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GhostOf301 said:
There are many rabbit holes you can go down. You have a choice to believe or not believe. But I am leaning towards believing it based on the people who are outraged about it.

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Either way, USAID needs to be abolished. Our days of causing unrest in other countries by propping up opposition groups and interfering with foreign elections needs to end. And our funding of terrorism needs to be exposed. All through USAID
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I have consistently called him "our President" and "President Trump" since the very beginning of his first term. I saw the disgusting, racist "not our President" bile spewed by the right throughout President Obama's 2 terms and have not been a hypocrite about it by returning the favor -- as many on the left have -- with President Trump in office. So no, I didn't "come around" to a thing. You're too much of an intellectual coward to have noticed it before.

The stock market has fluctuated quite a bit around the latest tariff news. I think we pay entirely too much attention to the stock market, but I still know that stability is preferable.

If tariffs are as simple and awesome as you imply, why isn't every President and every powerful country using them all the time?

If you're the most powerful country on Earth, you shouldn't have to crow about it. There's a reason you're more likely to get bitten by a chihuahua than by a mastiff.
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The stock market always “fluctuates”. The uncertainty caused by Trump’s rhetoric is outweighed by the fear it put into our neighbors.
Didn’t imply that tariffs are always awesome, but that they are helpful as a negotiating tool and to protect domestic manufacturing.
Crowing about your nation’s strength and using it as leverage in negotiating are two vastly different things.
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GhostOf301 said:
The people who you have your trust in are outraged over USAID being exposed. I would expect your skepticism. I didn't present what I posted as direct evidence. I referred to it as a rabbit hole that you could choose to believe or not. And gave you my reason for choosing to believe it. So I don't know what point you are making with your second paragraph.
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Correction: The people I trust are outraged over USAID being attacked for political reasons. Whether USAID is being attacked or exposed has yet to be determined for me because the people I trust aren't trusted blindly. You can't even have this conversation without twisting language to your opinion. It's like you think the other side are comic book villains admitting out loud that they are evil.

I told you in the last sentence of that post what the point was: you are acting on faith, not logic.
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GhostOf301 said:
And how on earth do you think there is a slight possibility that there would be a bipartisan source for something like this when the left is in complete denial and will fight anything and everything that comes out against their interests? It's impossible not to be partisan. That's what makes it so easy for people to write it off.
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You're using my lines here, though the goal with media is nonpartisan, not bipartisan.

I agree that it is impossible to be completely neutral, but that doesn't excuse ethical journalists from trying, and integrity can more than make up for some bias. If you can read all the headlines at a site and determine with certainty what their bias is, it should be a red flag. If you can't confirm it through sites with less inflammatory language, that should also be a red flag.
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Dattier said:
Rand Paul is the only one of those I would pause to consider.

If I posted things Gov Walz or Sen Sanders or Warren Buffett said, would you accept that as legit evidence? I would think not. That means you're essentially taking this on faith, not logic.
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The people who you have your trust in are outraged over USAID being exposed. I would expect your skepticism. I didn't present what I posted as direct evidence. I referred to it as a rabbit hole that you could choose to believe or not. And gave you my reason for choosing to believe it. So I don't know what point you are making with your second paragraph.
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KDSTONE said:
It also scared the right people, which is why the Mexican and Canadian govt have folded like cheap tents. The U. S. is the most powerful country on Earth. And now we’re acting like it. No more apology tours, no bumbling around international summits like a blind, three legged cat.
Glad to see you’ve come around to calling him “our President” when your side has been calling him Hitler all this time.
Re: tariffs, they raise prices on imported goods, which shifts demand to domestic, which is the whole point. Funny how the Legacy media is all of a sudden fear mongering over potential rising prices after being silent for four year. Disgusting but not surprising
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I have consistently called him "our President" and "President Trump" since the very beginning of his first term. I saw the disgusting, racist "not our President" bile spewed by the right throughout President Obama's 2 terms and have not been a hypocrite about it by returning the favor -- as many on the left have -- with President Trump in office. So no, I didn't "come around" to a thing. You're too much of an intellectual coward to have noticed it before.

The stock market has fluctuated quite a bit around the latest tariff news. I think we pay entirely too much attention to the stock market, but I still know that stability is preferable.

If tariffs are as simple and awesome as you imply, why isn't every President and every powerful country using them all the time?

If you're the most powerful country on Earth, you shouldn't have to crow about it. There's a reason you're more likely to get bitten by a chihuahua than by a mastiff.
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GhostOf301 said:
There are many rabbit holes you can go down. You have a choice to believe or not believe. But I am leaning towards believing it based on the people who are outraged about it.

