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You realize that you keep using George Floyd as an example and he got 4 officers locked up on top of billions in damages, dozens of deaths and many more businesses and jobs lost, right? You think you got me on this one? It absolutely was not an effort to demonstrate how the system is working for a white guy. It was an example of how it's not just black people who are unjustly killed by the police. You're not on your game today.
Yeah, nobody has to worry about it because he got justice before 9 months were up. If his murder was a pregnancy, it was still abortable in Greenland and his killer was already convicted.
Gosh, it's almost as if hiring a prominent civil rights attorney makes sense.
So because the victim was Black and the cop was white it’s automatically racism. Why wasn’t the cop charged with hate crimes then?
You still haven’t answered my question. I get the hiring part, we’ve covered that. What did Crump actually do for this family?
George Floyd didn't get anything but murdered. Derek Chauvin got himself locked up, and I guess you could say he was more directly related to billions in damages, dozens of deaths, and many more businesses and jobs lost, but personally, I believe in holding those people who did all of that responsible. Personal responsibility and all that, doncha kno.
Ohhhhh! So in using the example of Hunter Brittain you inadvertently demonstrated how well the system works for white people. Gotcha.
In case you're keeping score, George Floyd's death on camera took almost 11 months for a conviction that conservatives are still protesting today while mocking Floyd's death. Hunter Brittain's killer was convicted in under 9 months without any video evidence.
Are you sure you actually looked it up? Seriously, @GhostOf301 , save your boy from further embarrassment. Oops, I mean mensch; save your mensch from further embarrassment.
You still haven't answered my question, even though I put it in italics and larger font the second time I asked: "How is [claiming that another defendant is denied his constitutional right to a fair trial] any different from a grieving Black family thinking "another Black person killed unjustly by police who are gonna get away with it"?
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Sure, if you believe the government and don't do your own research.
Am I doing it right, @Mac9192 ? @Dahntay#1
Speaking of embarrassing, mensch is not synonymous with boy, not even close If it’s used as a slur, I’m not aware of it, but maybe you’ve heard it used that way at one of your pro- Pali meetings. Odd comments all around from you. You’ve even got your biggest supporter here calling you a bitch. Like I said, maybe you need some fresh air.
Still ignoring the entire point so you can harp on how long it takes for convictions. You support victimhood and refuse to accept that anything involving white vs black isn't automatically due to race. Overwhelmingly, it is due to circumstances that can't be controlled. Are you one of those who thinks only black LEO should respond to black crimes, emergencies or civil issues?
I know! I looked it up first to male sure I was using it properly. Weird how you would assume the worst. Paranoid much?
You didn’t use it properly. That was my point. Are you sure you’re okay today?
Don't bring me into this @Dattier. I know you're getting your ass handed to you lately. I'm minding my own business, just sitting over here eating popcorn and drinking a cola, with a smile on my face.
School is out, maybe shut the interweb down for a while and reboot yourself.
School is out, maybe shut the interweb down for a while and reboot yourself.
Say his name: Hunter Brittain.
Your intended point was that no one had heard of him because he was white? Yeah, got it. Does @KDSTONE get it now, too?
Your unintended point is that he got justice and got it quickly, which is starkly different from the experience of many Black victims. If that were the norm, they wouldn't suspect racism was involved quite so often. If that were the norm, they'd trust the system and be more patient with the time it takes to run its course.
I do not think only Black LEO should respond to Black crimes, emergencies, or civil issues. Those who do demonstrate a misunderstanding of institutional racism, too.
Wait, what? Where did I ever say this case was an example of racism or that race was a factor?
It's okay if you're too insecure to apologize, @GhostOf301 . I forgive you anyway.
Do any of y'all remember the OJ Simpson murder trial? I was fresh out of undergrad and thought I knew everything, kinda like @Dahntay#1 is now. I remember being really surprised that so many Black people really thought he didn't do it. It was a really eye-opening example for me of how different people's perceptions can be based on their experience along racial lines. And since I'm not an arrogant conservative windbag who thinks my own experience is all it takes to understand what's best for everybody, it became an occasion for humble growth and empathy. I had encountered rude individual LEO by that time in my life, but I'd never felt personally railroaded by the justice system as a whole. Still haven't. That has not been everyone's experience, and my immense capacity for humility, empathy, and intellect helped me see that.
