tldr, I don’t like or trust our President.
Do you know Israel's history with taking out nuclear capabilities? The Massad has conducted top secret missions dating back to the 60's that have led to 3 major preemptive strikes and none of them have resulted in prolonged wars. I am curious what you think Israel's nefarious plans are. You can question their ruthlessness, right or wrong. But their actions have always be reactionary and for their own survival. Israel has been trying to get the world to deal with Iran because they are an unprovoked enemy of Israel and have sworn to destroy them. After October 7th, Israel decided that they weren't going to wait any longer. I don't blame them. There's nothing nefarious about reducing your enemy's abilities to hurt you.
Ukraine? The country no one on the left wanted to talk about? That Ukraine?
You know that the libs, including you, all tucked tail and ran minus Dattier and a couple of fly bys. So if it is an echo chamber, whoes fault is that?
Just about everyone criticizes Trump for an assortment of things. But you just want everyone to hate him as much as you do. Nothing less is acceptable.
No, I want his supporters to acknowledge his many missteps and blunders. Which they don't. They all fall in line no matter what he says or does.
Because you're impossible to have logical conversations with. He does no wrong in the eyes of MAGA. That's why everyone left. And I should've stayed gone.
Again, nothing but full and total hate for Trump is acceptable to you.
Not true at all. I ha e made civil and logical attempts to conversate with you on topics you brought up and get nothing in response. I asked you a very reasonable question yesterday, in fact, and got nothing. You saying that it is impossible to have a logical conversation with me is just your attempt to have the intellectual high ground. But it's nothing more than a cop out.
It has nothing to do with hate. It's that I can't go to church anymore, where I live, because it's all everyone talks about. It's because I can't have a conversation with people at family events now without it devolving into some rant about how God has ordained him the savior of our time. It's pure insanity. I cannot recall ever seeing this much merchandise worn year-round of a political persona, or the sheer number of flags flying everywhere with his name. It's overkill and sickening. He is treated as a Christ-like figure. Not me ranting. It's true. And God forbid anyone criticize him. There's the derangement.
I would respond and then get some snarky response about TDS. So what's the point?
Well, I get the annoyance. And agree that the merchandise and the flags are a bit much. But no offense, if you can't do the things you want to do because you get so triggered by other people's annoying support for someone else, that's a reflection on you.
Since you tend to speak in generalities and not in specifics , what didn’t you support exactly?
You get the sparky response about TDS because you are incapable of having a conversation without showing your TDS. Inside of that post was a civil and respectful response to your first paragraph that was reasonable.
How's it a reflection on me to enter every church around here on a Sunday and hear more about Trump and politics than Christ?
Seems like there’s been a lot of anger transference from people you know to posters on this board. Contempt prior to investigation.
If true, it doesn't seem like those churches are for you. And probably not good messengers of Christ. I don't go to church so I can't say whether or not that is the case around here. But if it were, I just wouldn't go. Have you spoken up and said something about it? Have you been a member of this church for a long time?
From my point of view, sounds kind of like the Obama years, esp the first term. There were a lot of leg tingles, talk of the oceans receding, and Messiah like imagery being thrown around. I just laughed it off and tried to tune it out. I don’t remember throwing temper tantrums on the Internet but hey you do you.
And they're better off for it. It's not like I gain anything from it.
I don't do that, but okay....
Nah, I see the same type of mental gymnastics going on here to defend him that do in my everyday life.
You get common sense subliminally injected into your body that will, God be willing, one day reach your brain. I'd say that's a gain.
Are you talking about convos before/ after church on the property or comments made by the preacher/ minister during the actual service? I hope I didn’t mangle any of the terminology there.
Churches...plural. I'm no longer a member of any of them. I tried speaking out and was told by the pastor of my father's church that a real Christian would never vote any way but Republican. Then he lied to my dad when my father confronted him over saying that. I've tried countless churches over the last 6-8 years to no avail. They all talked about the democrats or progressives as demonic or anti-American. I have voiced my concerns in many of these institutions, but usually, that leads to ugly conversations. That's why I say that is the absolute derangement.
In the sermons, afterward, church dinners, luncheons, prayer groups, bible study, etc. You name it, and it is there. Do you live in the south? It's pretty rough here, and slim pickings any longer on middle-of-the-road anything. Politics started creeping in more and more about two decades ago. And it has blown up in the last ten years. I generally grew up hearing nothing more than pray for our leaders, no matter who was in office. And that's where I wish it still was.
You must live in a very hilly place in West Virginia or something. (Sarcasm) seems unlikely that, that many churches would be that radical outside of small mountain towns. A lot of church goers I know are democrat.
You have a small point. Yeah, a lot of people hail Trump as the savior. The other part though is many feel there's finally someone who speaks for them. It's one thing to complain about Trump, but to not have more vile for what's been going on for decades before him? Come on. This is where you're showing who you are, and it ain't an Independent.
I live in the south, but it's pretty shortsighted to say "it's pretty rough here." as if your area represents the entire south. It's not rough here. And I am not saying that because it's MAGA country. There are Trump flags here and there. But there's also as many Ukraine flags. I see no less than 5 Ukraine flags every day on my route to work and zero Trump flags. Ukraine flags are the left's version of a MAGA flag. I also see more negative bumber stickers about Musk than I do Trump bumber stickers. Now that I think about it, it is pretty rough here.
I live in North Carolina in a moderately populated area that is as red as you can get politically. However, growing up wasn't like this. When Reagan, Bush, and Clinton were presidents, it was pray for your leaders. Around the time of 9/11, it started to change. That has heightened to the point of causing me nausea under Trump. I want to hear about Christ, not the hero worship of a political figure who has risen to a Christ-like status among these folks around here. I tried a few places in a larger city nearby, and eventually I got it there too, so I gave up on it.
The multi-billionaire who has had everything handed to him screams 'middle America'. Again, I have been to churches, plural. Probably a dozen or more in the last six to eight years.
“The situation escalated”.
We have a regular at our bar who is a Trumper. We've asked him not to wear his hat. Not told him not to, but asked him not to. He has been asked to leave more times than the people who engage with him. Which is a shame, because his only crime was wearing a hat or a shirt. But he gets a little animated when people call him out for wearing it. It is kind of funny, because he and this older guy who is an old school democrat are always trading jabs while playing a game of pool. That's a good kind of political jarring.
I'm not an isolationist, though. I understand that at times war is necessary. The problem is that I struggle to see justification for entering into conflicts in most cases. I have never comprehended the fixation on the left with Ukraine and the war with Russia. It did lead to inflated military spending on our end. This has affected our infrastructure and social programs by diverting much-needed resources from our own domestic needs to Ukraine. I recognize the humanitarian crisis and the need there. But now there's even more instability in the region, which has affected other countries around them because of the refugees, which is something we cause with every war we get entangled in. Look at Libya, they said that was a success and months later that place was a shitshow. Do I know the correct answer? No. However, I do agree with Trump's original desire to end the war, though he has been quiet on it lately.
I wouldn't care if I ran a business if someone wore a Trump hat or piece of clothing as long as it didn't lead to people getting into it. And I would say that if they had on Obama, Biden, Clinton, Harris, and so on. I will say that a lady came into the place I work wearing a Harris shirt one day, and several of the other employees were upset by it. I simply told them you can't be alright with the Trump gear and then get upset when one person shows up sporting something with Harris on it. I am usually the favorite boss, not that day, haha