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Either way, USAID needs to be abolished. Our days of causing unrest in other countries by propping up opposition groups and interfering with foreign elections needs to end. And our funding of terrorism needs to be exposed. All through USAID.
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Rand Paul is the only one of those I would pause to consider.

If I posted things Gov Walz or Sen Sanders or Warren Buffett said, would you accept that as legit evidence? I would think not. That means you're essentially taking this on faith, not logic.
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Dattier said:
At this point, this looks like a huge win for our President.
The chaos of the process, however, is still not good. It scares people and creates uncertainty.
A win is a win, but there are always things to improve on.
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It also scared the right people, which is why the Mexican and Canadian govt have folded like cheap tents. The U. S. is the most powerful country on Earth. And now we’re acting like it. No more apology tours, no bumbling around international summits like a blind, three legged cat.
Glad to see you’ve come around to calling him “our President” when your side has been calling him Hitler all this time.
Re: tariffs, they raise prices on imported goods, which shifts demand to domestic, which is the whole point. Funny how the Legacy media is all of a sudden fear mongering over potential rising prices after being silent for four year. Disgusting but not surprising
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Dattier said:
@GhostOf301 If you are inclined to reply, and I hope you are, please don't waste your time and my time posting source material like the junk @smashmouth5 is posting. Good grief! You know I'm skeptical. I hope you know that I wouldn't ask if I wasn't going to at least listen. You also surely know that if you're posting from a site that is blatantly partisan, it's not going to convince me.
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Well, I already replied. You probably won't like it. And how on earth do you think there is a slight possibility that there would be a bipartisan source for something like this when the left is in complete denial and will fight anything and everything that comes out against their interests? It's impossible not to be partisan. That's what makes it so easy for people to write it off.
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smashmouth5 said:
Datt has issues with people touching his golden calves.
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I just said I have no deep knowledge of what USAID is or does. I also posted tentative kudos about the tariff bluffs.

If you're saying one of my golden calves is preferring that people post credible info rather than sensational partisan crap that benefits from further division, I'm unapologetically guilty of that.
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Dattier said:
On the bold, what are you basing that on? A friend of mine -- the spouse of a recently retired Army officer -- posted about this on social media from a very different perspective; she was pretty appalled and supportive of USAID. I had to look it up to remind me what USAID even was, so I have no deep knowledge of it. Thanks in advance.
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@GhostOf301 If you are inclined to reply, and I hope you are, please don't waste your time and my time posting source material like the junk @smashmouth5 is posting. Good grief! You know I'm skeptical. I hope you know that I wouldn't ask if I wasn't going to at least listen. You also surely know that if you're posting from a site that is blatantly partisan, it's not going to convince me.
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Dattier said:
On the bold, what are you basing that on? A friend of mine -- the spouse of a recently retired Army officer -- posted about this on social media from a very different perspective; she was pretty appalled and supportive of USAID. I had to look it up to remind me what USAID even was, so I have no deep knowledge of it. Thanks in advance.
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There are many rabbit holes you can go down. You have a choice to believe or not believe. But I am leaning towards believing it based on the people who are outraged about it.

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Either way, USAID needs to be abolished. Our days of causing unrest in other countries by propping up opposition groups and interfering with foreign elections needs to end. And our funding of terrorism needs to be exposed. All through USAID.
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USAID Pays the Terrorists Who Kill Us

It seems shocking that a government entity that has the word "aid" in its acronym would ever be accused of
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3 minutes apart! 🤣
Are you doing anything other than confirming your bias through tweets and headlines, then sharing automatically?
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smashmouth5 said:
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Burning the American flag also doesn't help.
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3 posts in 10 minutes. What did you do to vet any of the information shared in these tweets before posting them here?

I concede that there's a lot wrong with msm. Don't y'all accept that tweets can't possibly be the solution?
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GhostOf301 said:
I was willing to give Trump’s tariffs a couple of weeks before speaking against them. But turns out, they will never even go into effect. Mexico and Snow Mexico have both met preliminary agreements to address human and drug crossing at their respective borders with the U.S. and have agreed to negotiate other trade aspects.
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At this point, this looks like a huge win for our President.
The chaos of the process, however, is still not good. It scares people and creates uncertainty.
A win is a win, but there are always things to improve on.
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GhostOf301 said:
Trump and Elon must have full faith in their security details. They're now fvcking with the source of a lot of politicians' money flow by getting rid of one of their biggest money laundering operations in USAID.
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On the bold, what are you basing that on? A friend of mine -- the spouse of a recently retired Army officer -- posted about this on social media from a very different perspective; she was pretty appalled and supportive of USAID. I had to look it up to remind me what USAID even was, so I have no deep knowledge of it. Thanks in advance.
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