profile case, the State Dept conducted a thorough investigation and compiled the necessary evidence.
Although it has no bearing on his legal situation, it’s notable that he put up posters of Sinwar all over campus, the mastermind of Oct 7 so this guy is as big a pos as you will find

Students for Justice in Palestine and other prominent anti- Israel groups are currently being sued for such “material comfort” to https://unitedwithisrael.org/hamas-...6o5gZzJxyzAts4Zc_g_aem_UZjZWmKQ6-RJyzAR_XNEZw
 
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Is this what he was doing, though? Is it.....
Yes. Yes, it is. He said there were good people on both sides as a deflection when he was being pushed to denounce white nationalism. He didn't say there were good Nazis, but it was a moment that called for a strong denouncement of one side and one side only, and he didn't.
 
No need to waste my time with you. Like I said before, you get off on being a jerk.
It would logically follow, then, that you get off on being an intellectual coward.
Personally, I don't think either of us has much of a clue what the other gets off on, but if that's where you want to go...
 
“If they ever get around to it all”. lol.
Guess since the election has come and gone, it doesn’t seem so urgent after all
No, since the election and the SCOUTUS ruling granting him so much immunity, there's no point to trying now. A sitting President is not going to face sentencing for a conviction that didn't prevent him from being elected. Don't pretend the SDNY actually has a choice now.
 
I’m legitimately asking a question here.
No, you aren't, because no matter what I say -- and I've already demonstrated many times over how I address the rest of that grade school lesson you're trying to act wise with -- you're going to claim to already know what I know and how I think, call me a sheep, and throw out backhanded compliments like how I'm halfway smart or something, like you're an authority on that.
 
Yes. Yes, it is. He said there were good people on both sides as a deflection when he was being pushed to denounce white nationalism. He didn't say there were good Nazis, but it was a moment that called for a strong denouncement of one side and one side only, and he didn't.
Nope. It won't matter how many times this lie is debunked, you guys will just keep repeating as if it were true.
 
Question for anyone but Dattier. Have liberals always been as intellectually dishonest as him? I feel like it hasn’t always been this way. I go back and forth between whether they believe what they are saying or just flat out lying. When did this change? It seems you used to be able to have reasonable conversations with them. Is it simply TDS? Is it that the left’s ideologies have gotten so out of hand that they have to lie and bypass reality to stay in line with their marching orders? I mean most of them refuse to even define what a women is because they are so invested in their script.

Thoughts?
 
Put 5 republicans in a room and bring up politics. There will eventually be a heated argument. Put 5 democrats in a room and bring up politics. They'll sound like robots reading from the same book.
 
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Nope. It won't matter how many times this lie is debunked, you guys will just keep repeating as if it were true.
The lie was that he said Nazis were very fine people. He indeed equivocated when he made the "both sides" statement, despite one side deserving 99% of the blame.

I'm acknowledging the lie. Why can't you acknowledge the truth?
 
Question for anyone but Dattier. Have liberals always been as intellectually dishonest as him? I feel like it hasn’t always been this way. I go back and forth between whether they believe what they are saying or just flat out lying. When did this change? It seems you used to be able to have reasonable conversations with them. Is it simply TDS? Is it that the left’s ideologies have gotten so out of hand that they have to lie and bypass reality to stay in line with their marching orders? I mean most of them refuse to even define what a women is because they are so invested in their script.

Thoughts?
Passive-agression is cute.

Liberals feel very similar to this about conservatives. Don't act like it's just one way. Whatever the reasons for the divide (and I am confident we do not agree), both sides participate now.

Good luck with your conservatives-only poll. You realize you just demonstrated a preference for an echo chamber, don't you?
 
Put 5 republicans in a room and bring up politics. There will eventually be a heated argument. Put 5 democrats in a room and bring up politics. They'll sound like robots reading from the same book.
You wouldn't even be in the latter room to know. Nor I in the former. Whatever happens in the former room, they'd all be singing the same tune when they emerge. I'm sure that means "rallying for the common cause" to you, just like when you disavow our President's personal conduct before shrugging it off and saying you like his policies. I'm more inclined to calling it "kissing the ring," but I wish liberals did that as well, frankly. Y'all are very fond of pointing out how the Democratic Party is in shambles (I agree) and that the Left eat their own (I agree), yet somehow you can still push the idea that we're all on the same page like robots?
 
