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unx alum Bob Lee continues to skewer "Recently Rewarded Roy..."


“Recently Rewarded Roy” Williams told…..

“Roy Williams Said….” or “Roy Williams Told ……” are classic opening lines for more jokes than – “A rabbi, a priest, and Hillary Clinton are in a lifeboat……” or “Carol Folt walks into a bar with a parrot on her shoulder and ……”

The Recently Rewarded Roy is at it again. Now ORW is absolutely positively kinda sorta Gua-Ran-Teeing semi-literate slam dunkers that he and his embattled program have BEAT THE RAP. Such bold braggadoccio likely causes BubbaTheRealAD to wince…. but Bubba Roy Williams pants on fire(Cunningham) has done a lot of wincing since arriving on the scandal-ravaged campus.

Should Roy be so certain? “Should Roy….” is another great opening set-up to a joke. Look, he’s blowing smoke up a recruit’s butt. It’s not like he’s talking to a real person or anything….. it’s “A RECRUIT” for goodness sakes! Roy probably also told the kid “Sure you can study pre-med if you want to. unc has a really cool Medical School…. I’m guessing. Although I try not to ‘cluster’ too many of our youngsters in pre-med.”


http://bobleesays.com/2015/07/12/recently-rewarded-roy-williams-told/
 
unx receives letter from SACS. So much for those "reforms" and the "carolina committment. Lulz...


PR 1.1 (Integrity)

This standard expects an institution to operate with integrity in all matters.

New information provided by the institution through the private investigative review has
led the institution to establish an Integrity Working Group and to review the Department
of African, African American and Diaspora Studies (AAAD) and the Department of
Athletics. Although the report outlined plans to ensure integrity in the operations of the
two departments, the institution has not yet provided sufficient evidence of the impact of
these new initiatives for correcting the issues related to integrity and compliance.


http://oira.unc.edu/files/2015/07/SACSCOCLetterJuly1-2015.pdf


unc must respond to accreditor by April with evidence of compliance

A letter to unc-Chapel Hill by its accrediting agency explains the rationale for a June 11 decision to impose probation on the university – a sanction that is one step away from the loss of accreditation.

The letter was received by unc last week and released Monday. It was sent July 1 by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges – the body that passes judgment on academic quality, governance and financial viability of colleges across the South.

On June 11, the commission cited seven of those standards in its decision about probation: overall integrity; program content; control of intercollegiate athletics; academic support services; academic freedom; faculty role in governance; and compliance with provisions in federal financial aid law. Probation is a rare step for an accreditor to take against any college, but particularly against a university of unc’s stature.

The letter asked the university to provide specific information about recent reforms to the accrediting body by April 1 of next year. The probation period is for one year, but if the university is not in compliance at the end of two years, it would lose accreditation, which would mean the university would be ineligible to receive federal funds.

“Please note that an institution’s accreditation cannot be extended if it has been on Probation for two successive years,” said the letter, signed by the commission’s president, Belle Wheelan.

Wheelan wrote that a special committee will visit unc to review evidence to determine if the university is in compliance with standards.

unc Chancellor Carol Folt released a statement Monday: “We appreciate the additional information and guidance from the commission and welcome this opportunity not only to submit a report to demonstrate the effectiveness of the reform measures identified in the letter, but also to meet next spring with the commission’s special committee to further show the University’s compliance with its accreditation standards.”

She and unc Provost Jim Dean met in Georgia on Monday with the commission’s president, Folt said, “to reiterate the University’s full cooperation in providing the commission with the information it has requested or otherwise might need during its review.”

She added: “We also used the meeting with Dr. Wheelan to underscore that the University firmly believes it has done everything possible to address and move beyond the past academic irregularities that ended four years ago – to prevent them from recurring and to ensuring integrity in everything that we do. We explained that the University continues to devote extraordinary resources to monitoring and refining the more than 70 reforms and initiatives put in place since 2011. We further made clear that carolina remains committed to doing whatever it takes to getting this right.”

The sanction was decided at a commission board meeting in Virginia last month. It followed a second review of the university’s academic and athletic scandal, in which 3,100 students took sham classes during a period of nearly two decades.

Last fall, after a report from former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein detailed the breadth of the scandal, SACS informed unc that it had concerns about the university’s compliance with 18 separate accreditation standards. By last month, the commission cited seven standards in imposing probation.


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article27161878.html
 
unx and Folt are a joke. "carolina committment" this , "reforms" that etc. No one buys that crap other than , well , unx and their delusional fans. Is there ANYTHING favorable to unx in that letter...?

"There is insufficient evidence to validate the effectiveness of the newly-implemented Student-Athlete Academic Initiative Working Group that reports to the Chancellor."

"...the evidence is insufficient to determine compliance."
 
"COMMENTS" section of latest Bob Lee. A fellow unx alum writes in...


BILL

BobLee,

Actually, my BP and pulse are at near record lows thanks to the fact that with your help, I accepted the “new reality” about “The Southern Part of Heaven?” years ago. Now, news of another ORW foible just makes me chuckle and rejoice again over the fact that I no longer contribute a sous to our alma mater or waste any time reading anything about the “institution” except what you publish.
What you do is, IMHO, a true public service.

