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Mac9192 said:
When violence happens, and there were videos of loons throwing rocks at LE vehicles, and breaking windows, you're right, arrest them. The military was brought in to squash the trouble, not stop the protesting.

You did ok until the part about yourself participating in a march, "Had LEO been flexing, it might have incited something." Such a pitiful comment.

I subscribe to the thinking that they DIDN'T HAVE TO FLEX BECAUSE THE MARCH WAS PEACEFUL.
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I stand by everything in that post and how far I got before you disagree is of no interest to me.
I am very confident that LEO frequently flex preemptively and I believe very firmly that they hold a greater responsibility for keeping the peace than protesters do.
I saw a video of an unarmed woman approaching a line of police in riot gear asking if she could go home. They were blocking her way. She lived on that block. She wasn’t aggressive; she wasn’t within 15 feet of them; she had no weapon. They shot her with a rubber bullet. She could have been cursing at them and flipping them off and that still wouldn’t have been warranted because they have authority that means a greater responsibility to be above emotion and to keep things from escalating.
 
KDSTONE said:
So I’m supposed to credit someone for not breaking the law? The first day they didn’t have a permit and were blocking freeways, so they were all breaking the law. You may think this is cute, but people with jobs to get to, churches, synagogues, and mosques to get to, don’t find it all that amusing.
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Not actively, but saying they were nonviolent because they were cowards? Seriously?

I don’t think standing up/sitting down for what you believe is a just cause is cute. That’s condescending.

Protests that happen in some out of the way place at a time that’s convenient for everyone are not why they’re protected under the 1st Amendment.
 
Dattier said:
I don’t see it.
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The leaders of the Pro Pali movement want to replace the lone democracy in the region where gays and religious minorities have rights and replace it with a theocratic regime that condones killing gays and the subjugation of women and children. Liberals claim to champion the underdog and human rights, but it seems to be selective in this case.
If liberals truly wanted the war to be over, they would demand the release of the hostages and Hamas’ surrender, but they never call for that, bc that interferes with their “ Israel is the villain” narrative. They’re against the GHF aid, because this bypasses Hamas. Hamas steals most of the UN aid so protesters are in favor of the status quo.
 
Dattier said:
Not actively, but saying they were nonviolent because they were cowards? Seriously?

I don’t think standing up/sitting down for what you believe is a just cause is cute. That’s condescending.

Protests that happen in some out of the way place at a time that’s convenient for everyone are not why they’re protected under the 1st Amendment.
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If the goal is to change hearts and minds, then disrupting an entire city seems an odd way to go about it.
 
Dattier said:
I stand by everything in that post and how far I got before you disagree is of no interest to me.
I am very confident that LEO frequently flex preemptively and I believe very firmly that they hold a greater responsibility for keeping the peace than protesters do.
I saw a video of an unarmed woman approaching a line of police in riot gear asking if she could go home. They were blocking her way. She lived on that block. She wasn’t aggressive; she wasn’t within 15 feet of them; she had no weapon. They shot her with a rubber bullet. She could have been cursing at them and flipping them off and that still wouldn’t have been warranted because they have authority that means a greater responsibility to be above emotion and to keep things from escalating.
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You should post the video. We’d all like to see it for ourselves.
 
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KDSTONE said:
Okay. I’ll bite. What kind of march?
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Like most liberal actions if this type, the desire to be a “big tent” muddled the message and made it an unfocused, inarticulate hot mess.

I was recruited to marshal under the guise of its being about immigration and deportations. When I got there, it was also about public education, which is fine as a presence in support of our vulnerable students, but ended up being about school budgets, too. It was also about pro-Palestine/anti-Israel, and worker rights, and voting rights, and pretty much every complaint about our President under the Sun.
 
KDSTONE said:
The leaders of the Pro Pali movement want to replace the lone democracy in the region where gays and religious minorities have rights and replace it with a theocratic regime that condones killing gays and the subjugation of women and children. Liberals claim to champion the underdog and human rights, but it seems to be selective in this case.
If liberals truly wanted the war to be over, they would demand the release of the hostages and Hamas’ surrender, but they never call for that, bc that interferes with their “ Israel is the villain” narrative. They’re against the GHF aid, because this bypasses Hamas. Hamas steals most of the UN aid so protesters are in favor of the status quo.
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What does that have to do with NIMBY?
 