Now, there remains absolutely no doubt in my mind that OJ murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. Fortunately, since I'm not an arrogant conservative windbag who thinks my own experience should be leveraged into judging everyone else as inferior, I recognize that it' wasn't a case of so many Black people being stupid, but that so many Black people really distrusted the justice system that much. And because I'm not an arrogant conservative windbag, I don't call them brainwashed or indoctrinated by the media or liberal politicians and figureheads. I respect their thinking as a product of their experience.
Other notes:
* OJ was rich and could afford very successful defense lawyers who did their job well. Wealth frequently overcomes whatever lack of privilege in other areas someone might have stacked against them.
* Were people wrong in their belief that OJ was framed because he was Black? I absolutely think so. Does that negate their suspicion? Not in the least. Every time you open your door cautiously when someone knocks, gun or big dog at your side, finding it to be someone of benign intent does not invalidate your initial wariness.
* In retrospect, the prosecution screwed up big time and OJ's defense team was brilliant, and the jury's not guilty verdict was well warranted on those grounds.
You keep trying to make my point for me. We are not talking about the proceeding trials and how long after the events. We are talking about people being shot by police. You want to use my one, single example and say, ah ha!!! That cop was prosecuted only 9 months later because the kid he killed was white. As if there aren't examples of white people who didn't get timely justice or black people who did get timely justice.
Try to stay focused. I get to decide what point I am making, you don’t. The point is, white people get shot by police in the same manner as black people do, all of the time. It is a rare occasion that race has a role in it. You just want to continue treating black people as if they are victims of a crule and racist system. As if their encounters with LEO are unique.
So you never used words to say that it was an example of racism. What you did was use actions. You responded to KD's challenging of the notion that it was an example of racism by asking him if he had seen the video, as if the video was the evidence he was asking for. Tell me why I wasn't supposed to come ro the conclusion that you agreed with bull city that this was an example of racism and I'll consider giving you an apology. But I am not reading your book.
My mention of the video had to do with the visuals of what happened. It had nothing to do with race. I did not address what he said about race in that post at all, and later, I said this:
Since then, I have done nothing but present the case for why Black people might be inclined to suspect racism, and you can't even be respectful of that.
You don't get to decide what points you inadvertently and accidentally make.
If news of white people being shot by police never gets as much attention, my guess is that it's because there are less often external circumstances to consider and there is greater confidence that they will receive justice in court.
Y'all never hesitate to ask if a Black person in a great job was a DEI hire; why is it unreasonable for Black people to wonder if race was a factor in yet another LEO-related shooting death?
How many of these tragic incidents could have been prevented had the accused listened to the LEO? What 80, 90%, or perhaps maybe almost all of them? In no way am I saying the cops are right.
If I get pulled over for say, a speeding ticket, and I argue, don't listen to them... what's the odds I wind up finding myself in cuffs? I'm not going to win right there.
If I get pulled over for say, a speeding ticket, and I argue, don't listen to them... what's the odds I wind up finding myself in cuffs? I'm not going to win right there.
Some of you have probably seen this video. But for those that haven’t, check it out. This is exactly how Dattier, and other white liberals, view black people.
The media has done such a great job of telling the false narrative of White Conservatives and Republicans being the “racist” ones. It’s funny that White Conservatives treat me as their equal while white liberals treat me like a handicapped charity case. Honestly speaking, a lot of black people are okay with it. I’m not one of them.
I think @Dattier has done a good job of exposing himself over the past couple of days.
The media has done such a great job of telling the false narrative of White Conservatives and Republicans being the “racist” ones. It’s funny that White Conservatives treat me as their equal while white liberals treat me like a handicapped charity case. Honestly speaking, a lot of black people are okay with it. I’m not one of them.
I think @Dattier has done a good job of exposing himself over the past couple of days.
Guess what? There’s a culture that is raised to never ever cooperate or respect cops. And oh yeah, if a crime is committed, never ever help the cops solve the crime. If this is accepted in your culture, of course you’re going to have altercations with the cops.
You are doing it again. You are trying to determine what point I am making.
White people get shot and no one talks about it. Not my point.
Whatever happens in the justice system afterwards. Not my point.
White people get shot by police in the same manner as black people do all the time. My point.
I am not falling into your trap by talking about apples and oranges with DEI. That's another one of your controlling tactics.
When black people are raised to believe that the system is racist against them and that cops are their enemies. Then they see nothing but negative race coverage on the news and they see nothing but black people being shot by police on the news. (Even though white people get shot by the police in the same manner as black people do all of the time) they are going to automatically assume race is a factor. Not that hard. And again, YOU are a huge contributor to this mindset. Progressives are the only reason why there will never be progress.
