Are there any potential transfers?
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Btw DT shot 39% (averaged 7.1 ppg) from the field last year. Great percentage? Nope, but I figured he'd be in the teens with the way some are bashing him here....
Crank, it's amazing how you hover behind me at home and see what games I watch on Tv, neat trick. Seriously, no matter how many times you keep saying that i've only seen Frank in a mixtape, you're stupid and wrong.
So what is is based on? You get out to see him live? I'm seriously curious.
Stupid and wrong? Is that like when you said I'm tough because I edited a post due to my iPhone?
Ok you can't answer a serious question. I'll move on. Great basis to back up your bold prediction. I salute you.
DT made plenty of amazing plays, but he hasn't yet gotten consistent at the mundane stuff that leads to easy points. If he feels that he can show off his slashing and chucking ability (which are great by the way) better at a place that does more ISO offense, then so be it. My question then is, why did you come to Duke knowing K doesn't really use guys like that unless they are significantly better options than spreading it around or feeding the post, a la Jabari and Rivers? Did DT really think he was a better scoring threat than Brandon or Grayson?
I think this boils down to not liking taking a back seat to Luke in the shots category (335 fga for Luke to 241 for DT, despite the same playing time). Here's the thing: Luke shot a better %tage from the field and much better from the free throw line. He also got twice the rebounds and had a better assist to turnover ratio.
An honest piece of advice for any young player: let your performances and attitude in practice dictate how you are used. Not the other way around.
Another nugget: the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
We love you Derryck. Stay in Durham and help us build. You'll thank yourself the way Quinn did.
Frank doesn't play good competition? He dropped 49 against Kobi Simmons (Top 5 PG) in the Hoophall classic. Isn't Crank the one who also said we have NO chance to get Bolden too??
Did you happen to skip where I said "during the season"? Guess so. Frank is a stud (again have been saying that since day 1 - guess you missed it yet again) but he's not a collegiate PG from day 1, so the same people bashing DT could end up doing the same to FJ.
Bolden? Yes, I said he's going to UK, along with 70% + of this board and RR, up until yesterday.
Considering how big this rumor was across multiple sites yesterday, there sure hasn't been any buzz at all anywhere more formal.
THIS. I was just looking at the season stats too. I was actually amazed at how many opportunities he got. When comparing his stats to other players, you can see why K wanted him to pass more. That's not bashing the kid at all. He did do some great things during the season. I think it's fair to compare his overall stats to those of players he may be suggesting didn't deserve as many looks as him.
A LOT of us were really down on Chase. I mean, he has a lot of growing to do, BUT his stats compared to Derryk's sort of raise my eyebrow. Look at them.
As much as we were on Chase, his stats weren't THAT far off of Derryk's IF he had played the same amount of time. Now I know they play different positions, but I'm just explaining that Derryk does deserve some of the criticism. Derryk has a lot to work on and I'm sure it will come to him as he grows. He needs to work on his shooting during the summer. I'd love to see him get to the .425% range in shooting and the .800 range for fts. The criticism is warranted, as long as it isn't in a mean and slandering way. Constructive criticism is a good thing.
Yes sir I'm very satisfied with bashing a kid...
Come on man..I feel didn't bring anything to the table that helped us win in any way and I feel like we have several better options than him at the 1 next season. Sorry I don't want a mediocre pg that thinks he's Tyus jones or Jason Williams running a high powered offenseWell crank I tend to skip most of your posts because I almost always disagree with the things you come up with. He's being recruited by K to play pg and that IS what he'll play. So you can cry about it some more or root for the kid to do well at the position!
I'm a bit upset at some who are so quick to show this kid the door. If it really is moving toward an unhappy split, then I say get it done and over with now. Otherwise, this is a kid that came here early and wear's our uniform. How about we support his potential growth rather than slate him for the mistakes he made. Mistakes are part of the learning process. All of the greats have made them.
