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Official game day thread- Duke vs Wake Forest II

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christophero said:
I think what seperates this team, other than the fact we have 4 impact freshman, is the 3 transfers are almost all perfect team role players. Its rare to be able to plug in 3 upperclassman who seemingly have no ego. And they are tough as nails.
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Also the size of literally every single player. When they showed the Seniors getting their framed jerseys, I was struck by how Gillis and James are the same height. We knew that on paper already, but when you see them standing there side by side it hammers home the point. You don't traditionally see your guards standing toe to toe with some of your forwards. This is a HUGE basketball team and there is without question a wear-down effect when you have to compete against this Duke team over the course of a game as a result of all that length.
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Dattier said:
It's not his house.

I saw with my own two eyes how our President spoke to President Zelensky. Saaaaaaaaaaaaw.
I have heard third-hand about Ukrainian men being abducted and forcibly enlisted. Hearrrrrrrrrrd.

The last time the US had conscription of that sort was during the Civil War, which was, of course, the last time a war was fought on US soil. Poland used 12-year-olds during WW2. A bunch of Central African countries are using child soldiers right now.

It's an awful thing, but in an occupied country where those same people may be just as likely to be killed by the invading military, there is important context and extenuating circumstances. It doesn't make it any less awful, but it does make it more understandable and regrettable.
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Zelensky is a greedy little bastard. How much money are you willing to give him?
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Dattier said:
I think you're going to defend him regardless.

A few issues you might want to get ready to defend:
* halting aid to Ukraine, announced in the last hour or so
* how the CDC is doing with the measles outbreak in Texas
* aggressive tariffs against our closest neighbor & closest ally in Canada and other closest neighbor & pretty close ally in Mexico
* our President's threat to cut funding for colleges that allow "illegal" protests
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Yes, I’m going to defend him almost all the time. Do I like the way he sometimes speaks? No. But I look past words. Washington has been a cesspool for way too long.
The party that has long been against wars/wasteful spending, are the same people whining about Trump helping to end to Ukraine/Russia war. Talk about rich. As I type this, Zelensky has posted on X that he wants to negotiate an end to the war.

On tariffs, it is long overdue. Trump’s purpose is to get more goods made here. Will we pay more for some things? Possibly. I can’t think of the other company, but I’ve heard Honda just announced it’s going to have a factory here instead of out of the country.
What does that do? J O B S.

Not sure what will happen with measles in Texas, nor what you’re expecting.

Trump SHOULD cut funding to universities that allow “illegal” protests. The key word here? ILLEGAL.
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Mac9192 said:
You're not surprised I defend Trump. I think he said exactly what needed to be said. I'm disappointed you're defending Zelensky, but not surprised.
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I think you're going to defend him regardless.

A few issues you might want to get ready to defend:
* halting aid to Ukraine, announced in the last hour or so
* how the CDC is doing with the measles outbreak in Texas
* aggressive tariffs against our closest neighbor & closest ally in Canada and other closest neighbor & pretty close ally in Mexico
* our President's threat to cut funding for colleges that allow "illegal" protests
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ACC has been the best conference in last 3 NCAA Tournaments

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Quavarius said:
None of that matters when the conference has overperformed in the NCAA Tournament against expected results
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Don't get me wrong, I love our NCAA tournament results. I don't really care how other ACC schools do this year as long as we cut down the nets.
But I would say that the ACC operating with $300M (not sure the exact amount) less annually as compared to the SEC or Big10 does matter and will continue to matter. The SEC got all of the top transfers this year, all of them, because they could pay them sums that ACC schools couldn't afford.
The ACC has the worst commissioner (by far) and the worst television contract (by far) of all of the big conferences. Combine that with all of the legendary coaches hanging it up and I think we have a lot of work to do to get back on top overall.
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Dattier said:
I was trying to distinguish between a formal draft and "conscription of that sort."

I think you accidentally said it the way you really see it the first time: it's Dear Leader's house and he can act however he wants free from any decorum, propriety, restraint, or respectability.
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You're not surprised I defend Trump. I think he said exactly what needed to be said. I'm disappointed you're defending Zelensky, but not surprised.
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Dattier
Mac9192 said:
It’s America’s house, and the last time I checked, Zelensky isn’t an American. He’s been treated more than fair, and Trump spoke to him EXACTLY how he needed to be treated. Zelensky is a weasel.

As far as America and conscription, doesn’t the Vietnam War count?
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I was trying to distinguish between a formal draft and "conscription of that sort."

I think you accidentally said it the way you really see it the first time: it's Dear Leader's house and he can act however he wants free from any decorum, propriety, restraint, or respectability.
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ACC has been the best conference in last 3 NCAA Tournaments

Quavarius
DukeDallas9192011015 said:
That's a great stat. However let's be honest, the ACC has been bad for a few years now overall. I don't think just the NCAA tournament is a fair way to measure how good/bad a conference is, though it is the most important time of the year. This year if you took away Duke/Clemson/UL than the ACC is a middle of the pack mid-major conference.

It's annoying because this Duke team truly is elite but this conference has only tested them a handful of times. The ACC in 2019 was an elite league still and got 3 #1 seeds that season, I think this 2025 Duke team would still go 17-3 or 18-2 in that super elite league.

We all know the reasons for the conference collapse...the football side just doesn't make as much $$$ as the other leagues have been, and we are slowly seeing the ripple effects. Combine that with every single legendary coach has left the ACC over the past 5 years, and this is the product we have.