KDSTONE said:
You should post the video. We’d all like to see it for ourselves.
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I don’t know how. I saw it on Facebook, embedded from TikTok.
I only dared mention it because I was responding to a post where @Mac9192 referenced videos without posting a link. I figured maybe I’d receive similar grace, but I guess not.
 
When protesters disrupt travel and free movement, libs always go to their talking point. Protests are meant to be disruptive and make people feel uncomfortable.

I am not arguing against your constitutional rights to gather and protest. And I am not saying that nothing good has ever come from a protest. But the way they are conducted today is dumb as hell. Blocking traffic, shutting down blocks, affecting businesses, taunting cops and non participants in their hissy fit. Then the media will shape the narrative after agitators turn it violent by saying their favorite line. Mostly peaceful. And then of course, blame LEO for escalating and excuse the criminals (yes, criminals) who burn, loot and assault.
 
Dattier said:
Not what I thought. I’m gonna pass on engaging you about Palestine based on your post.
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Coward. Of course you will.

“Palestine”. Right.
An invented people in the 60s to rally Muslims to destroy Israel. Who invented it? The Soviet Union and Arab leaders. Prior to the 60s if you used the word Palestinian you were as likely referring to a Jew or Christian. The term referred to someone from the region of Palestine; it wasn’t a distinct ethnicity. They were called Arabs.
It’s astonishing the lies the Left falls for.
 
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GhostOf301 said:
When protesters disrupt travel and free movement, libs always go to their talking point. Protests are meant to be disruptive and make people feel uncomfortable.

I am not arguing against your constitutional rights to gather and protest. And I am not saying that nothing good has ever come from a protest. But the way they are conducted today is dumb as hell. Blocking traffic, shutting down blocks, affecting businesses, taunting cops and non participants in their hissy fit. Then the media will shape the narrative after agitators turn it violent by saying their favorite line. Mostly peaceful. And then of course, blame LEO for escalating and excuse the criminals (yes, criminals) who burn, loot and assault.
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How is that different from how protests have been conducted in the past?

Why do we need the right to protest enshrined in the Constitution if not because protests are inconvenient and disruptive? It’s the same amendment that covers free speech, meaning a public university should support a campus group’s invitation for Jordan Peterson to speak on campus, regardless of how uncomfortable that makes transgendered people.
 
Dattier said:
You’re not being honest with yourself if you’re calling me a coward.

Why don’t you ask me what I thought of the pro-Palestine/anti-Israel element at that march I marshaled?
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Why don’t you just tell me if you’ve got something you’d like to share?
 
That’s weird. First you go back and edit your post after I replied to it, now you’re quoting me for some reason but not actually responding.
 
Dattier said:
That’s weird. First you go back and edit your post after I replied to it, now you’re quoting me for some reason but not actually responding.
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Okay. How’s this?
What was your impression of the pro Pali element at that March you marshaled?
 
KDSTONE said:
Okay. How’s this?
What was your impression of the pro Pali element at that March you marshaled?
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Yeah, that's right. You ask what I tell you to ask, punk.

I thought it was terrible. It completely ignored Israel's right to exist, that Hamas started the (overt) violence this time around, and that it's a really, really complicated situation. If I had a better ear for it, I probably could have identified antisemitic insinuations, if not outright language. The tone certainly did nothing to dissuade me of that possibility.
 
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Dattier said:
Yeah, that's right. You ask what I tell you to ask, punk.

I thought it was terrible. It completely ignored Israel's right to exist, that Hamas started the (overt) violence this time around, and that it's a really, really complicated situation. If I had a better ear for it, I probably could have identified antisemitic insinuations, if not outright language. The tone certainly did nothing to dissuade me of that possibility.
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Thanks for sharing that.
A decade or two ago it seemed to be more about peace: two state solution is what we heard. The BDS component has always been there, but from my admittedly biased perspective it seems mostly about vilifying Israel at this point. Many appear to support Hamas, some openly some not, and don’t seem to want more moderate leadership in Gaza or the West Bank. Until someone is in power who at least recognizes Israel’s right to exist, a two state solution is off the table. Israel forcibly removed every last Jew from Gaza as a show of good faith and that accomplished nothing.
So it’s odd to me that they never demand for Hamas to surrender and step down. All Israel all the time.
 
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Also, I'm not sure, but I think it's LAPD who did that. Gov Newsom and Mayor Bass have said they do not want outside LEO involved -- which is a major, major reason I fault our President for mobilizing the National Guard and Marines -- but that's not to say that LAPD are necessarily going to do everything right. (Not to mention that the FBI is what would actually be "outside LEO"; the National Guard and Marines are military.)

