What's really going to be the decision.

[ticket2ride04]

Ticket you know UNC is gonna get out of this mess don't you. Well I do too but UNC nation shouldn't be so proud because from that time on college athletics as we know it will never be the same. It will open up a gate so wide that all the cattle in Texas will walk through it. It's dirty no matter how one looks at it and all those involved know it wasn't right and it doesn't happen everywhere either. I like and respect you ticket but if this happened at Duke in no way would I be posting what you have here over at THR. 1st I would have gotten in only one post even if I tried. Wrong is wrong . OFC

I think they survive but it's possible they don't.

Where is disagree:

- it's actually forced UNC to drastically overhaul our AD and we are better for it.
- college athletics has always been dirty. Look at Harvard 100 years ago. The moment you let in any athlete with lower grades/scores bc they can run, shoot, or throw, you sellout.

 

[hpnole]

They'll still do that. It's the Carolina Way.

yep, they will. To heck with all this "how they will be viewed if they skate". I want to see them get clobbered. I still say, if the NCAA lets them off easy, they should never again put anyone on probation for anything.

 

[DevilDJ]

unx fans will never understand/acknowledge one important aspect of this. The "flagship" was the only school in the ACC ( and one of the few in the country! ) who , due to their unwarranted arrogance , held themselves in higher esteem than all other schools. The "carolina way" was the title of Dean's book. The tarhole nation regurgitated that lie for years. "Everybody does it?!" That ship sailed a long time ago for unx because that's not what we were told. Word from the hill was that university was unique when it came to their collegiate athletics programs and their student/athletes. The "play for pay" and academic shenanigans that took place at other schools didn't happen at unx. And when they DID happen at other schools , unx was the first to look down their noses at the offenders. "We don't do things that way here. Dean wouldn't stand for it. We're better than that. The carolina way yada yada yada." It was a lie then and it's a lie now. Heck , I've yet to hear any of 'em concede the willful deceit and hypocrisy. At least man-up and admit to it. Nope. "Contrition" and "humility" are not in their corrupt DNA. Sorry , tarholes. Ya don't get off that easy. It wasn't "everybody does it" UNTIL the "flagship" was outted as being the most egregious cheaters in NCAA history. It's who you are now , it's who you've always been.

 

[Leo2Wes]

Just move on. Control the things you can and let the things you can't work themselves out.

It would certainly stink, but what can you do. There are bigger issues in life than college basketball.

Let me reverse it. If they walk, will you curse the heavens or move on?

"There are bigger issues in life than college basketball." Ticket we agree on something, but unfortunately this is EXACTLY why UNC finds themselves embedded in such a mess. They allowed ATHLETICS to rule over ACADEMICS for two plus decades...

 

[DevilDJ]

unfortunately this is EXACTLY why UNC finds themselves embedded in such a mess. They allowed ATHLETICS to rule over ACADEMICS for two plus decades...

Yep. Ironic that unx fans would say such a thing , no? True , there ARE many bigger issues in life than college basketball but ya wouldn't know it by the way unx has handled the last 5 years. Untold millions in PR , lawyer fees , early retirements , out of court settlements , severance packages , reading "experts" hired to refute a whistleblower ( unsuccessful , btw ) , golden parachutes , hush money , a wrong-headed doc initially designed to exonerate a habitual NCAA offender and God-knows-what else. And what for? To protect wins , banners , the myth of the carolina way and the legacy of at least one basketball coach. That's Powerball kinda money that coulda otherwise gone to a heckuva lotta good in this world. Ya know , maybe it coulda helped a few of those issues BIGGER than college basketball that we've heard so much about. But no. unx has shown exactly what their priorities are. To them , there is no issue BIGGER than college basketball.

 

[Leo2Wes]

Yep, even a former two term governor who handled one highly flawed investigation later admitted he "misspoke." Academic AND ATHLETIC!!!

 

[jarms24]

My guess ...

1. All wins that fall within the timeframe cited by the NCAA (which is a joke, btw) will be vacated. Including Final Fours, Championships, ACC titles, etc.
2. Roy isn't given a show cause, but doesn't need one. He'll plea bargain himself into retirement to avoid the embarrassment.
3. 3 year post season ban
4. Scholarship losses. Possibly 16 over 4 years.
5. 10 year probation.
6. A lot of monies repaid.

 

[LetsGoDukies]

Just move on. Control the things you can and let the things you can't work themselves out.

It would certainly stink, but what can you do. There are bigger issues in life than college basketball.

Let me reverse it. If they walk, will you curse the heavens or move on?

Oh I'll burn the streets down in Chapel Hill lol.. Nah, I feel like there's a 50/50 chance they get hammered vs. skate. I won't be happy if they get a wrist slap and I will still refer to them as cheaters forever. But if that happens then I know that the folks over at Pack Pride won't let up and they will keep exposing the Cheats for what they really are.

 

[dconifer]

Honest moment, I used to be a Carolina Way guy until my brother went through the major D1 recruiting and played college baseball at UNC including 3 college World Series. Saw a lot of stuff behind th scenes with them and other sports. College athletics is just a dirty business. Say what you want, but a lot of these kids are exploited and have no business being at most schools. It's a better topic to discuss in person vs on the board.

My little bro has been in the majors the last four years and that too has changed how much of a fan I can be. Met some pros in a variety of sports and it truly is just a business. You would be surprised how many guys don't have love for the game and justifiably so when you consider what's asked of them. Again, not all of them, but more than you would think.

Solid post and very interesting, Ticket. I've never seen it from the inside, but I have no reason to doubt anything you said based on what little I know...

 

[skysdad]

Sort of a side bar here but has anyone noticed how dingy and dirty looking some of those championship banners have become or is it just me. OFC