This was from 2015. The thread is littered with defensive problems, etc. This was after the Notre Dame loss in the ACC semis. We went on to win the Natty. Just sayin...
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So he's lost 5 straight ACC road games, over 2 seasons mind you. But in the mean time won an ACCT title, preseason tournament, and other multiple big games. Yeah let's move on.
Btw, the Bowden and Paterno examples don't quite fit. Thos guys fell off in every way, including recruiting. K seems to be hipper now than he was in the kids eyes. But it can be his fault I suppose. He's not as demanding, especially defensively, but I see that him adjusting to these millennials.
IDK if any of you coach youngsters, but come to my school and start old school coaching them...you will get nowhere.
Regardless of the terrible defense, we would still be undefeated if we went inside more. It's true.
When the games get tight, Bagley and Carter need the ball inside every possesion. No Grayson horrible long jumpshots, no Gary jumpers, and definitely no Duval 3's. EVERY POSSESION we need to go inside.
The only ways BC and NC State could stop us was by bricking jumpers.
It’s not coaching “old school” per say....it’s having standards defensively as a collective...Duke hasn’t had that standard for a very very long time...Until K starts holding players accountable....benching starters...and putting in some guys who will play heart,hustle,and some defensive discipline...
This may mean the best players talent wise sit for a bit...it may mean some losses..it could mean a lot of things...but defensively the Duke program has no standard other than lip service...and K doesn’t do them any good with all his excuses....we are to young....we haven’t practiced enough....we haven’t played enough...we are not deep enough....blah blah blah...K is the problem....he full of to many excuses for the poor showings....
Gotcha. But we can both agree that those two teams were Tourney teams and had talent. Not the two we have loses to this season. I will say state executed their game plan and played to their strength. It’s time for a wake up call.They were games 3 & 4 to be precise.
ND made the elite 8This was from 2015. The thread is littered with defensive problems, etc. This was after the Notre Dame loss in the ACC semis. We went on to win the Natty. Just sayin..
I think it’s because when this team gets into its “ must score mode” the team and game strategy becomes more one on one ball. Not to mention both Carter and Bagley were getting called for travels and your right. Abu And Yets. Should have fouled out way earlier had we kept throwing the ball in the post.I know some don't like people cricizing Grayson, and he wasn't the only problem, but about halfway through the second half I actually kind of forgot that Grayson was playing last night. He was totally invisible. And I totally agree with jwill. I have no idea why they stop going inside to our two beasts. They have proven to be pretty much unstoppable.
Amen! I'm not buying the preseason bragging about how deep our team will be until we are playing more than 7 players a few games into conference play. Sick of the "we're not deep excuse"...
We got Bagley, we know what they will do. Stand around and watch him do his thing. The other four starters do.Time to start Jordan Robinson, Jordan Goldmire, Jordan Davidson, Miguel Buckwire, and Steve Avery! We don't know what they can do unless we see them do it! Duh!
Maybe if we gave more game balls to Carter and Grayson and Vrank they'd feel better and play better, but noooooooo. Everyone wants to give it to Bagley every time just b/c he is the best play in every game. Look at how Luke May plays: Maybe Jordan Tucker would have saved us yesterday, but he never got the chance! Duh!We got Bagley, we know what they will do. Stand around and watch him do his thing. The other four starters do.
I might be in the minority but how is it the States, Virginia’s and all the other blue bloods get their three and four stars to play hard and get minutes to help their starters out. Even Kentucky. Duke will turn it around I’m sure but K’s comments are alarming.
In crunch time, the offense should run through the post EVERY SINGLE POSSESION. Very similar to 2015 actually, except this years team has 2 horses rather than just 1.I understand that Carter and Bagley can't take every shot but the offense should run through the post.
I think the problem is teaching Freshman to play defense at the level needed to be a Championship team isn't impossible but very very hard. You may get that magic in a blue moon but nine times out of ten you'll end up disappointed regardless of the recruiting rankings. Defense can't be taught by anyone in a few months time.
Defense is about heart and effort. Let's also be real here. It's also about accountability. It's time for K to hold all of them accountable. None of the starters, and I mean none, are playing good d. Virginia plays lock down d, and yes they don't get one and done kids, so he has veterans. But each one of those kids know defense is demanded of them by Bennett. They get after it, and I'm sure they know if they don't bring it, they won't play. This season isn't lost, but it's on K to turn this around. Three games into conference and teams are scoring about 92 a game. Isn't defense what K used to build teams off of? Other than one weekend last season and 6 games in 2015, we haven't been good defensively in quite a while.Defense is 90% effort, you have to WANT to defend and not be afraid of messing up or getting scored on. Until we put forth effort to defend, every game will be a race to 100. These kids have never had to play defense in their lives.
This is good stuff. And honestly, it makes sense, it's tough to get high quality backups when we are supposed to have the greatest starting five ever.The problem is bench isn’t littered with talent.
There is no one K can really bring off the bench to provide a spark if we struggling on offense or especially on the defense end.
- Alex O physically is a year or two away from being a real contributor at a high D 1 level.
