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Dattier said:
You can claim you said it all day. Your criticism of our President is always in the abstract, always while extending the longest leash in presidential history. None of y'all has had the first criticism of tariffs and how wrong they could go. Nothing beyond vague wariness, no actual analysis and criticism. None of y'all has any answer to the things Th0r is posting.
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None of y’all has had the first criticism of tariffs.
You normally spin, but rarely flat out lie, but this is one of those times.
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Th0r said:
I agree. The people with real money always find a way to benefit, while small investors and businesses deal with the fallout. The uncertainty alone makes it nearly impossible to plan.

I don’t necessarily have an issue with the 10% baseline tariff—there’s a case for it when used strategically. There’s a real policy debate to be had about the percentage of tariffs applied and how they’re implemented. And there’s also a difference between countries that take advantage of us through unfair trade practices and those we rely on for raw materials—treating them the same just creates more problems than it solves.

What we’re seeing now is chaos. The reciprocal tariffs are paused, the baseline stays, and China gets hit with a 125% tariff—something that’s going to land hardest on lower-income Americans who rely on affordable imports.

I’m glad the market bounced, but I’m also annoyed. The pressure’s still there for consumers, and we’ll be right back in the same spot potentially in 90 days. There’s a better way to do this—something measured, consistent, and focused on long-term benefit for the country.
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It will be interesting to see how Walmart adjusts since it seems to sell a high percentage of Chinese products
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Dattier
KDSTONE said:
I’ve actually agreed with a a lot of what Thor has posted today, but you tend to ignore that bc your stock in trade is animosity and grandstanding. Bait someone into attacking your post and then play victim the rest of the day.
Stocks had a predictably chaotic reaction to the tariffs but a necessary trading reset was long overdue. Two months in, it seems premature to write off his entire agenda.
It’s become clear that anything short of Trump sucks or ‘Voting for him was the biggest mistake of my life’ Will not be enough for you.
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He also embarrassed y'all on the subject of Israel and Palestine.

KDSTONE said:
He’s lashing out bc I ignored his post Friday. This is what they call transference in the world of the permanently befuddled Pretend you’re mad about one thing when you’re really mad about something else
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This would actually be a good time for me to mention that again: How does any right-wing media or any conservative here have any credibility after all the things you've rationalized and made excuses for in defending President Trump?
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Dattier said:
You can't even pretend you care about mental health for half a day. You're already using it as a punchline again, hours after trying to claim you care about people who have different political beliefs.

A new low? That would mean more if you didn't say it every day. President Biden was the worst evereverever... and Harris would be even worse... and Walz would be even worse than her... :rolleyes: You literally said all of those things, mac. And surely the Democratic candidate in '28 will be a bazillion times worse than all of them combined.
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You have been edgier and more prickly than usual. It’s almost like you were pissed when the market rebounded because then you couldn’t play the blame Trump/ I’m a victim card.
You’re not that crazed are you?
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KDSTONE said:
Your points are valid, but the 10% base tariff is left in place. The reciprocal tariffs are on pause.
The small time investor will likely sit on his money as will small and medium businesses due to all the turbulence and uncertainty
The folks with money to burn are the ones who will cash in as they can afford more risk with all this chaos. Nothing ever changes
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I agree. The people with real money always find a way to benefit, while small investors and businesses deal with the fallout. The uncertainty alone makes it nearly impossible to plan.

I don’t necessarily have an issue with the 10% baseline tariff—there’s a case for it when used strategically. There’s a real policy debate to be had about the percentage of tariffs applied and how they’re implemented. And there’s also a difference between countries that take advantage of us through unfair trade practices and those we rely on for raw materials—treating them the same just creates more problems than it solves.

What we’re seeing now is chaos. The reciprocal tariffs are paused, the baseline stays, and China gets hit with a 125% tariff—something that’s going to land hardest on lower-income Americans who rely on affordable imports.

I’m glad the market bounced, but I’m also annoyed. The pressure’s still there for consumers, and we’ll be right back in the same spot potentially in 90 days. There’s a better way to do this—something measured, consistent, and focused on long-term benefit for the country.
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In order to use tariffs to bolster American manufacturing and create revenue, you can't just pause and restart them. They need to be in place while negotiating better deals so the turmoil can be relaxed and the markets adapt once stability is restored. All this is doing is delaying the floor without getting an idea of what the ceiling is going to be. Pretty crazy strategy.