I hope he stays and becomes a great player at Duke.
I hope he stays and becomes a great player at Duke.
I like Duke next year, even if we end up only with what we have now, I like Duke next year.
Or he's going to be better because he's bigger, stronger, just as good of handles, probably just as quick, much better shot, great D, and much more of a "will to win" determination in his game. Frank could be a steve francis, westbrook type of PG. He's not your old fashioned PG for sure and I wish duke had that but we don't with or without DT on the roster.
Speaking of Chase, I maintain that he is going to be a monster for us the next 3 years. He had a great attitude all season even when he was glued to the bench. He has good footwork and a decent feel for the game, he just lacked confidence. But I think part of his lack of confidence was the short bench. I remember one time early this year he was on the floor at the same time as Obi and he looked like a totally different player, presumably because he knew he wasn't the lowest guy on the totem pole. You could literally see a difference in his aura. It's all mental.
If anyone should be transferring its Chase. He was a Top 10 recruit who never saw the floor despite playing the biggest position of need. Now he potentially has his spot taken by the next one-and-done talent. But Chase is going to work his butt off all summer and get better and earn his playing time. He will be a captain his senior year and one of the best in the country by then. Mark it down.
Hopefully Derryck learns from Chase and stays put. Would love to have a team with seniors Chase, Derryck, and Luke.
If anyone should be transferring its Chase. He was a Top 10 recruit who never saw the floor despite playing the biggest position of need. Now he potentially has his spot taken by the next one-and-done talent. But Chase is going to work his butt off all summer and get better and earn his playing time. He will be a captain his senior year and one of the best in the country by then. Mark it down.
Hopefully Derryck learns from Chase and stays put. Would love to have a team with seniors Chase, Derryck, and Luke.
Agreed, he's a special kid, but I'll table some of those (he's not as good of a defender right now, for example). DT doesn't have much of a will to win? Man, didn't realize so many disliked the kid so much. That sucks.
I'm in no way "in the know" but I would guess the big allure to stay for Chase would be to grit out next year, practice against some of the best players, and count on being a force his junior year when the mass exodus + amile graduating happens. I guess it depends on how patient he wants to be.
I was always under the impression that Frank would come right in and take Thorton's spot even if Thorton is there next year. They are the same age, granted Thorton has been here for a year already, but Frank has better size, strength, athleticism, stroke, and scoring ability than DT as of today. Sucks if he leaves, but I think we've got something special with Frank the tank
DT is a Pg and a Pg only, he was asked to be a PG at duke this year and didn't do a very good job.
Grayson is a shooting guard, and got asked to do some combo guard duties this year and had a huge year because something crazy wasn't asked of him to do
Frank is a combo guard, he's going to be asked to be a combo guard, and if DT Stays he'll do some shooting guard as well. He is a stud as a combo guard and will be good at that. Frank will not be asked to be a true PG.
Grayson and Frank could run the point similar to scheyer, DT can not do that because he's too small, not a smart enough player, and not good enough of a shooter. IF you are 6 foot and can't shoot, the only chance you have is a true old fashioned PG. What I'm saying is for DT to be effective (since he doesn't have a good shot), he needs to break down other teams defenses and get easy baskets and wide open looks for others while finishing at the hoop. He was not effective at that this year.
DT's ceiling with a full off-season of work and maturation could be very high. I am definitely not the kind to want to move on to the next thing just because it is shiny and new. I know beyond any doubt that Duke will be really good next year no matter what, but I want that to be with DT in the fold.
He played scared this year offensively, he wasn't the only one. There's a reason end of games were a train wreck when winning and the ball was in DT's hands. Look at GT, played his best game of the season except for the last 2 minutes. We all hoped that would jump start his season through ACC and post season, instead he struggled big time the last 14 games. He's 6 foot, he needs to either 1 be able to light it up or 2 be a true set up or run/command the team type PG. He was neither, and didn't show too many signs of becoming it. I hope he stays and improves big time. But even if he does, I think Frank is better, but I still want DT on the team to play 15-20 minutes of great D, break down defenses, and continue to grow in case frank is a 1 and done or more likely gone in 2.