Cheers,

Bill

BOBLEE

YIKES! …. I feel a bit like a paraphrased Neil Armstrong…. “I’ve awaken one alum to a grim reality, now on to the 100,000s others.”
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That the laypeople (BOT) appointed to oversee the admins have become as corrupt if not more so than the admins themselves pretty much assures the fate of The Flagship.
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In true LowerLevel situational ethics mentality, we can “blame ALL OF THIS on Coach K”. His on-going success in banners and in recruiting is panicking the BOT / Fat Cats to tell RRRTR to do “whatever it takes” to Restore The Fading Glory.

http://bobleesays.com/2015/07/12/recently-rewarded-roy-williams-told/
 
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After some prodding...


Kelly Richmond Pope ‏@kellyrpope

@paperclassinc our #basketball themed e-case GAMEDAY @HeliosDigital e-case coming Sept 2015 pic.twitter.com/wmYndfmA1J

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unc Meme ‏@uncMeme

@kellyrpope @HeliosDigital Word of your book on unc's athletic scandal has already hit NYC's Time Square! pic.twitter.com/eYNqZqJRuL

DevilDJ ‏@DevilDJ32

@uncMeme @kellyrpope @HeliosDigital Looks like a good read. The basketball is appropriate too.

unc Meme ‏@uncMeme

@DevilDJ32 @kellyrpope @HeliosDigital No matter how hard unc's $$$$PR team tries to divert our attention...we all know it's about basketball

JD TOMMY ‏@jdthomas59

@uncMeme @DevilDJ32 @kellyrpope @HeliosDigital MENS BB,no matter what plans they try to "HATCH"

Gerald Gurney ‏@GeraldGurney1

@kellyrpope @paperclassinc @HeliosDigital Anxious to read it.

 
A nice update from manalishi (the man in the know over on PackPride). This makes me think that those of us hoping to see a big hammer dropped on the Cheats are going to be giddy in a few more months.

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Re: UNC Scandal: Day 1900
11:33 AM

A short update of sorts before obiad...



Lawsuits –

There are two primary reasons the ncaa HAD to find fault with unc’s past transgressions.

One was to protect themselves (the ncaa) from some of the current lawsuits against them. (McCants/Ramsey, Haulsfield… there are some major implications tied up in there… you guys should really be paying more attention when st8dukegrad87 posts)

The almost catch-22 scenario the ncaa found themselves in was finding a way to fault unc, but at the same time not compromising their own position in those lawsuits. With the way the NOA was ultimately worded, the ncaa accomplished that goal.

Another reason for having to find fault in those past transgressions was due to immense pressure from certain other member institutions. (unc has vastly underestimated who its enemies are, in terms of the academic/athletic world)



The flow of information --

It’s well known that unc redacted a LOT of information from the supplementary documents of the NOA. Hmm… what if some of it was information that would completely nullify their current PR campaign? If/when the NOA ever becomes 100% public the school may be forced to face some very uncomfortable questions. And for those who say “we’ll never see the full NOA”… don’t be so sure.



On the flip side of that information flow: as has proven to be the case for several years now, unc’s decision makers do not know quite as much as they think they do.

The NCAA conducted interviews that were not included in the NOA.

That is a fact, not conjecture.

As much as unc (and its admin/PR) would like to think they are completely in the driver’s seat in terms of managing the entire “information” situation, the word “completely” simply does not apply.



PR approach --

As has been mentioned several times earlier on PP, the unc PR team outlined a specific plan of trying to sway public opinion – with one of the main results hopefully being the emotional manipulation of the COI. (there are other goals as well, which will be briefly touched on later)



Lying to recruits --

This is part verbal ambiguity on unc’s part, and part coordinated plan.

“Our lawyers told us” is an easy way for the coaches to blame someone else once they actually get hit with sanctions.

Also, for the coaches to say that their sports were not “specifically” named in the NOA is actually the truth. By definition, to be “specifically” named could be construed as being the ONLY one named. So no, men’s basketball was not “specifically” named in the NOA… it was named along with football, WBB, etc. (but oh, those redacted NOA docs…)



Interestingly, the stamp of approval for the use of that wording/phrase by the head coaches (not being “specifically” named) supposedly came all the way from the top, by the way.



Sanctions --

Going back to the lawsuits – the NCAA must protect itself on several fronts. As such, unc will face sanctions – both past and present.



The unc apologists will continue to boast and gloat for another 6-9 months, following the fallacy that is being spread through PR. When the sanctions are finally announced, reality will set in for many. (though the PR approach – the “other goals” mentioned above – supposedly has a few contingency plans to try and ease the pain)

Those apologists who swear there will be no sanctions are either buying the PR spin (which is not entirely their fault), or they simply aren’t very intelligent (again, not entirely their fault. It’s awfully hard to change a DNA strand).

It is what it is, and their current perception of the situation is not worth the energy to try and change.



However… the people who hope for sanctions (on this board, and elsewhere) BUT for whatever reason keep saying “they are going to skate”… those people are extremely, disappointingly foolish.

Pure common sense regarding the facts should be all you need. Unc is going to get hit. Past and present.



When the final word comes down, there will inevitably still be some who cry it’s not enough. Hey, it’s the MB of PP. A lack of complaining would be totally out of character, right?

But the goals will have been met.



And here’s the thing: if you are one of the ones who wants to complain about the final verdict (though I’d wager the vast majority will be happy), then all I can say is that I’m sorry. If you feel they should “get the death penalty! Drop a daisy cutter on them! Pull their accreditation! Give them 20 years of probation and vacate all victories back to 1980!”… well, again, I’m sorry. There is a thing called taking initiative, and there have been MULTIPLE opportunities to actually do something useful over the past five years.

