Meh, this is just typical media fodder these days. Has nothing to do with kids playing the game. Once the ball gets jumped up, everything else goes away and you can enjoy watching Duke basketball again.
Kyle filipowski
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The coaching staff dealt with a lot last season. Not Just Flip.
My dad said the worst part of coaching is dealing with parents. I think NIL made it far worse.
All of the coaching legends are just about out of college basketball. And I believe the younger ones (like Hurley) will always have one eye on the NBA. I couldn’t imagine having to recruit your own players every offseason.
Yup. And is only going to get worse. And you are seeing so much of it even at lower levels and with kids who will probably never play an inning, quarter, etc of collegiate sports. I wonder sometimes how many of the kids will quit before they can realize the benefits of their skills because of micro managing parents.
And big brothers apparently.
I remember when I was coaching youth baseball. Rec league, nothing travel-ball level or anything like that. The league was redrafted every two years after try-outs. Those coaches who had some integrity would warn fellow coaches that a player he may have coached earlier "comes with a dad." That was rec-league baseball. None of these kids had a realistic baseball stage bigger than high school.
And for the record. moms could be just as bad as dads.
But this goes back a long way. If Art Heyman's step-father hadn't gotten into a furious argument with Frank McGuire, Duke basketball history might have been much different. Bill Foster used to get regular phone calls from Joe Gminski telling him how he was misusing his son.
I'm a parent and know that comes with lots of stuff. But this kind of estrangement just breaks my heart. I found Filipowski to be a bright, articulate, engaging interview. But sometimes he looked like he was carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders, even in the context of a program that expects to win every time it takes the floor.
I guess we know why.
Let’s blame Duke becuase my son won’t talk to us and is marrying a 27 year old….They tripping😂 just like Kyle😉
Jim well-stated. I coached hoops to 11-12 year olds many moons ago. I will never forget the nite a technical foul was called on our team. Not on me. A high strung dad in the bleachers of one of my players was whistled for it. Plenty of meddling parents too. Insisted on being at courtside during practing,and offering advice. I understood Norman Dale (Gene Hackman)in "Hoosiers." "Practice is closed to outsiders."
As for Flip,I hope everything works out. Its so ironic however he ended up in Utah. "Twilight Zone" stuff considering her devout Mormon faith and "grooming."
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Utah is a beautiful state. But a strange state. Nearly half the population are Mormon, and the church wields a lot of power there. I am a big seperation of church and state guy, so I am not down with that.
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A number of years ago, I spent 2 weeks in Ogden Utah, visiting Salt Lake City while I was there. My impression was that the people were friendly and it was a beautiful and clean state (the part I saw). Sure you are aware that most people are religious and of course at the LDS center they try to convert you, but otherwise I had a good impression.
My dad had a friend from Queens who went there for work. Large Italian guy, very nice, Catholic. Did not have a good experience there and moved away. But thats just one story. Like My Cousin Vinny ha.
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I have family members that are Mormon and stay in Utah . The fact Flip has not addressed this says a lot to me that he simply wants his privacy .
All belong to the LDS and none have tried to convert me or bring up religion at family reunions, although that simply might be because of my beliefs ( I’m Catholic ) . I don’t get on them about their own .
All belong to the LDS and none have tried to convert me or bring up religion at family reunions, although that simply might be because of my beliefs ( I’m Catholic ) . I don’t get on them about their own .
I get annoyed with people who solicit door to door. My complex clearly has no solicitation signs posted but people do it anyway. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christians. I saw a guy taping a guys picture to my neighbor's door. I said to him "hey man please don't tape anything to my door." The guy said it's an offender in the area and I said "I don't care what it is. I told you to not tape that to my door." He handed the picture to me.
Back on topic I think Utah got a steal with Flip. I don't think he will be an all star but should have a solid career.
Back on topic I think Utah got a steal with Flip. I don't think he will be an all star but should have a solid career.
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I agree with you on both fronts Chris . I do think with Utah being younger he has a better chance of seeing the court .
I was hearing about this all season. Flip would only attend team functions if girlfriends were allowed. He put up a wall between him, the girlfriend and the team/family. I could be wrong, but the first instance of this relationship on social media was a day or so after he declared for the draft in an engagement photo.
I remember hearing rumors of Flip being a locker room problem.Not saying he was, but there was talk. We will never know if it affected the team.
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At times he seemed so detached,and seemed to let bad calls linger in his head.
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It’s a lot on a teenager. Knowing your going to the draft , your the star player on a premier basketball team and are having family problems. Hopefully all will turn out well for him .
I watched Flip last night play with Kessler. He definitely needed another BIG along side him to be effective.
Hearing Flip is really struggling in summer league so far. He might want to get his act together, as there is no guaranteed contract. Crazy question, but would he have benefitted from staying? NIL, and he would have not have been double teamed with Cooper on the floor. We probably don't get Brown; but we'd be loaded. I suppose given the off the court stuff it was for the best.
It was time for Flip to go.
Flip needs to break things off with his fiancé because she is going to end up costing him a lot of headaches and heartaches both emotionally and financially.
Agree,but tragically I think its too late. Flip appears totally under her spell.
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Not that it matters, but she looks cross eyed in the pics.
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I've watched parts of the Jazz 3 g-league games and man does Flip look bad. Guess there was a reason he went into the second round. Hopefully he gets it together but he's not looking good so far.
His game got exposed last season.
I think hes bothered by the avalanche of social media created by his unique relationship with his girlfriend. Its like hes in a trance from all the brainwashing. Hope he gets it together.
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Flip definitely has talent, but was kind of unpolished offensively and slow defensively. He could get away with that in college. With his game he needs to be able to hit that 3 to be an effective NBA 4. He still could, but the second round slip probably puts more pressure on him. Still rooting for the kid, it may click for him soon. Maybe he could get a 2 way and refine his game in the G league. It's great that he came back, but you run the risk of exposing your weaknesses. The scouts mentioned he shot very poorly in workouts, so the scouts were probably more concerned about the pressure Flip was under due to the girlfriend story than the girlfriend herself. Wingspan seems to be important in NBA bigs and Flip measured poorly.
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You can make every excuse in the book but bottom line he is not NBA player at the moment. Most NBA players have one strength in their game and he does not. He is young and if he puts the work in he could get there. A consistent outside shot would be a start.
True, but the mental side of the game matters. Grayson was able to put it behind him in the NBA; we will see if Flip can.
Grayson plays with an attitude problem. He's motivated. Flip didn't flip that switch last year. Flip didn't have a position either. The weightroom, rebounding and hitting the outside shot needs to be his focus.
I think the key for Kyle is to get the right coaching to get him motivated to be good. The potential is there and players at his size takes more time .
If what is being rumored about Flip is true, he will never reach his potential unless he gets his personal life in order.
Flip needs to develop a jump hook with each hand. That double clutching nonsense won't work in the NBA.