Look, I had high hopes of his because (didn't see any of his games live) of some reviews, his tapes, etc. From watching his tapes I knew he had a long ways to go with his shot and he would never be a marksman from deep, but I thought he would slash teams apart, create easy baskets for others, and teams wouldn't be able to press Duke. Not even close to the case.
I wasn't. I'm still not. I'm a Duke fan.
I do think people are being a bit harsh on Derryk. Look at his stats this year compared to Quinn's freshman year.
Look at the similarities. Quinn's 3pt% was terrible. I just wanted to post this to clarify I in no way think Derryk is terrible. He is young and a freshman. I hope Quinn and Nolan can talk some sense into him. I see his arc being similar to Quinn's honestly.
Look at the similarities. Quinn's 3pt% was terrible. I just wanted to post this to clarify I in no way think Derryk is terrible. He is young and a freshman. I hope Quinn and Nolan can talk some sense into him. I see his arc being similar to Quinn's honestly.
I still think people are being a bit harsh with DT's play this past season. While he certainly didn't garner an 'A' in my book, is he really much lower than a B-/C+? I don't think so.
Listen, we know some of Derryck's deficiencies. His shot is not great and a complete overhaul isn't likely going to happen. Demarcus Nelson, Sean Dockery, Gerald Henderson and more had mechanical issues and turned themselves into adequate shooters by their junior seasons. It takes work....but just because someone has bad mechanics it doesn't mean they're a terrible shooter for life. Far from it.
I think the frustration from Derryck, for me at least, was his inability to evolve as the season went on. He's not Tyus Jones and at no point was he ever destined to be. That's not to say he doesn't have it him to be really good, though. He doesn't have bad handles (although I think he would need to tighten up his handle some), he's an above-average on-ball defender and he seems to understand the game. He was also afforded an opportunity most freshman simply don't get at Duke as a true freshman.
I'm not sure what comes of this, but it sounds as though a decision has already been made by his camp. If that's the case I'll wish him well. He can be a really good player next season on a championship-caliber team, but if he doesn't want to be at Duke, doesn't fit in with his teammates, or feels he's better served being someplace else then I think it's the right move for him. He won't be easy to replace, but he's also hardly irreplaceable.
JMO.
Listen, we know some of Derryck's deficiencies. His shot is not great and a complete overhaul isn't likely going to happen. Demarcus Nelson, Sean Dockery, Gerald Henderson and more had mechanical issues and turned themselves into adequate shooters by their junior seasons. It takes work....but just because someone has bad mechanics it doesn't mean they're a terrible shooter for life. Far from it.
I think the frustration from Derryck, for me at least, was his inability to evolve as the season went on. He's not Tyus Jones and at no point was he ever destined to be. That's not to say he doesn't have it him to be really good, though. He doesn't have bad handles (although I think he would need to tighten up his handle some), he's an above-average on-ball defender and he seems to understand the game. He was also afforded an opportunity most freshman simply don't get at Duke as a true freshman.
I'm not sure what comes of this, but it sounds as though a decision has already been made by his camp. If that's the case I'll wish him well. He can be a really good player next season on a championship-caliber team, but if he doesn't want to be at Duke, doesn't fit in with his teammates, or feels he's better served being someplace else then I think it's the right move for him. He won't be easy to replace, but he's also hardly irreplaceable.
JMO.
