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I definitely think it was reactionary. And like I said yesterday, it is only delaying the max pain that the country is going to feel. It's inevitable, so if it is going to be policy to carry tariffs on all nations at whatever negotiated rate it ends up being, we were better off negotiating with the current policy in place and let the chaos in the market settle organically. You're right that the actions are causing confusion and uncertainty. Two things investors don't like. You mentioned the 10yr yield earlier. That is way out of my wheelhouse. So I don't know what to say to that. But I do hope we get our shit together sooner than later. But it's going to take a while. The last significant trade deal took 2 years almost.
Yeah—it feels like we’re just delaying the inevitable if this is the chosen path. On the bond side, the 10-year yield spiking matters because it makes borrowing more expensive for everyone: government, businesses, and regular people. That kind of move usually means investors are nervous—and this time, it wasn’t just domestic. Countries like Japan and China have reportedly been selling off U.S. bonds, which only adds fuel to the fire.

At the same time, Republicans are about to start pushing a tax cut package, which would likely add to the deficit and require even more borrowing. So you’ve got the government needing more money, foreign investors backing away, and rising yields making debt more expensive. That’s a tough combo for the economy to swallow.

Honestly, I think they’re going to end up scrapping this entirely. The market reaction hit harder than they expected, and now they’re looking for a way out. You can already see it in the messaging—it’s shifting fast, like they’re trying to spin the pause as part of the plan. I don’t know the exact timeline, but at this point, I’m not seeing many options for them going forward.
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You blame the Left for President Trump. Do you blame the Right for President Biden?
Two totally different situations, and you should know it. So either you’re being crafty, or extremely dense. Hard to tell on a message board. You are able to pull off both.

The right would NEVER have been able to pull off what the left did with Biden for 1 day, much less 4 years. FACT.

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If you're not taking responsible for President Biden why should I accept responsibility for President Trump? One begat the other begat the other. Politics is almost always like that. President Trump's extremism will result in a swing in some other direction eventually.
I believe it was the last administration's extremism that resulted in the current swing. And despite the coverage and the doom and gloom, it isn't changing any time soon. Did you have fun at the "hands off" protests?

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When major economic decisions shift within hours of a market shakeup, it’s fair to ask what’s really driving that action. For me, this isn’t about loyalty or blame—it’s about whether there’s a steady plan or if we’re just reacting under pressure. That kind of unpredictability carries weight.

I said earlier that I believe there’s a way to use tariffs strategically—especially against countries that game the system or refuse to compete fairly. But that’s not what happened here. This rollout went well beyond what was pitched during the campaign. It wasn’t measured, it wasn’t phased—it was abrupt, and the markets responded accordingly.

And for context—in my day job, I write public policy, build implementation schedules, design communication strategies, and carry those policies through execution. So when I say this felt rushed and disconnected from a broader plan, it’s not coming from a place of partisanship. This is has the potential to hurt a lot of people.
I definitely think it was reactionary. And like I said yesterday, it is only delaying the max pain that the country is going to feel. It's inevitable, so if it is going to be policy to carry tariffs on all nations at whatever negotiated rate it ends up being, we were better off negotiating with the current policy in place and let the chaos in the market settle organically. You're right that the actions are causing confusion and uncertainty. Two things investors don't like. You mentioned the 10yr yield earlier. That is way out of my wheelhouse. So I don't know what to say to that. But I do hope we get our shit together sooner than later. But it's going to take a while. The last significant trade deal took 2 years almost.
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We spent 4 years asking the questions that at least one book is now being written about. Which was Biden's incompetence. Deny all you want, but we see the value of your opinion. You spin better than a washing machine.

You asking me if I'm taking responsibility for Biden being elected? See comment above regarding washing machine.

I've met some cunning people, but you are up there at the top, you crafty little rascal.
If you're not taking responsible for President Biden why should I accept responsibility for President Trump? One begat the other begat the other. Politics is almost always like that. President Trump's extremism will result in a swing in some other direction eventually.

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Trump is basically doing what he said he would do before he was elected. This is also more complex than what a bunch of message board posters can grasp. This is nothing like criticizing the coach of the team we've pulled for for decades. So many moving parts, and even so many elected people here fighting him.

For those that despise him? The media, the elites, Bush, Obama, Biden... they are why Trump is here.
When major economic decisions shift within hours of a market shakeup, it’s fair to ask what’s really driving that action. For me, this isn’t about loyalty or blame—it’s about whether there’s a steady plan or if we’re just reacting under pressure. That kind of unpredictability carries weight.

I said earlier that I believe there’s a way to use tariffs strategically—especially against countries that game the system or refuse to compete fairly. But that’s not what happened here. This rollout went well beyond what was pitched during the campaign. It wasn’t measured, it wasn’t phased—it was abrupt, and the markets responded accordingly.

And for context—in my day job, I write public policy, build implementation schedules, design communication strategies, and carry those policies through execution. So when I say this felt rushed and disconnected from a broader plan, it’s not coming from a place of partisanship. This is has the potential to hurt a lot of people.

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Here you go again. Weaseling out. Haha. You've been full of retarded posts lately. What I said is 100% true. Of course people voted for him. We sure as hell didn't need mail in ballots though. It was also more than just racist white people that voted for Trump. He would not have won had he not gotten the percentage of minority votes that he did.

You don't need a masters education to get it, just common sense. Think about it Einstein.

We spent 4 years asking the questions that at least one book is now being written about. Which was Biden's incompetence. Deny if you want to, but we see the value of your opinion. You spin better than a washing machine.

You asking me if I'm taking responsibility for Biden being elected? See comment above regarding washing machine.

I've met some cunning people, but you are up there at the top, you crafty little rascal.
Bottom line: If they’d had a viable candidate to run in 24 they’d have thrown Joe under the bus in a heartbeat.
Shapiro.. left wing not gonna go for a Jew as long as Israel’s alive and kicking.
Walz… nuttier than a fruitcake.
I thought Wittmer or Klibuchar would have been a better pick than Harris, but I guess their internal polling showed otherwise, or they were hell bent on the first woman president since their obsession with firsts can’t be underestimated. Buttigieg is the current leader in the clubhouse for 28 as a result of this groupthink.

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Okay. And conservatives spent 4 years hyperbolizing about how completely incompetent President Biden was.

Now you're aspiring to be what? One rung above that? "At least he's transparent and out in the public showing that he's doing things"? Like almost every President? Those "things" he's doing are what matter. If you're starting an assessment of a President with "At least," you're already rationalizing.
Are you taking responsibility for President Biden's being elected?
We spent 4 years asking the questions that at least one book is now being written about. Which was Biden's incompetence. Deny all you want, but we see the value of your opinion. You spin better than a washing machine.

You asking me if I'm taking responsibility for Biden being elected? See comment above regarding washing machine.

I've met some cunning people, but you are up there at the top, you crafty little rascal.
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