Yet voter id laws are racist but the following: A-ok.
The last sentence below is key:
Rather than getting voter Id’s to those who are supposedly disenfranchised, they’re trying to end the laws. Hmmm.
24 things that require a photo ID - Washington Examiner
Voter-ID laws continue to get a lot of attention, and proponents of the law are being drowned out by opponents claiming the laws discriminate against certain voters. Rather than getting IDs to the people who are supposedly disenfranchised, opponents spend their efforts trying to end the laws...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
By focusing on what dead people coulda woulda shoulda done, you kinda are saying the cops are right. It's pretty much like blaming a rape victim for what they wore or for drinking too much.
And that's certainly the advice I'd give anyone who wanted it: to listen, be respectful, and comply with legal directives. For people who don't trust LEO and think it's going to end badly for them regardless, what difference is it going to make?
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You brought out the big guns days ago with Malcolm X's take-down of pre-1965 white liberals, only to learn I use that interview myself as a means of checking people, including myself, against being that toxic ally. Now you're reduced to this, and claiming again to know what I think, against everything I present here.
You're doing it again. You think what you want to communicate is the only thing you're communicating.
But okay, okay, let's set aside the high likelihood of white victims getting justice as a reason why no one talks about it and focus on the bold, which you claim is your point.
You're using the example of Hunter Brittain to represent "the same manner" in which Black people get shot all the time. I, for one, think "the same manner" is awful.
Say his name,
Hunter Brittain!
Say it a-gain,
Hunter Brittain! It has a nice rhythm to it. You could probably make a folk song out of it.
Everything that happened afterward exposes the difference. But go ahead and limit the conversation to what you think and you believe.
I'm a contributor and progressives are the ONLY reason, uh huh, yeah, sure. Let me know when you want to have adult conversations about this again.
Courts struck down NC's previous voter ID law for being clinically precise in targeting BIPOC voters. The NC GOP chair at the time, Dallas Woodhouse, didn't even deny that; he just claimed it was good strategy. I'd call that racist. I can't find links to it at the mo, but I'm doing my best to use their exact language.Yet voter id laws are racist but the following: A-ok.
The last sentence below is key:
Rather than getting voter Id’s to those who are supposedly disenfranchised, they’re trying to end the laws. Hmmm.
24 things that require a photo ID - Washington Examiner
Voter-ID laws continue to get a lot of attention, and proponents of the law are being drowned out by opponents claiming the laws discriminate against certain voters. Rather than getting IDs to the people who are supposedly disenfranchised, opponents spend their efforts trying to end the laws...
It makes logical sense to have voter IDs. I suspect that in 20 years we will all have them and no one will have a problem with it anymore. And then conservatives will lie about the process it took to get there and claim liberals just shut up and everyone adjusted. What we're experiencing now, though, is the process through which we make sure we do it right. As logical as it seems to all of us here to have ID, it is an undeniable fact that many legal voters do not have ID. So theoretical logic cannot be the end of the discussion. How we get there matters.
I agree with most of the bold. I think your photo ID pic ought to be taken at the time you register to vote. It could be updated every 10 years or so at the polls. That would require resources I don't think the GOP is willing to allocate. Until they are willing to put resources into whatever reasonable plan there is, expect resistance. The people pushing so hard for the voter ID requirement should also be leading the charge in getting those IDs to people. They ought to be doing that first, in fact.
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That’s what you got out of my post? In this world Datt, if one can’t follow basic rules, they’re going to struggle. Whether we like cops or not, you’re better off listening. It’s pretty simple.
"that's certainly the advice I'd give anyone who wanted it: to listen, be respectful, and comply with legal directives."
For as well as you write and how great your vocabulary is, you are a very immature person.
I am not attempting to limit the conversation. I am trying to stick to the conversation. Something you struggle dearly with. You want to bounce the conversation around to where you can manipulate it and control it. Get it to where you think you have an advantage.
The conversation is about why you assume that because a black person is killed by a white cop, it is because they are black. It's not about what happens afterwards. It's about the initial even that led to the killing. If you see a video of a black person pulling away from a traffic stop and the cop shoots him as he drives off. That cop shot him because he was black. That's your initial assumption. If you see a white person pulling away from a traffic stop and the cop shoots him as he drives off. Well, couldn't have been racism, why did he shoot him? The whole conversation is about why people automatically assume that race is a factor without evidence. You have asked, I have answered why it is unreasonable for people to make assumptions.
