Have you seen footage of the shooting? It's on YouTube. She was cowering and apologizing just before the police advanced and shot her.
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Please tell me what evidence you have that this was because of race and not just you playing into the media and liberal playbook by ASSUMING it had to do with race.
And it was terrible. Cop should be put down by firing squad. But where is the evidence that it was an example of racism?
Where did I claim that this was a justified shooting? I was asking for evidence this was racism
Haven’t seen it. This is an example of those on the Left getting upset/ angry and by default blame racism not for any logical reason but that you’ve been doing it for so long you don’t know another way to respond
KD and Ghost, you are assuming I am left which I’m not, unlike others I think both sides have some extreme views. Neither side is correct on every single view.
The Deputy Sheriffs had no business going into the residence for a welfare check once it was established the woman was fine. If you watch the whole video, the Deputy was disrespectful to her during the whole encounter. Imagine if it was one of your family members gunned down in the same situation Massey was by a person of an opposite race, what would be running through your mind? The Deputy Sheriff also had been reprimanded at two previous law enforcement agencies. He disobeyed an order from his Supervisor at the Logan County Sheriff’s Office to stop a pursuit and ended up hitting a deer with his squad car.
I live close to where the murder happened. If any of you try to justify the murder, you are Morons, period.
The Deputy Sheriffs had no business going into the residence for a welfare check once it was established the woman was fine. If you watch the whole video, the Deputy was disrespectful to her during the whole encounter. Imagine if it was one of your family members gunned down in the same situation Massey was by a person of an opposite race, what would be running through your mind? The Deputy Sheriff also had been reprimanded at two previous law enforcement agencies. He disobeyed an order from his Supervisor at the Logan County Sheriff’s Office to stop a pursuit and ended up hitting a deer with his squad car.
I live close to where the murder happened. If any of you try to justify the murder, you are Morons, period.
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Again, asking for evidence of racism and justifying the murder are miles apart. This is that “you’re either with us or against us” mindset too prevalent now on both sides of the political spectrum. I’m not discounting the possibility of racism, just asking for evidence before another jury pool is irrevocably tainted like in the Chauvin trial.
You state that the deputy was “disrespectful” to her, as if this bolsters your argument. Oh look this guy’s an asshole, he must be a racist. This cop’s life is on the line. If hate crimes are brought, I hope they’re relying more on assumptions and confirmation bias to prove their case. Making race a factor isn’t necessary to make murder charges stick, but the media’s coverage may make a fair trial impossible.
You make the case that he was a rogue cop, but not that he was a racist. I’ll ask you like I asked Dattier: where has anyone on this board attempted to justify the cop’s actions?
I didn't assume anything. I said you were using the media and liberal playbook by assuming that race played a role. You still didn't provide any evidence that it was. He was an asshole and conducted himself in an appalling manner even without the unjust killing of the woman. Everything points to the unfortunate fact that this man was criminally unfit to be an officer of the law. But nothing here shows that he treated her the way he did because of her race.
Your last comment was silly an unnecessary as both of us that you are talking to have already condemned this killing. So what would give you the idea that we would defend it?
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I agree that the media sucks, as I stated days ago I really don’t pay attention to the media because I have more important stuff to do with my time. He committed 1st Degree Murder.
We’re all influenced by the media like it or not. You and Datt said y’all watched it on YouTube. If the races of those involved had been switched, would it have been posted in the first place? Probably not; sometimes they’ll use the “don’t want to incite violence against Blacks” or don’t want to prejudice future jury pools excuses. White defendants aren’t afforded that luxury.
The media’s reporting of these cases is so overwhelmingly emotion- based that you have citizens of all races asked on the street to estimate how many Blacks are killed by police every year and they’ll answer things like 50,000 100k.
Literally the entire student bodies of Duke, Wake, and UNC combined killed by cops in one year. The same people are not surprisingly shocked when they find out more whites are killed by cops, not per capita but in raw numbers which is surprising to them since the national media picks up zero % of these murders.
It’ll all depend on what the Jury decides. If the jury decides the Deputy was provoked (which I don’t believe he was by being told he was rebuked in the name of Jesus)
then yes you will be correct that he’ll be found guilty of 2nd degree murder.
KD, I agree with you that Black on White Crime isn’t reported the same as White on Black crime is reported.
There are racists in every single race. There are good in every race and hate in every race.
I live by the mantra, “treat others how you would want to be treated”
1st degree murder is intentional and premeditated. Nothing to do with whether they were provoked. It's not there.
Strong case for 2nd degree murder. Which is unplanned but intentional. His best case (assuming he is convicted) would be reckless homicide or even lesser, unintentional manslaughter. Which wouldn't be justice, IMO.
Strong case for 2nd degree murder. Which is unplanned but intentional. His best case (assuming he is convicted) would be reckless homicide or even lesser, unintentional manslaughter. Which wouldn't be justice, IMO.
Yup. Not sure how the Illinois code is worded, but IDP is how I remember learning it. Intent, deliberation and premeditation are normally the elements. Intent is present in this case but not the other two.
Nothing to do with this case. But 1st degree murder is also a gamble for the prosecution if the judge doesn't allow the jury to consider lesser charges. One of the cases I studied in training was a teenage girl who found out her boyfriend was cheating on her with her best friend. She was driving with both of them in her car and allegedly told the boyfriend that she was going to drive the car into a tree and kill all three of them. He texts his father and tells him that she was going to kill him. And sure enough, she crashed going 100mph killing her boyfriend and her best friend. But miraculously survived, herself, though badly injured.
The prosecution put forth first degree murder charges but was denied allowing the jury to consider lesser charges because the prosecution had already rested before telling the jury they could consider 2nd degree murder or manslaughter Even with the text message presented as evidence and a clear motive, the jury said the prosecution couldn't prove that it was premeditated. So that girl got to go free.