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The lie was that he said Nazis were very fine people. He indeed equivocated when he made the "both sides" statement, despite one side deserving 99% of the blame.

I'm acknowledging the lie. Why can't you acknowledge the truth?
He wasn't talking about the protests or the protesters. He was talking about the debate. He fully condemned the protesters. It just wasn't enough for you. And I got to say, for someone trying to convince the masses that they aren't a parrot of the left wing media. You're fully in on this one.
 
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Passive-agression is cute.

Liberals feel very similar to this about conservatives. Don't act like it's just one way. Whatever the reasons for the divide (and I am confident we do not agree), both sides participate now.

Good luck with your conservatives-only poll. You realize you just demonstrated a preference for an echo chamber, don't you?
You’ve proven to be out of touch with reality. Sticking to your script is more important to you than critical thought. This isn’t the Dat way, but rather the liberal way. There are plenty of conservatives I disagree with. As a matter of fact I don’t know one conservative that I agree with on every topic. But we can converse on those differences because we are using the same baseline of reality. You have a dynamic baseline of reality.
 
You’ve proven to be out of touch with reality. Sticking to your script is more important to you than critical thought. This isn’t the Dat way, but rather the liberal way. There are plenty of conservatives I disagree with. As a matter of fact I don’t know one conservative that I agree with on every topic. But we can converse on those differences because we are using the same baseline of reality. You have a dynamic baseline of reality.
Uh-huh, and all liberals all agree always. Funny how everybody way, way over there looks the same, without any distinguishable facial characteristics or anything, but everyone up close looks different.

Do you even hear yourself?
 
You wouldn't even be in the latter room to know. Nor I in the former. Whatever happens in the former room, they'd all be singing the same tune when they emerge. I'm sure that means "rallying for the common cause" to you, just like when you disavow our President's personal conduct before shrugging it off and saying you like his policies. I'm more inclined to calling it "kissing the ring," but I wish liberals did that as well, frankly. Y'all are very fond of pointing out how the Democratic Party is in shambles (I agree) and that the Left eat their own (I agree), yet somehow you can still push the idea that we're all on the same page like robots?
The Dem Party is in shambles not because of internal dissent; it’s because they uniformly support positions that are wildly unpopular with the American public such as trans in women’s sports and sanctuary cities.
 
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Uh-huh, and all liberals all agree always. Funny how everybody way, way over there looks the same, without any distinguishable facial characteristics or anything, but everyone up close looks different.

Do you even hear yourself?
Unfortunately and embarrassingly, I used to be a liberal in my 20s. I understand how it works.
 
The Dem Party is in shambles not because of internal dissent; it’s because they uniformly support positions that are wildly unpopular with the American public such as trans in women’s sports and sanctuary cities.
Not to mention, most of their ideologies went from “We just want acceptance” to “You better accept this or you’re the worst person on Earth”. People got tired of being accused of things they aren’t and the constant victimhood.
 
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He wasn't talking about the protests or the protesters. He was talking about the debate. He fully condemned the protesters. It just wasn't enough for you. And I got to say, for someone trying to convince the masses that they aren't a parrot of the left wing media. You're fully in on this one.
Roll the tape...

REPORTER: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.


I've added some bold, establishing that President Trump was indeed talking about the protests and protesters, not some amorphous debate. And establishing that the question he answered in the infamous quote was indeed a focus on neo-Nazis. As I have acknowledged, he did reject the label of "neo-Nazi," which does rebut and disprove the common misinterpretation of his quote, but then he goes on the say there were very fine people on both sides. The one side being the people who showed up armed with guns and tiki torches chanting "Jews will not replace us," made up of numerous alt-right hate groups and white nationalists, including someone who murdered a counterprotester. On the other side, you had people countering them. Our tough-talking cowboy of a President minced words when it was time to make a strong statement denouncing white nationalism.

Was this a "perfect press conference," like the "perfect call" to the Ga AG asking him to find 11k votes? If you think it was, you're a delusional yes man who has no business ever pointing at the Left when you have a plank in your own eye. If not, how about you stop defending it 100% and acknowledge where he screwed up.
 
Unfortunately and embarrassingly, I used to be a liberal in my 20s. I understand how it works.
We're all way dumber in our 20s. You think those people who remained liberals just stopped developing? Continued maturity and learning only occurs for you and other ex-liberals? You're demonstrating equally one-dimensional assessments now in your mid 30s.
 
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