Complaining and whining about things not being fair, yet never having done anything to actually help out matters, is IMO a mixture of self-pity and worthlessness. I’m not interested in either.

Sorry… enough of that sort of negativity. Moving on.



One final note on their PR --

They have literally spent millions over the past few years, paying people to help them craft certain messages, to bury the paperwork process under legal loopholes, and so forth.

Every person they have hired (save for a few fanboy lawyers) has had money as his/her primary interest. “I’ll do my best to give you want you want; keep writing those checks.”

But is a merc’s “best” effort truly a passionate, exemplary effort, if your heart is not in it?



Compare that with what has been exposed against unc. The key difference: done by an (arguably) equally-capable group of skillsets, yet done for passion and an ethical cause – not for money. That’s likely been one of the differences over the past five years, with regards to results. Millions of dollars can buy work, but it can’t always buy an impassioned effort.



Let me put things another way: For the past 24 months or so, everything has gone pretty much as planned. Whose plan?... Exactly.



More updates --

If there are ever other happenings… yet they are not being shared… then there are always very good reasons for not commenting publicly on them.

Bigger hands are now molding this piece of clay.

As always… just try and be patient.
 
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i hope the above was from the PP free board.......if not you may want to delete it from this site.


It IS from the PP free board. It's pretty awesome too. "Manalishi" obviously has some inside sources and he also has a great track record when reporting on this stuff. Funny , ain't it? The most legit scandal info comes from State fans. Heck , just about any source OTHER than one from unx is a legit source. Without a doubt , unx forums CONSISTENTLY put out erroneous info. It's because the moderators on their sites either lie or prevent anything negative from being posted or they get all their info from each other. Or all 3. I can't decide.
 
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Sports agent's lawsuit against former unc football players Quinn, Austin dismissed

District Judge Williams Osteen Jr. dismissed a lawsuit filed by sports agent Carl Carey Jr. against former North carolina football players Marvin Austin and Robert Quinn Wednesday.


http://www.wralsportsfan.com/sports...ball-players-quinn-austin-dismissed/14775650/

Born in Greensboro, North carolina, Osteen received his bachelor's degree in 1983 and his Juris Doctor degree in 1987, both from the University of North carolina

http://ballotpedia.org/William_Osteen
 
It IS from the PP free board. It's pretty awesome too. "Manalishi" obviously has some inside sources and he also has a great track record when reporting on this stuff. Funny , ain't it? The most legit scandal info comes from State fans. Heck , just about any source OTHER than one from unx is a legit source. Without a doubt , unx forums CONSISTENTLY put out erroneous info. It's because the moderators on their sites either lie or prevent anything negative from being posted or they get all their info from each other. Or all 3. I can't decide.

Thanks for the reply ........I agree that Manalishi is a real gem of solid info.
 
Mary/Jay tear Chansky a new one...

Earth to Art Chansky: It wasn’t about the women

In a recent commentary on WCHL, ardent unc sports fan Art Chansky revealed his strategy for combating the NCAA’s Notice of Allegations [NOA] against the university’s athletic program: Blame it on the women!

The propaganda purposes of this particular commentary are obvious even by Chansky’s standards. No team is “cited” in the NOA if by cited one means singled out for likely punishment. As a team and as a program, women’s basketball is cited in the NCAA document no more and no less than any other team or program. (The NCAA’s NOA did note, however, that the “special arrangements” used for eligibility purposes at unc had particularly benefited “the sports of football, men’s basketball, and women’s basketball.”) Chansky, in other words, is only continuing and amplifying the PR drumbeat that Roy Williams, Larry Fedora and others began some weeks ago, presumably at the urging of university lawyers. They have repeatedly announced that the big-time men’s revenue sports would seem to be in the clear and should expect no further punishment from the NCAA. They would have us believe that the NCAA is prepared to give football and men’s basketball a free pass even after the exposure of decades’ worth of fraud that clearly benefited the football and men’s basketball teams. And they are evidently all too happy to point the finger of blame in the direction of a women’s team in order to lower expectations about the sanctions likely to be imposed on the men’s teams.


MORE...

http://paperclassinc.com/earth-to-art-chansky-it-wasnt-about-the-women/
 
This is a good thread to ask this question. What way is The Carolina Way? Could it be any which way you can, whatever way works or which way did they go?:rolleyes: OFC
 
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Re: unc Scandal: Manalishi speaks/Pack rejoices/Holes lurk

unc-CH is running a PR campaign that would have worked 10-20 years ago. It is like the military trying to use tactics from WW2 against Al Qaeda who is fighting an asymmetrical war. Public opinion is of little concern to the main players at the NCAA, they are much more worried about the current and potential litigation.

Below is some information from McCants/Ramsey v unc-CH/NCAA. If the NCAA does not hit the unc-CH hard then they are running directly counter to the core principle of the NCAA and testimony under oath in Congress. Additionally, this same information will be used heavily against the NCAA in Jenkins v NCAA. If the NCAA abandons its core principle of academics and student first then all the Power 5 are is a minor league for professional sports.

I apologize in advance for the length but i thought many of the points below were the most relevant. The NCAA is MUCH more concerned about the below than they are about any PR campaign. The NCAA's very existence is at stake. unc-CH being punished heavily has no impact on the NCAA as a going concern, these lawsuits do have an impact. Also, there are more that are being prepared so this is only the beginning. After reading the below ask yourself, does the NCAA have the incentive to not punish unc-CH or to slam them very hard?