Casey Anthony is another example of the prosecution throwing all of their eggs into one basket.
No doubt. It sets a high bar for the prosecution and can backfire.
First degree murder charges are usually necessary for death penalty consideration but I doubt that’s an option in Illinois, could be wrong.
Edit: Death penalty abolished in 2011 in Illinois
In the Massey case, Dep. Grayson’s charges are first degree murder, agg battery, and official misconduct. Hope these folks know what they’re doing.
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The correct charge is 2nd degree and there is no way a jury won't be able to consider that. What are they going to present that shows that the officer planned to kill her prior to their encounter? There must be something deeper between them if this is 1st degree murder.
Yes. My opinion on outcome does not determine what the law states. Any other brain busters?
I saw no evidence that the officer shot Ms Massey due to her race.
Her family hired a prominent civil rights attorney. I learned this from the media. Should the media have not covered it as part of the investigation? Do you respect that Ms Massey's family thinks race might have played into it?
Maybe it's one of those aggravating circumstances things that bumps it up to 1st degree. idk
I respect that they've been programmed to automatically assume that race might have played into it. It's impossible for them to see it any other way.
There's a case where a kid was seen buying pot in a parking lot. Might have even been a setup, not sure. But the officer ran up to his car screaming at him to get out of his car with his hand on his gun. The kid tried to drive off. Cop, on his partner's body camera, can be seen drawing his gun and shooting the kid from behind, killing him. He was never in front of the car and would not have been run over or close to it. As you would imagine, there were massive protests and tons of media coverage regarding this unlawful police shooting that killed a 19 year old.
Just kidding, he was white and this is probably your first time hearing about it.
Just kidding, he was white and this is probably your first time hearing about it.
Yes. Let all of the facts come out before drawing conclusions and assess the likelihood of race being involved based on evidence and learned knowledge.
Respectfully, thank you for bringing this up. It’s a great example of why I say racism doesn’t exist. There is no indication at all that this woman was killed because of her race. But it’s the default stance whenever a black person has any sort of interaction. Anytime a black person is slighted by a person of another race, it’s automatically “racism”. I just don’t buy it.
To rational people, it absolutely would. The problem is that they make actual history almost impossible to find. This is evidenced by you thinking Google is a valid way to actually do research. Google search was tailor-made for people who think like you. And that’s not even a slight because most people do. I mean, do you understand that Google suppresses whatever information doesn’t fit their liberal narrative?
@Mac9192 I have respect for you. You seem like a reasonable guy. Can you give me a couple of examples of how you think in 2025 black people are discriminated against SOLELY because of their race? Coming from a rational guy such as yourself, I’m genuinely curious of your thoughts on the subject.
What’s funny about that is he assumed Google would just parrot his own beliefs and seemed surprised that I actually bothered to read it. Honestly, it was more like a skim but it didn’t take much to discover some truly bat sh- crazy stuff on there. I’m not sure even he actually read it all. These far Left academics are given all this grant money to verify racism exists and Lo and behold they find what they’re looking for.
If they didn’t, they would be back in the classroom actually teaching. Oh the humanity!!
I can’t. I think that in 2025, most people judge others on their appearance. I think that’s fair. If I’m on an elevator and 3 black guys get on when the door opens, how they are dressed will most likely determine my comfort level.
What about for people who have seen this happen repeatedly without any consequences or justice? Why would you expect them to wait?
When would YOU ever initiate an inquiry into whether race was relevant?
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You two are made for each other.
What's this "solely" thing creeping in here? You've said racism doesn't exist at all. Why would you need to designate "solely" all of a sudden?
You still haven't demonstrated that you understand what people actually mean when they talk about systemic/etc racism.
You are being vague when you say "seen this happen repeatedly without any consequences". What is, this?
When there is concerning reason to suspect it. A cop who happens to be white and a suspect/victim who happens to be black is not enough to assume racism. For reasonable people.
Ben and Jerry’s? Come on bruh. At what point do you accept that we have a right to be suspicious about your links?
They’ve hired a civil rights attorney, whose m.o. is to find racism. What are the odds that this hustler can look at the facts objectively? What are the odds that he won’t find racism as a major factor? When you hire one of these guys, you’re basically giving them a green light to turn this case into a scenario where America in general and LEO specifically will be on trial every bit as much as Grayson. It will be another media circus, another defendant denied his constitutional right to a fair trial.
I think I covered that more objectively with "prominent civil rights attorney."
Another defendant denied his constitutional right to a fair trial? How is that any different from a grieving Black family thinking "another Black person killed unjustly by police who are gonna get away with it"?
Nobody cares about the rain when they're already wet. You've been suspicious and denied every bit of evidence and every perspective I've ever presented here. Y'all post unvetted crap here all the time; why should I put any more effort into it? I've been cross-referencing sources and checking original sources and looking at peer reviews for years and where has that got me?
I chose that link because it contains a reasonable, nonthreatening definition of systemic racism that @GhostOf301 and @Dahntay#1 can never procure despite being asked multiple times. And then there are 64 examples. Sixty-four. Some of them are pretty weak on their own. How many times do you start addressing one with, "Well, that can be explained away by..." before you recognize that you're doing a lot of twisting and turning to avoid doing anything about it?
Look at just the top 10, all having to do with childhood and school. I can come up with an explanation for each one just like y'all. They can all be tied in with average starting point in life. At what point do you recognize that the average starting point in life is growing even worse by the time they finish college -- for the few who do -- and that the system itself is perpetuating and increasing the inequities we see from birth? I mean, suspensions from preschool? Seriously?