- Javin is more of a raw athlete learning how to play basketball. Travels a lot on offense, not a great offensive rebounder and can’t dribble or shot. He also fouls every 15 to 30 seconds on defense. He fouled out playing 15 minutes yesterday. He can’t guard along the perimeter on defense or guard quicker or faster players.
- Bolden plays well and can score but more of a old school Big that is a back to basket bjg with some post moves. He can alter shots on defense but not a great rebounder.
- Vrank is slow footed and is terrible on defense. He was a low three star recruit almost like a walk-on.
- Jack White was a low three star recruit that isn’t great defensively. Can hit an outside shot but not a high ACC or high D1 caliber player.
- Goldwire was a low three star player that was going to play for Eastern Kentucky. In a few years maybe a decent backup point guard with more of a focus on the defensive end. Right now he is too skinny to be a great contributor.
The problem is bench isn’t littered with talent.
There is no one K can really bring off the bench to provide a spark if we struggling on offense or especially on the defense end.
- Alex O physically is a year or two away from being a real contributor at a high D 1 level.
- Javin is more of a raw athlete learning how to play basketball. Travels a lot on offense, not a great offensive rebounder and can’t dribble or shot. He also fouls every 15 to 30 seconds on defense. He fouled out playing 15 minutes yesterday. He can’t guard along the perimeter on defense or guard quicker or faster players.
- Bolden plays well and can score but more of a old school Big that is a back to basket bjg with some post moves. He can alter shots on defense but not a great rebounder.
- Vrank is slow footed and is terrible on defense. He was a low three star recruit almost like a walk-on.
- Jack White was a low three star recruit that isn’t great defensively. Can hit an outside shot but not a high ACC or high D1 caliber player.
- Goldwire was a low three star player that was going to play for Eastern Kentucky. In a few years maybe a decent backup point guard with more of a focus on the defensive end. Right now he is too skinny to be a great contributor.
Exactly. K has talent. He's just so hung up with the elite talent. I love how he can talk out of both sides of his mouth and get away with it too. That's better than good fellas. I realize he's the best, but this kind of talk is better than a politician. One minute he says we haven't practiced enough, then it's we're not deep, and now it's we haven't played enough. If Ol Roy said these things, we would make so much fun of him. Then he talks about O'Connell looking bad, yet Allen (who I love) was awful, as was Trent. They played a combined 77 minutes, yet you summed up O'Connell in 2 minutes? How many turnovers did Duval have? What's the worse thing that could happen if Goldwire played, he has a bad turnover, or not stop someone? Wait, that's no different than what Duval does half the time. Worse than that is we have people who buy about everything that comes out of K's mouth.However - HE...coach K put those players on the bench....recruited them, offered them scholarships...its not like they are walk ons....so who's responsibility is it that the bench is low on talent? ( i disagree btw..they have talent or they wouldnt be at Duke)
Duke is bigger than coach K for those who don't want to criticize
You're right Pisgah. But at the same time K is bigger than a bunch of armchair coaches on a message board. There is sooooo much none of us know about. Not just drama stuff either, just the bare basics of having a team go through a season. Small stuff that shouldn't matter can play a high role in these things. I mean look at all the craziness that happened just yesterday...A&M losing at home vs LSU, Mizzous terrible turnover, UNC getting beat down. It's college basketball...things will happen. It just irks us because it happens less.tk Duke and K than many other teams.
And come in with the blowing Bennett up like he's the greatest. Yeah they play D. But they also struggle to score most games. And the Hoos have never done too hot in the NCAAT. If he were Dukes ciach we'd be asking for him to be fired 2 years ago.
To be blunt, the game has passed by K. I know that is taboo to say especially as a Duke fan but it's the truth. 2015 was just an outlier. That team just had special talent, like you said it had the amazing leadership of Cook, Tyus unbelievably smart and mature, Justise was a flat out beast defensively and Okafor couldn't be stopped. That wasn't a year where K coached really well, he just had a ton of talent that fit perfectly. That year's defense really turned around once Justise got over his rib injury and he was a complete force on that end.
The Rivers team, the Jabari/Hood team and last year's team were just horrific coaching. Ingram's team did what they were basically expected to do once Amile went out for the year. So he had 3 teams filled with a ton of talent and he just dropped the ball with them.
This year's team is his most talented and it looks like he hasn't coached them yet. There is no offensive system, they just score a lot because of how talented they are. How the hell do you not run PnR with Duval and Bagley all game long? Duval was by far the best PnR PG in this class and we rarely run the PnR, I mean very rarely. Defensively he wants to coach this super aggressive half court defense. That worked when you didn't have 4-5 guys out on the floor that could shoot the 3. But now when you do that, the floor is super spaced out. He literally wants a guy like Carter to guard his man 25 feet out and be in his jersey even when he is just chilling out there without the ball. It just leaves so much space and makes it way too hard for guys to rotate. I think the guys are so focused on guarding their man, they're always hesitant to help and rotate which then leads to them getting picked apart.
We wasted a supreme talent like Jabari and now wasting an all time great talent in Bagley. What Bagley is doing on a game by game basis is pretty ridiculous. Yet it's going to waste.