1. This case arises out of the NCAA and unc’s abject failure to safeguard and provide a meaningful education to scholarship athletes who agreed to attend unc—and take the field—in exchange for academically sound instruction. This latest lapse, however profound, is regrettably just one of many such episodes in the history of college sports.

2. The NCAA, which has governed intercollegiate athletics for 100 years, has made a firm promise and commitment to college athletes—that it will protect the education and educational opportunities of men and women participating in college athletics. This commitment courses throughout the NCAA’s governing documents, its publicly stated mission, its State of the Association addresses, its Constitution and Bylaws, and numerous other representations to the public, to parents of athletes, and to minors at the very early stages of their athletic careers. Time and time again, the NCAA has held itself out as the principal guardian of college athletes’ academic welfare, reiterating its role as ensuring that college athletes are integrated into the student body and as ensuring that athletic participation does not compromise academic achievement. On its website, the NCAA notes: “It’s our commitment—and our responsibility—to give young people opportunities to learn, play and succeed.”

4. The NCAA and unc broke these promises and breached their duties to student-athletes in spectacular fashion. From 1989 to 2011, under the supervision and regulation of the NCAA, unc steered hundreds of college athletes into sham “paper classes” that they were not required to attend, that required little to no work, that were not taught by a faculty member, and that involved no interaction with a faculty member. As one recent investigation by a former federal prosecutor (commissioned by unc itself) concluded, unc furnished “academically unsound classes that provided deficient educational instruction to thousands” over the course of two decades...
 
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29. Since its founding in 1906 under another name, the NCAA has professed to protect and police the education of college athletes. According to its own historical account, “For the NCAA, the principal themes—fundamental at the beginning and fundamental today—are the commitment to amateurism and the connection between education and athletics in which education is the principal partner.”

30. This founding mission is evident in the NCAA Division I Manual, which includes the NCAA’s Constitution and Bylaws (colloquially referred to as its “rules”) and emphasizes that the “basic purpose of this Association is to maintain intercollegiate athletics as an integral part of the educational program and the athlete as an integral part of the student body.”

32. NCAA Constitution Article 2.2 sets forth the “Principle of Student-Athlete Well-Being,” which provides that “ntercollegiate athletics programs shall be conducted in a manner designed to protect and enhance the physical and educational well-being of student-athletes.” NCAA Constitution Article 2.2.1 further provides that “each member institution [will] establish and maintain an environment in which a student-athlete’s activities are conducted as an integral part of the student-athlete’s educational experience.” In accordance with this “fundamental principle,” the NCAA requires its member schools to “[p]rovide evidence that the well-being of student-athletes and the fairness of their treatment is monitored, evaluated and addressed on a continuing basis.”

33. NCAA Constitution Article 2.5 sets forth the “Principle of Sound Academic Standards”:

Intercollegiate athletics programs shall be maintained as a vital component of the educational program, and student-athletes shall be an integral part of the student body. The admission, academic standing and academic progress of student-athletes shall be consistent with the policies and standards adopted by the institution for the student body in general.

34. NCAA Operating Bylaw 20.9.1.7 underscores the NCAA’s written commitment to policing “Sound Academic Standards” for student-athletes:

Standards of the Association governing participation in intercollegiate athletics, including postseason competition, shall be designed to ensure proper emphasis on educational objectives and the opportunity for academic success, including graduation, of student-athletes who choose to participate at a member institution. Intercollegiate athletics programs shall be maintained as an important component of the educational program, and student-athletes shall be an integral part of the student body. Each member institution’s admission and academic standards for student-athletes shall be designed to promote academic progress and graduation and shall be consistent with the standards adopted by the institution for the student body in general.

35. Moreover, the NCAA’s Operating Bylaw 19 prohibits “academic fraud” by DI athletes or their schools and identifies that conduct as a breach of NCAA rules subject to the most severe penalties. That same bylaw identifies “unethical conduct” as an “aggravating factor” for NCAA rules violations that may warrant higher penalties. Under the NCAA’s bylaws, “unethical conduct” includes knowing involvement in obtaining fraudulent academic credit for an enrolled student-athlete.

40. In his 2012 State of the Association speech, NCAA President Mark Emmert noted that “[w]hat we live for is the education of our athletes.” The NCAA website quotes President Emmert further:

We must be student-centered in all that we do. The Association was founded on the notion of integrating athletics into the educational experience, and we have to make sure we deliver on that 100-year-old promise. We have to remind ourselves that this is about the young men and women we asked to come to our schools for a great educational experience. We have to collectively deliver on those promises. . . . That’s why we’re in this business.

44. In testimony before a U.S. Senate Committee in 2014, NCAA President Mark Emmert explained that the NCAA’s mission is “first and foremost . . . to promote student-athlete success in the classroom and on the field to ultimately enable them to succeed throughout life,” and “mproving student-athlete academic success has been a concentrated effort by the Division I membership for more than two decades.”

45. Past NCAA presidents have echoed this same commitment. NCAA President Myles Brand, who immediately preceded President Emmert, affirmed the NCAA’s commitment to safeguarding the education of college athletes in his 2003 State of the Association:

I take as my first principle the conviction that intercollegiate athletics must be integrated into the academic mission of colleges and universities. Athletic competition is a vital part of American higher education, but it cannot stand alone nor should it only minimally fulfill the primary mission of our colleges and universities. Rather, it must go hand in hand with their academic goals.