As far as the market before today's rebound. Yes, this is what people voted for. Actual action. Markets go up, they go down. If you are dependent on the ups and downs of wall street, you need to spread your eggs out better. We won't really know if it is a winning strategy for at least a year. We're going to have to take some punches.
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Dattier said:
You can't even pretend you care about mental health for half a day. You're already using it as a punchline again, hours after trying to claim you care about people who have different political beliefs.

A new low? That would mean more if you didn't say it every day. President Biden was the worst evereverever... and Harris would be even worse... and Walz would be even worse than her... :rolleyes: You literally said all of those things, mac. And surely the Democratic candidate in '28 will be a bazillion times worse than all of them combined.
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Well he kind of has a point Harris is worse than Biden. That’s why she lost to Trump.
Walz is the worst of all because he won’t even make it through the primaries, neither did Harris for that matter but she was pushed on through because of her non whiteness, too bad she was a dingbat.
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Dattier said:
You can claim you said it all day. Your criticism of our President is always in the abstract, always while extending the longest leash in presidential history. None of y'all has had the first criticism of tariffs and how wrong they could go. Nothing beyond vague wariness, no actual analysis and criticism. None of y'all has any answer to the things Th0r is posting.
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Honestly I thought it was possible that the tariff threats were primarily a bluff, a negotiating tactic that would yield favorable concessions. Now that it’s gotten to this point, the markets will settle down over time. We’ve had a vegetable in the position of POTUS for four years, and the markets still kept chugging along
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Dattier
Mac9192 said:
You're normally difficult to deal with, but today, you've gone to a new low. You may need a break. Seriously, log off, and do some yoga, meditation, gardening, whatever.

It will be dull without you, but your mental health is more important sir.
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You can't even pretend you care about mental health for half a day. You're already using it as a punchline again, hours after trying to claim you care about people who have different political beliefs.

A new low? That would mean more if you didn't say it every day. President Biden was the worst evereverever... and Harris would be even worse... and Walz would be even worse than her... :rolleyes: You literally said all of those things, mac. And surely the Democratic candidate in '28 will be a bazillion times worse than all of them combined.
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Mac9192 said:
You're normally difficult to deal with, but today, you've gone to a new low. You may need a break. Seriously, log off, and do some yoga, meditation, gardening, whatever.

It will be dull without you, but your mental health is more important sir.
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He’s lashing out bc I ignored his post Friday. This is what they call transference in the world of the permanently befuddled Pretend you’re mad about one thing when you’re really mad about something else
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Dattier said:
You can claim you said it all day. Your criticism of our President is always in the abstract, always while extending the longest leash in presidential history. None of y'all has had the first criticism of tariffs and how wrong they could go. Nothing beyond vague wariness, no actual analysis and criticism. None of y'all has any answer to the things Th0r is posting.
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I’ve actually agreed with a a lot of what Thor has posted today, but you tend to ignore that bc your stock in trade is animosity and grandstanding. Bait someone into attacking your post and then play victim the rest of the day.
Stocks had a predictably chaotic reaction to the tariffs but a necessary trading reset was long overdue. Two months in, it seems premature to write off his entire agenda.
It’s become clear that anything short of Trump sucks or ‘Voting for him was the biggest mistake of my life’ Will not be enough for you.
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Dattier
Mac9192 said:
Datt, please quit trembling. Yes, any of us that voted for him knew what might happen. He campaigned on tariffs. So we knew what might happen. Your comment about him saying he was fixing everything on day 1 and us doing nothing but cheering him on? You're either very forgetful or a liar. Pick one, because that's been a sore spot for all of us about him. He runs his mouth more than I wish he did.

Compared to the shit show we had to sit through the last four years? I'd take him big mouth and all any day of the week.
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You can claim you said it all day. Your criticism of our President is always in the abstract, always while extending the longest leash in presidential history. None of y'all has had the first criticism of tariffs and how wrong they could go. Nothing beyond vague wariness, no actual analysis and criticism. None of y'all has any answer to the things Th0r is posting.
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Off-season thoughts

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christophero said:
The other board mentioned that Cooper helped with the playmaking duties and I agree.
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Cooper masked a shortcoming we had, which was playmaking. Without him, Proctor will need someone to make things happen. Then again, maybe he has it in him but didn't due to Cooper.

I just have my doubts that he's the kind of guard that causes defenses major issues.
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