I hope DT stays. I really like his talent, and think he's got a great chance to be the starting PG for a national title team next year. Really have a hard time comprehending how transferring (and sitting out a year) would somehow get him any closer to his ultimate individuals goals. Just doesn't make any sense. With that said, while DT certainly had games and moments where he showed flashes, it's preposterous for anyone to think he should have had Tyus Jones's role on this year's team. Good talent. Arguably better longterm NBA prospect than Tyus. But, at this stage, nowhere near the shooter, overall playmaker, decisionmaker, etc. Part of that is pure physical strength. Part of that is that DT has the emotional maturity and basketball IQ of a freshman PG; whereas Tyus played like an upperclassman on day 1.
Notwithstanding all the apparent smoke, I would still be a bit surprised if DT transfers. That would be a pretty radical and counterproductive move for a guy who has a great chance to start next year and will, at a minimum, be an important player on the team. This is not even like Elliot Williams, who not only played a lot less, but had an avenue for securing immediate eligibility. DT would be turning down 25+ minutes a night starting at Duke as a soph. for sitting on another team's bench until he's a jr. That seems crazy to me. Hopefully the two sides can work things out. A transfer really doesn't make any sense from either side's perspective.
Notwithstanding all the apparent smoke, I would still be a bit surprised if DT transfers. That would be a pretty radical and counterproductive move for a guy who has a great chance to start next year and will, at a minimum, be an important player on the team. This is not even like Elliot Williams, who not only played a lot less, but had an avenue for securing immediate eligibility. DT would be turning down 25+ minutes a night starting at Duke as a soph. for sitting on another team's bench until he's a jr. That seems crazy to me. Hopefully the two sides can work things out. A transfer really doesn't make any sense from either side's perspective.
For a true freshman guard at 175 lbs., DT gets a solid B+ on my grading scale. If you want to argue he didn't live up to his recruiting ranking, consider the fact that he had no part in assigning that ranking AND it was a weaker than average class. Folks can be annoyed by his play, but isn't that pretty typical for a freshman who is asked to play right away?
He's 6'2. Guys that height simply don't get drafted as frosh very often. This year, you have second round possibles: Demetrius Jackson and Gary Payton II, but both are 190+, then maybe Tyler Ulis as a soph. Derryck is in fine position to get noticed at Duke. I hope he realizes that.
Luke may physically peak in the next few years, like Dellavadova. Chase and Derryck will likely do so at 25 years old. That's part of why Derryck and Chase were rated higher than Luke, despite last seasons performances.
He's 6'2. Guys that height simply don't get drafted as frosh very often. This year, you have second round possibles: Demetrius Jackson and Gary Payton II, but both are 190+, then maybe Tyler Ulis as a soph. Derryck is in fine position to get noticed at Duke. I hope he realizes that.
Luke may physically peak in the next few years, like Dellavadova. Chase and Derryck will likely do so at 25 years old. That's part of why Derryck and Chase were rated higher than Luke, despite last seasons performances.
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Well, I don't mind saying, this really upsets me, I was hoping that this situation wouldn't happen. I really like Thornton, and even though he drove me crazy at times, so did some of the other players! I hope this is not just his father's decision, because if Derryck wants to stay, it would be a tragedy for him to transfer. I still feel that he has a high ceiling for improvement, and I would love to see him give it one (1) more year. I have no doubt that he and Chase will make big strides over the summer.
Too much pressure on the young man and the ghost of Tyus Jones(?). Man, I hope Nolan and or Quinn talk to him, if it's not too late. C'mon Dad, give Coach K and Staff one more chance!
Go Duke!!
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Too much pressure on the young man and the ghost of Tyus Jones(?). Man, I hope Nolan and or Quinn talk to him, if it's not too late. C'mon Dad, give Coach K and Staff one more chance!
Go Duke!!
JC-OFC
I am simply rooting for a decision to be made one way or another in a timely manner...The last thing Duke or DT needs is this to be played out in the media or to have DT one foot in one foot out this spring and summer.....Duke needs a PG who is committed to the team and DT needs to be committed to his own personal progress....I hope we hear a decision soon.
Coming in behind Tyus jones was sure to distort some views in my opinion
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