This means that we must support student-athletes’ academic success by ensuring that they have access to the full range of major courses of study and by developing initial- and continuing- eligibility standards that provide incentives for success. We must remember that student-athletes are just that: student-athletes. We must not allow their athletic training and competition to overwhelm their educational opportunities. Their commitment to their sport and their regimen for athletics preparedness should permit adequate time for study and a social life. There is nothing more important to higher education, in my view, than educational opportunities for students. I understand that not every student will avail himself or herself of those opportunities; but it is our job to ensure that all student-athletes train and compete in environments that encourage them to do so.
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Competitive and team performance is a high priority, no doubt, but not at the cost of student-athletes’ academic success. Athletics programs are part of the university, and they should function in much the same way as other campus units. Intercollegiate athletics, especially in the high-profile sports, commands a great deal of attention on and off campus. Despite this intense interest, we should not lose sight of our priorities. Intercollegiate athletics must accommodate itself to the academic priorities of universities and colleges, and not vice versa.
 
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unx alum Bob Lee...


Bonnie & Clyde Answer: “Earth To Art…”

It didn’t take too long for “Bonnie & Clyde” to answer Art Chansky’s “Sylvia Must Go” commentaries. This is hardly the first time that Bonnie & Clyde and Bre’r Chansky have aired their very different POVs on this inglorious institutional dumpster fire now raging into its fifth year.

“Bonnie” a/k/a whistleblower Mary Willingham and “Clyde” a/k/a notorious faculty dissident Jay Smith took to their website paperclassinc.com Thursday afternoon to refute Art’s assertion that:

It’s basically all Sylvia Hatchell’s fault. If she will just go away, everything would be fine….

I went inside the Old Well Bubble Thursday midday to get a feel for how this latest chapter of The Great Unpleasantness TGU was playing out. Even supporters of Sylvia were astounded to learn that unc WoBB loses over $2,000,000/year…. as Art reported. Stay tuned for the Next Salvo….


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58WOLF KENNEL

Truly powerful!! Is this part of a follow-on book. Will be most interesting to see the Butch football overload tie-in. We could get a great TV series developed out of this. “House of Shards”.

BOBLEE

Its been a very busy day at The TGU.

YOGI

BOOM! Take that Art! That is without a doubt one of the best pieces I’ve seen on TGU.

BOBLEE

Bringing the high heat …..

http://bobleesays.com/2015/07/16/earth-to-chansky-bonnie-clyde-answer-art/
 
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Posted: Yesterday 10:37 PM

Re: unc Scandal: Manalishi speaks/Pack rejoices/Holes lurk

The ncaa has information that unc does not know about.* It will be held awaiting the unc /ncaa discussion of the penalties.

* unc does not know about a certain person that gave the ncaa some incriminating information. I do not know who that person is but it is my understanding that the ncaa agreed not to use the information unless unc outright lies to the ncaa. My source is outside of unc and is second hand ( a relative to the person ).
 
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Posted: Yesterday 10:37 PM

Re: unc Scandal: Manalishi speaks/Pack rejoices/Holes lurk

The ncaa has information that unc does not know about.* It will be held awaiting the unc /ncaa discussion of the penalties.

* unc does not know about a certain person that gave the ncaa some incriminating information. I do not know who that person is but it is my understanding that the ncaa agreed not to use the information unless unc outright lies to the ncaa. My source is outside of unc and is second hand ( a relative to the person ).

Now this is very, very interesting, DevilDJ! This could really heat things up if push comes to shove.

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I'm assuming "TOS" means the same thing it means here (The Other Site.) If so , this post refers to "The Wolfpacker." Unfortunately , forums there aren't "open." That said...


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Posted: Today 9:52 AM

Re: unc Scandal: Manalishi speaks/Pack rejoices/Holes lurk

the ticking time bomb from TOS leads directly to Provost Dean. Poster said to have hard evidence and has been passed along to Kane. Of course, Kane will need to have every angle researched and documented before he releases an article that implicates a school's Provost in academic fraud. Kane has released some bombs before, that would be nuclear
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How unx responds to FOIA requests. Specifically asked NOT to redact that which is not redactable and refer other requests to their bs website of "transparency" (carolina committment) , the flagship does both. Ya can't make this stuff up. "Abuse/Misuse of FERPA." The carolina way...


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Posted: Today 3:41 PM

Re: UNC Scandal: Manalishi speaks/Pack rejoices/Holes lurk

the "rumor" was that there is proof Dean waived the final exam requirement for certain athletes. Apparently the Provost has the power to do that when they see fit. The reality is that this goes to the top (Thorpe) but he tucked tail and ran. Dean would the the highest academic that is still there to trace this to.
no paper + no exam = no work

If you have a rivals membership, check out the scandal thread around 38 and start from there.
 
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APNewsBreak: Documents detail Hawkins' payments in unc case

Newly unsealed documents in the case of an ex-college football player charged with violating North carolina's sports agent law suggest he funneled money to multiple Tar Heels players and set up meetings with agents and financial advisers trying to sign them to contracts.


Christopher Hawkins was arrested in May for providing former player Robert Quinn thousands of dollars and helping him sell game-used equipment in 2010, along with improperly contacting a unc player in 2013 to talk about representation.

According to five search warrants unsealed Friday and reviewed by The Associated Press, Hawkins acted as "an agent/runner" by befriending other athletes, providing illegal improper benefits and brokering meetings with agents and advisers despite not being registered as required by law.