Louisville getting back on track is nice for the league. We really need Syracuse to get good again, and 1 of the Florida schools can hopefully gain some steam as it seems like they have some NIL advantages due to football.
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None of that matters when the conference has overperformed in the NCAA Tournament against expected results
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Mac9192 said:
I'm definitely no expert on this Ukraine/Russia war. I doubt you'll find any conservative though that doesn't have empathy towards the citizens of Ukraine. It's their leadership is the problem, the same as ours before 2025.

Zelensky is a hack, and libs all are silent on them literally grabbing young men off the streets? But you want to criticize Trump for how he talks in HIS HOUSE.

You can't make this up.
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It's not his house.

I saw with my own two eyes how our President spoke to President Zelensky. Saaaaaaaaaaaaw.
I have heard third-hand about Ukrainian men being abducted and forcibly enlisted. Hearrrrrrrrrrd.

The last time the US had conscription of that sort was during the Civil War, which was, of course, the last time a war was fought on US soil. Poland used 12-year-olds during WW2. A bunch of Central African countries are using child soldiers right now.

It's an awful thing, but in an occupied country where those same people may be just as likely to be killed by the invading military, there is important context and extenuating circumstances. It doesn't make it any less awful, but it does make it more understandable and regrettable.
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I'm definitely no expert on this Ukraine/Russia war. I doubt you'll find any conservative though that doesn't have empathy towards the citizens of Ukraine. It's their leadership that's the problem, the same as ours before 2025. I'm not a Putin fan either.

Zelensky is a hack, and libs aren't as outraged as they need to be about them literally grabbing young men off the streets, but you're all over Trump for how he talks in HIS HOUSE.
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DUKE IN THE NBA

Dattier
Q, it would be interesting to keep track of how many Duke players play each night in the NBA. It kinda reminds me of that old factoid about how this continent used to be so full of trees that a squirrel used to be able to go from the Atlantic Coast all the way to the Mississippi River without touching the ground.

We should see if that squirrel has any eligibility left.
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ACC has been the best conference in last 3 NCAA Tournaments

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That's a great stat. However let's be honest, the ACC has been bad for a few years now overall. I don't think just the NCAA tournament is a fair way to measure how good/bad a conference is, though it is the most important time of the year. This year if you took away Duke/Clemson/UL than the ACC is a middle of the pack mid-major conference.

It's annoying because this Duke team truly is elite but this conference has only tested them a handful of times. The ACC in 2019 was an elite league still and got 3 #1 seeds that season, I think this 2025 Duke team would still go 17-3 or 18-2 in that super elite league.

We all know the reasons for the conference collapse...the football side just doesn't make as much $$$ as the other leagues have been, and we are slowly seeing the ripple effects. Combine that with every single legendary coach has left the ACC over the past 5 years, and this is the product we have.

Louisville getting back on track is nice for the league. We really need Syracuse to get good again, and 1 of the Florida schools can hopefully gain some steam as it seems like they have some NIL advantages due to football.
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Official game day thread- Duke vs Wake Forest II

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Dattier said:
Definitely concerning that Foster didn't play at all.

We had 18 OR to their 21 DR, so we rebounded nearly half of our own misses for the second game in a row.

Good to see Mason play so well.

What if Mal came back? Hear me out... he'd go high on potential alone, but he could make really good NIL money here as a soph and go even higher next year after realizing some of that potential. It would delay his 2nd NBA contract by a year, but it would have him a year closer to earning a bigger 2nd contract, development-wise. He hasn't been playing basketball that long. If it takes his entire first NBA contract to start developing, that 2nd contract wouldn't be as big.
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Mal back would be awesome. But I would be more than happy with a front line next year of Maliq and Big Pat, and I think that has been the plan all along, as we haven't recruited a C for this recruiting class. I think we would lose Maliq or Big Pat if Mal comes back.
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Official game day thread- Duke vs Wake Forest II

Dattier
Definitely concerning that Foster didn't play at all.

We had 18 OR to their 21 DR, so we rebounded nearly half of our own misses for the second game in a row.

Good to see Mason play so well.

What if Mal came back? Hear me out... he'd go high on potential alone, but he could make really good NIL money here as a soph and go even higher next year after realizing some of that potential. It would delay his 2nd NBA contract by a year, but it would have him a year closer to earning a bigger 2nd contract, development-wise. He hasn't been playing basketball that long. If it takes his entire first NBA contract to start developing, that 2nd contract wouldn't be as big.
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Best Duke team since ...?

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This is the best Duke team since when?

  • 2022 - K's final season

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 2019 - Zion and Co.

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • 2015 - National champs

    Votes: 4 26.7%

  • 2010 - National champs

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 2001 - National champs

    Votes: 5 33.3%

  • 1999 - Runner-up to UConn

    Votes: 4 26.7%

  • 1991/92 - Repeat champs

    Votes: 1 6.7%
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I want to open this up and get a gauge going into the final game of the regular season.

This team is 27-3 and has lost one game since Thanksgiving. The average margin of victory during Duke's 7-game winning streak is 31.9. Cooper Flagg is a generational player, surrounded by a deep and complementary roster that plays as connected as I've ever seen.

So ... this is the best Duke team since when?
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For those curious about the return..

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DukeDallas9192011015 said:
The problem is that he needs to begin his rookie NBA contract in order to be closer to the 2nd contract which in 2030 could be something like 5 years for $500 million.
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This!

Look, the entire landscape of collegiate sports is in a new world. ANYTHING could happen. But, it would be financially silly for him not to go to the NBA, stay healthy for a few years, and get that second giant contract. Plus endorsement deals. JMHO.
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