And that makes it really weird that the LAPD are somehow being cast as some political counterpoint to our President. It's kinda like when the Cheneys or Bushes align themselves with the other side of the aisle. LAPD is still the scandal-tainted, distrusted dept it has always been, yet y'all here haven't hesitated to write them off as nothing more than a mouthpiece for a Democratic mayor.
 
KDSTONE said:
Appears to be the one.

LA police filmed shooting woman point-blank with ‘less lethal’ round
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/11/la-police-shoot-woman-point-blank?CMP=share_btn_url
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First. There was no excuse for them to shoot her. No lethal or not. That said, the video started after there were already orders for her to back up. She can be a victim of excessive force (she is) and be non compliant at the same time. If this happened as advertised, that is super fvcked up. If she was being defiant because she didn't think they should be telling her what to do and decided to challenge the cops, it's still fvcked up to shoot her, but she isn't as innocent as they are telling us she is. I am sure this will be perceived as making excuses for the cops, but I just think it is a common sense response.
 
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GhostOf301 said:
First. There was no excuse for them to shoot her. No lethal or not. That said, the video started after there were already orders for her to back up. She can be a victim of excessive force (she is) and be non compliant at the same time. If this happened as advertised, that is super fvcked up. If she was being defiant because she didn't think they should be telling her what to do and decided to challenge the cops, it's still fvcked up to shoot her, but she isn't as innocent as they are telling us she is. I am sure this will be perceived as making excuses for the cops, but I just think it is a common sense response.
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Honestly I’m not sure what they’re trained to do in this situation, but it seemed as if she were holding her ground when they shot her. If she made a dash towards them, it would make sense to use nonlethal force. Even though she appeared to be unarmed, they don’t know that for sure. Cops are human to be sure, but it looks to a layman’s eyes that this one went off book.
 
GhostOf301 said:
I am sure this will be perceived as making excuses for the cops, but I just think it is a common sense response.
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It kinda depends, for whatever my opinion is worth. Do you mean that the cops’ response is a common sense response, or that your response is a common sense response, or both?
Because if it’s the former, you’re absolutely making excuses for the cops. If it’s the latter, or both, I’m interested in hearing more.
 
Dattier said:
It kinda depends, for whatever my opinion is worth. Do you mean that the cops’ response is a common sense response, or that your response is a common sense response, or both?
Because if it’s the former, you’re absolutely making excuses for the cops. If it’s the latter, or both, I’m interested in hearing more.
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I clearly said the cops were in the wrong, no matter which scenario.
 
GhostOf301 said:
I clearly said the cops were in the wrong, no matter which scenario.
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I'm used to the people who say things like "she isn't as innocent as" leveraging that into a justification for shooting. Upon rereading, it's clear you're not doing that, and since you're not, it actually supports what I was saying about LEO being held to a higher standard: a person doesn't have to be innocent in order to not deserve being shot.
 
Who here would join the protesters in causing chaos for $200/day? Apparently that's the going rate.
 
GhostOf301 said:
Who here would join the protesters in causing chaos for $200/day? Apparently that's the going rate.
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Many on the Left are saying that Trump’s “paid insurrectionist” claims are the latest conspiracy theory. Really?
The claims may have no merit, time will tell, but conspiracy theory? They’re going down this road again?
Talk about slow learners.
 
KDSTONE said:
Many on the Left are saying that Trump’s “paid insurrectionist” claims are the latest conspiracy theory. Really?
The claims may have no merit, time will tell, but conspiracy theory? They’re going down this road again?
Talk about slow learners.
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"Paid protesters" has been a rumor for years. Where is any proof?
 
KDSTONE said:
Hopefully the FBI will find what they need. If there is definitive proof, would you change your overall stance re: these protests? We’ll see.

mynbc15.com

FBI to investigate funding anti-ICE protests; organizations involved

The FBI says it is now investigating the funding behind the anti-ICE protests in Los Angeles.
mynbc15.com mynbc15.com
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The questions was about proof, after years and years of rumors. You share an article that the FBI is currently investigating. It's odd to me that y'all dismiss the LAPD chief as a puppet of the mayor, but don't think the same of Director Patel when our President is well known for valuing loyalty to him above all other qualifications in the people around him.
 
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