The search warrants from the past year sought records for financial and online accounts for the former unc and Marshall player in a 5-year-old Secretary of State's investigation, which began amid a 2010 NCAA probe into unc's football program. Hawkins was barred from school athletes and facilities that year and is one of five charged.

Fourteen Tar Heels missed at least one game in 2010 and seven sat all season in a case that led to NCAA sanctions in March 2012.

Both probes focused largely on ex-players Quinn, Marvin Austin and Greg Little. But roughly 75 pages of unsealed documents include other examples, including ex-player Kendric Burney telling investigators in October 2013 that he received monthly payments from Hawkins while an eligible athlete.

Burney, who missed six games in 2010 for improper benefits from Hawkins connected to trips, said Hawkins paid him and other players for agent meetings, the documents state.

Burney said Hawkins arranged and attended his meetings with financial adviser Marty Blazer and agent Peter Schaffer — two people who exchanged hundreds of calls with Hawkins, according to phone records cited in the warrants.

In an interview with the AP, Schaffer said he has never given improper benefits to Burney, now his client, or any unc players. He said Hawkins spoke to him about Burney but most communication would've been about ex-unc and NFL running back Willie Parker, a client who called Hawkins his "manager."

Schaffer denied wrongdoing and said he hasn't been interviewed by case investigators in several years. Schaffer represents Austin and Little, both of whom previously hired other agents.

"Come out to my office, you can look through my bank records and you will not see one check wired, cash, anything to Marty Blazer, to Chris Hawkins, to Kendric Burney, to anybody," Schaffer said. "Because it doesn't happen."

Blazer, Hawkins and Hawkins attorney Natasha Adams didn't return emails Saturday from the AP.

The investigative documents listed different ways money allegedly changed hands for players long since departed from unc.

Burney told investigators Hawkins summoned athletes to the house he shared with Parker to find "envelopes with their names on them lined up on a table," the documents state. Burney also said Hawkins paid him for signed memorabilia.

In February 2013, Quinn told investigators Hawkins provided $13,700 to steer him to Schaffer and Blazer, and called Schaffer "his guy," the documents state. Quinn said Blazer wired him money under the name of a teammate's girlfriend to avoid detection.

That May, Quinn's ex-girlfriend — identified as an athlete whose name matches a former unc softball player — told investigators Quinn received transfers through her account and said Hawkins was giving him money, the documents state.

Little also told investigators in 2013 he had received payments from Blazer.

Quinn, now with the St. Louis Rams, and Little didn't play in 2010 and were declared permanently ineligible by the NCAA.

The documents mention "numerous" emails between Hawkins and Blazer discussing payments made or pending to Quinn, Burney and former player Deunta Williams. Online chats between Hawkins and another person discuss teammates Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant.

Documents also cite online communication between Hawkins and Blazer discussing financial transfers. There's no mention of transactions between Schaffer and Hawkins.

In 2014, Blazer told investigators he communicated with Hawkins because of his relationships with unc players, but denied providing improper benefits. However, he said Schaffer had done so and paying athletes was the only way to get them to talk but didn't provide details, the documents state.

"For the Secretary of State to put that in that affidavit is slander, and this entire investigation is based on hearsay with absolutely zero credibility," Schaffer told the AP. "It's been a witch-hunt the whole time. The fact my name continues to come up in it is ridiculous."

Schaffer said he feels agents have the right to talk with players "as long as you follow NCAA rules."

The documents also describe Hawkins attempting to make contacts elsewhere: Blazer provided investigators with a November 2013 email from Hawkins about ex-USC All-American Marqise Lee, the Biletnikoff Award winner as the nation's top receiver in 2012.

"I have a guy working out with him at USC," the email states. "I'm going to meet with him soon!! He's been inquiring about financial guys.. (sic) What u think about him.. Reaching out to a few folks about him."

The documents contain no indication Lee made contact with Hawkins or Blazer.


http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-documents-detail-hawkins-payments-unc-case
 
Quinn's ex-girlfriend — identified as an athlete whose name matches a former unc softball player


Donna J. Papa ‏@uncCoachPapa


Catching up with one of my alumna Constance Orr at a softball field. Hasn"t hung up her cleats.

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Wonder how her hitting is these days? She was always a great "runner." Lulz. How corrupt are you when your cheating taints even women's softball?
 
Hmmm...

David Rippey ‏@david_rippey

Do not be distracted by the Edelman PR team's latest sleight of hand trick on behalf of #uncCHEAT. http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/apne...yments-unc-case …. 1/2 Timely release of a dead subject. AP article by Aaron Beard, he's a #unc grad, but so is Kevin Madden. #carolinaWhey 2/2

DevilDJ ‏@DevilDJ32

@david_rippey Interesting take. Howso? Seems to implicate MORE players than originally reported AND it puts football back on front burner.

David Rippey ‏@david_rippey

@DevilDJ32 Fishy considering the timing. Our source said the #NCAA was willing to overlook some trails because of redundancy. Same here IMO


 
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ACC commissioner John Swofford wants schools to handle discipline

Swofford said he is comfortable with how each ACC school is prepared to handle those situations and that the schools don't need conference oversight.

"We've discussed those issues and best practices," Swofford said. "Our approach so far, and I don't really see this changing, is that we have a lot of confidence in our institutions to handle those situations when they occur."

"Our institutions, they have very appropriate mechanisms on their own campuses to address those situations," Swofford said. "If I felt that weren't the case, I'd pick up the phone and have a conversation."


http://espn.go.com/college-football...ys-conference-wants-schools-handle-discipline
 
unx alum Bob Lee...