Says the guy who misrepresents me and claims the people he disagrees with are the only problem.
Yes, yes you are. That's not how conversations work. All participants can bring in related issues and demonstrate how they're connected. I already have an advantage based on writang sklilz and vocabulating.
This morning I accepted the narrow focus you thought was such a walk-off home run: "White people get shot by police in the same manner as black people do all the time." Then I disagreed with it. I'll disagree further: (1) a single example does not prove "all the time"; (2) "in the same manner" doesn't mean anything without context other than the physics of a bullet hitting a body.
Loss of life is always tragic. Loss of life due to the questionable decisions of LEO adds a layer to that. Hunter Brittain's family hired a prominent civil rights attorney. There were protests. Al Sharpton spoke at his funeral. (Gee wilikers, I guess there are more similarities to when Black people are killed by LEO under questionable circumstances... other than conservatives criticizing it.)
Writing skills and vocabulary do not give you an advantage for anything other than that. Just another example of what kind of arrogance and narcissism you carry with you.
You can't even wrap your head around what a single topic is. What happens afterwards has nothing to do with the reason it happened. So you think they are connected, but they're not.
I gave a single example. There are twice as many white people shot by cops as black people, every year. Yes, I know the percentages are still higher with black people. But you'll ignore a very logical reason for the disparities. But you get caught up on the single example as if there aren't hundreds of other examples. Your arrogance and your ignorance won't allow you to not get hung up on a single example by giving every detail of why that single example can (in your mind) be used to your advantage.
The protests were peaceful and outside of the sheriff's office. Aimed at the department where the person who killed Brittain worked. Not aimed at people trying to get to work or home or wherever they are trying to travel. Not aimed at businesses that had nothing to do with it. Not aimed at people's cars who just so happened be parked in the wrong place at the wrong time. But, my intention wasn't to harp on this particular case. It was just a single example of how it isn't just black people who are killed by police. Meaning that there can be other reasons outside of race to consider. But you support the assumption that it is due to race.
Either way, we've spent enough time on this.
You can't even wrap your head around what a single topic is. What happens afterwards has nothing to do with the reason it happened. So you think they are connected, but they're not.
I gave a single example. There are twice as many white people shot by cops as black people, every year. Yes, I know the percentages are still higher with black people. But you'll ignore a very logical reason for the disparities. But you get caught up on the single example as if there aren't hundreds of other examples. Your arrogance and your ignorance won't allow you to not get hung up on a single example by giving every detail of why that single example can (in your mind) be used to your advantage.
The protests were peaceful and outside of the sheriff's office. Aimed at the department where the person who killed Brittain worked. Not aimed at people trying to get to work or home or wherever they are trying to travel. Not aimed at businesses that had nothing to do with it. Not aimed at people's cars who just so happened be parked in the wrong place at the wrong time. But, my intention wasn't to harp on this particular case. It was just a single example of how it isn't just black people who are killed by police. Meaning that there can be other reasons outside of race to consider. But you support the assumption that it is due to race.
Either way, we've spent enough time on this.
Uh-huh, because "writang sklilz and vocabulating" is oh-so serious.
You mean the hiring of the civil rights attorney, the protests, the investigation, the trial, and the conviction were all separate instances having nothing to do with each other or with Hunter Brittain's death? Was the trial scheduled before he died?
Am I ignoring that very logical reason here, or did you not state what it is? If it's going to be another bc accusation of what I do and why it's progressives' fault, you're not being ignored. You're being confronted.
If this is your talking point, get control of it.
Oh, it's just a single example but I shouldn't focus on how it's a single example? I should give you credit for hundreds of examples because you presented one?
Are you under the impression that I believe only Black people are killed by LEO? If so, I was giving you more credit than you deserved.
I do not support that assumption, and as I have told you this multiple times, at this point I conclude that you're not just wrong, you're willfully lying.
I support looking into whether race was a factor where the circumstances of the individual case warrant it. Was race a factor in Hunter Brittain's death? I found no indication in any reporting anywhere that it was. Were his civil rights violated? I would say so. Are civil rights for white people, too? Yes. Why is race suspected of possibly being a factor in many instances where the dead person is BIPOC? Because of a history of racism in this country that isn't over yet. What do I mean it isn't over yet? Systemic/structural/institutional racism is real. And I think that brings us full circle.
Then stMLu and prove it.