A Greatly Unpleasant “Rasputin” Reappears

I swanee…. The Great Unpleasantness (TGU) @ unc is a case of Institutional Herpes. Like the notorious STD; certain elements of TGU might fade into remission, or hibernate, or go dormant for a spell…. but nothing about it ever totally “goes away”. Case-in-point….. The Chris Hawkins Chapter.

I do have a legal associate of high repute who is “of knowledge” related to statutes of limitations and guilt by omission / commission and by association. I should be getting his input soon on the “so what” value of these latest revelations.

Alas, even these latest revelations will NOT affect (1) your idiot brother-in-law a/k/a The World’s #1 unc Wal-Mart Fan….. nor will it have any effect whatsoever on (2) those cross-eyed goobers around your water cooler who “know for a fact” that That Damn Dan Kane is behind all of this.

This absolutely will NOT deter (3) unc’s LowerLevel Guys who are so concerned about Coach K’s recruiting resurgence that they would (almost) forfeit their trust funds and/or hedge funds to make “all this” go away.


COMMENTS:

SWVA uncER

Apparently the “lower level” BBers and the Blue Zone FBers don’t know a darn thing about the laws of nature. You can cover up a pile of crap (the nice word) until cows grow wings, but it does not change the scent of it. Eventually, that scent is going to rise to the surface and point to the truth. Swofford and Dickie, and, yes, your buddy, Art, have tried many years to cover up years of crap (some of it even you wouldn’t believe), but the fact remains, the crap is still there. Dan Kane, Mary, and Smith just have the guts not to be afraid of telling the truth. It’s a darn shame more people don’t share that courage. Absolutely nothing about a school I dearly love, but have no blinders on about what goes on there anymore, would surprise me. I’m sure a lot of other faithful (but not rich) alums feel the same way.

BOBLEE

I’m sure there are some “rich” unc alums quite unhappy about all these revelations as much as you and I and quite a few others. Yes, there is apparently a cabal of Blue Zone / Lower Levelers who are determined to rewrite history to fit their egos. …. not sure thats going to work when all is said and done.


http://bobleesays.com/2015/07/20/a-greatly-unpleasant-rasputin-reappears/
 
Former unx wbb player blasts the ol' alma mater...


unc sacrificing Hatchell to protect men’s teams in scandal

With the NCAA allegations, I am trying to wrap my head around how the women’s basketball team has been made the scapegoat in all of this. Our program was not the only team in the report, yet we are the ones being talked about the most. Roy Williams and his program were in the report, and he got a contract extension. The football program was in the report, and its coaching staff was confident enough to tell recruits that they will not receive any repercussions from the NCAA investigation.

I am proud to be a member of the unc women’s basketball program, but I cannot say I am proud to represented by an administration that will throw a legendary coach to the wolves to protect men’s athletic teams.

Meghan Austin, a 2008 graduate of unc-Chapel Hill, is head women’s basketball coach at Montreat College.

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article27955738.html
 
unx alum Bob Lee...


Art HARUMPHS Back at Mary & Jay

Yeee Haa! We got us a Cyber Slugfest! ……”My buddy Art” (has he officially changed his name to that?) has done reared back and fired a “How Dare You” salvo back at Mary & Jay for daring to fire a salvo at him.

Yo AC, smart alecks like you and I INVITE folks to “fire salvos at us” for the stuff we say. Its WHY we go out of our way to piss’em off in the first place! Duh!

This is starting to resemble The Battle of Midway. Who will be the first to “Go Kamikaze”?
I’m not sure Mary & Jay were at all suggesting that Sylvia deserved a raise TOO. Not even Albert was suggesting that other than “If Roy deserved one then …..” Most everyone not knee-walking drunk on TCW wine thinks NEITHER ONE “deserved a raise” until this is finally resolved…. if it ever is. As Mary & Jay always say – “The Truth is in the transcripts….”

We all know “Roy got his” simply to impress those semi-literate 18 y/os wondering which ballcap to wear sideways. Why not take the $$$$ they are Rewarding Roy and give it (the $$$) directly to the “semi-literate ball caps choosers”. Surely unc has some Fat Cats who can figure a creative way to pull that off.


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TOMINGOLDSBORO

I appreciate Art Chansky’s reputation as a provocateur who has often “kicked over outhouses just because….”; and I realize he REALLY REALLY REALLY resents Mary & Jay criticizing his #1 Love – unc Basketball & Dean Smith…. but is he simply off his meds with these recent screeds? …. He insists on totally absolving Roy from any wrongdoings. That ridiculous.

BOBLEE

Art is indeed a provocateur who worships Coach Smith and all He touched. He really doesn’t hide that fact. Obviously I do not share his undying love and admiration for all that is carolina Basketball. …. The level of admiration he has for Dean Smith and His Legacy does cloud his perception IMO.
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As for “meds” I can’t really tell any difference between Art Now and in The Past. He’s Art Chansky.

FAYETTEWUF

Art brought a pillow to a knife fight.

BOBLEE

I confess I’m a bit surprised by his level of self-righteous indignation. It ain’t like AC is a rookie at these pissin’ contests.

JOHN

“Jay and Mary believe there was an 18-year covert scheme to keep athletes eligible here, and in propagating that ridiculous theory ”

That is just astonishing. Over the past couple of weeks Chansky has published several columns that demonstrate a complete disconnect with reality.

BOBLEE

“a complete disconnect with reality” is not at all uncommon “over there”. It’s pretty much the norm.

http://bobleesays.com/2015/07/20/art-fires-back-at-mary-jay/#comment-890
 
He's all yours , holes. What a sad little turd. "Consummate Professional," that one...


Art Chansky · Top Commenter · Owner at Art Chansky Enterprises, LLC

Thanks for all the comments from you objective experts. I guess we'll have to wait and see who gets nailed by the NCAA who does not. University, yes. FB and MBB, no.

Art Chansky · Top Commenter · Owner at Art Chansky Enterprises, LLC

Dog face, good strategy in your last graph. I will pass that on to Bubba, Carol and the entire legal team.

Art Chansky · Top Commenter · Owner at Art Chansky Enterprises, LLC

Scott, are you the fat guy in the middle of the beach picture?

Art Chansky · Top Commenter · Owner at Art Chansky Enterprises, LLC

Jason, sounds like Dean may not have offered you a scholarship! Too bad he's not around to tell us if you were any good.



Unable to factually dispute anything , ol' Art resorts to personal insults. #carolinaway...

http://chapelboro.com/featured/chanskys-notebook-planetary-response/
 
Chansky is a joke. I think he is going to be surprised at what happens (or maybe not...spinning and knowing better or two different things).

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Watch the video too. What a scumbag. "Pretty positive..."


unc’s Larry Fedora 'pretty positive' his program in good shape amid NCAA investigation

North carolina is still six months away – maybe a little bit more, or less – from the end of an NCAA investigation that drags on, one in which the unknown of it all has become almost as significant, and crippling, as any sanction the university's athletic teams might endure.

There are questions about what penalties might be coming and about what teams might face those penalties. Will some sports be subject to postseason bans or scholarship cuts or both? Will others have victories or championships vacated?

The specter of what could be coming has affected recruiting in men's basketball and football, and likely just about every sport. All the while, Tar Heels football coach Larry Fedora has tried to remain positive, hopeful that his program will avoid significant sanctions.

He and his coaching staff, at least, have shared their confidence with prospects that the football program won't endure serious sanctions, like a postseason ban. Three prospects who recently committed to unc have said Fedora calmed their concerns about the NCAA investigation.

“You know, I'm a very positive person,” Fedora said Tuesday at the ACC's annual preseason media kickoff. “And so there's plenty of people out there are going to look at the negative side of everything that we do. I'm pretty positive that it's going to turn out good for us.”

The NCAA in the summer of 2014 reopened its investigation at unc, which in May received the NCAA's Notice of Allegations. The document outlined five major allegations against unc, including a lack of institutional control, resulting from a paper class scheme that lasted nearly two decades.

The scope of the NOA, though, is broad. The document acknowledges that suspect no-show African- and Afro-American studies courses helped football and men's and women's basketball players remain eligible.

Even so, the NOA doesn't specifically charge football or men's basketball – or anyone associated with those programs – with wrongdoing. That's part of the reason Roy Williams, the men's basketball coach, and Fedora have told prospects that their programs will avoid serious sanctions.

Tomon Fox, a heralded high school linebacker from Georgia, recently committed to unc after discussing the NCAA case with Fedora and Bubba Cunningham, the unc athletic director. Fox said he had worried about possible sanctions, but that Fedora quelled his concerns.

“Coach Fedora told me he talked to an attorney – like, football won't be touched by that,” Fox said. “So I was like, all right, that's good to hear.”

NCAA rules prohibit coaches from publicly discussing high school prospects, and so Fedora is unable to comment on what he has told Fox or any other high school player. Even so, Fedora acknowledged that he has shared with prospects the feedback he has received from the university's attorneys.

“Parts of it are accurate,” Fedora said when asked if recruits are correctly relaying what they've been told. “I mean, you know, if five people go watch a wreck and you interview all five of them asking what they saw, every one of them is going to tell you something different. But it's going to all be right.

“There are parts of that that are right. I feel confident that things are going to turn out good, I really do.”

unc is less than two weeks from the start of the preseason practice. The start of the season is still more than five weeks away.

The unknowns, then, will continue to hang over the season, and questions about what the NCAA Committee on Infractions will decide will endure possibly until next February or March or beyond. It's likely that Fedora and his assistants won't have definitive answers before National Signing Day in February, when prospects sign binding national letters of intent.

Fedora is used to this kind of thing, at least. The questions. The uncertainty.

He has dealt with both since he arrived at unc in early 2012, believing that unc's troubles were soon to be in the past.

Fedora said Tuesday that he wasn't worried about speaking too soon – that he wasn't fearful that his positivity now could come back to haunt him later. If he's wrong about what the NCAA might do, and if his program does suffer from the fallout related to the NCAA investigation, he could have to answer to the same players and parents he has reassured in recent weeks.

Fedora didn't waver Tuesday, though, and reiterated his confidence that his program will be OK.

“It's my job to set a vision for our program and where we want to go as a program,” he said. “And that's what I'm doing. And I'm doing that to the best of my ability and to what I know. And so I'm comfortable with what I'm saying and I'm comfortable with what I'm doing. I really am.

“If I wasn't I wouldn't do it, actually. I'm not going to sell my soul.”


http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article28043668.html
 
The replies are a hoot too...

Joe Mazur‏@joemazurabc11

Fedora "guys come to unc because they know they'll get a world class education".


 
Check out the Chansky link again. "Comments" section. LMAO...

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