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Disliking someone solely because of the color of their skin is definitely a negative. Respectfully, my question is how do you know when someone dislikes you because of the color of your skin as opposed to something else?

Having derogatory slander made to you such as “spi**, wet back” by strangers or having my friend’s boyfriend (dude I had just met) not believe my friend when she told him what I do for a living (honorable and respectable occupation) are strong indicators
 
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Having derogatory slander made to you such as “spi**, wet back” by strangers or having my friend’s boyfriend (dude I had just met) not believe my friend when she told him what I do for a living (honorable and respectable occupation) are strong indicators
I don't approve of any kind of slander thrown at anyone based on aspects of their lives, out of their control. But in this example you give, does his attitude affect your life in a significant way, or does it just make him look like an asshole?
 
I don't approve of any kind of slander thrown at anyone based on aspects of their lives, out of their control. But in this example you give, does his attitude affect your life in a significant way, or does it just make him look like an asshole?

Of course it didn’t affect my life in any way, other than the guy being a jackass. The guy probably thought he was superior because of his skin color and didn’t like the fact that his girlfriend (my friend) brought up that I have a great occupation. I have thick skin and a very positive mindset so it takes a lot to get me upset.

The point is racism exists (pretending it doesn’t is ignorant). My parents are both Mexicans, were born and raised there, they migrated to the states. Both came from large families, dealt with poverty, both only have a 6th grade education, because they had to help my grandparents raise their siblings. They worked jobs that some feel they are “too good to work”. After I graduated high school, I wanted more for my family. I put myself through college, while working 3 part time jobs (including waiting tables, selling vehicles, and working at the local ymca), attending college full time, and playing collegiate soccer for a couple years. I earned my 4 year degree and went through a strenuous & competitive process to earn the occupation I have today.

People who think they are superior because of their skin color are jokes and more often than not “entitled.”

I’ll be very shocked if any of you on here would be “okay” with having derogatory/racists slander thrown your family’s way by strangers just because of your heritage/skin color.

I’ll Always Be A Proud Mexican-American and I wouldn’t trade my upbringing for someone’s who have always been “given” everything.
 
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The first example would def be upsetting, although it doesn’t meet the legal definition of slander. Slander is making knowingly false verbal statements.
Second example: may I present an alternative explanation? Dudes are often threatened by girlfriends’ male friends and maybe he didn’t like the fact that his girlfriend was bragging about what a great job you had? Just a thought.

KD, “racist terminology” thrown your way is that appropriate?
 
KD, “racist terminology” thrown your way is that appropriate?
I didn’t say it was appropriate, only that it’s not slander. Didn’t mean to put you on the defensive. It’s clearly racist and offensive language. My daughter was told recently by a “peaceful protester” that “it’s too bad Hitler didn’t finish the job” so many of us have different experiences with this sort of thing.

In fact I realized that my post re: slander would most likely not be welcomed or particularly relevant to the overall thrust of this conversation. That’s why I deleted it.
 
Of course it didn’t affect my life in any way, other than the guy being a jackass. The guy probably thought he was superior because of his skin color and didn’t like the fact that his girlfriend (my friend) brought up that I have a great occupation. I have thick skin and a very positive mindset so it takes a lot to get me upset.

The point is racism exists (pretending it doesn’t is ignorant). My parents are both Mexicans, were born and raised there, they migrated to the states. Both came from large families, dealt with poverty, both only have a 6th grade education, because they had to help my grandparents raise their siblings. They worked jobs that some feel they are “too good to work”. After I graduated high school, I wanted more for my family. I put myself through college, while working 3 part time jobs (including waiting tables, selling vehicles, and working at the local ymca), attending college full time, and playing collegiate soccer for a couple years. I earned my 4 year degree and went through a strenuous & competitive process to earn the occupation I have today.

People who think they are superior because of their skin color are jokes and more often than not “entitled.”

I’ll be very shocked if any of you on here would be “okay” with having derogatory/racists slander thrown your family’s way by strangers just because of your heritage/skin color.

I’ll Always Be A Proud Mexican-American and I wouldn’t trade my upbringing for someone’s who have always been “given” everything.
Easy to disregard the sting if you haven't been stung....very similar to the comment the other day about walking in the shoes of a LEO...walk in the shoes of a POC, you would probably feel very different about racism and it's ugliness
 
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I didn’t say it was appropriate, only that it’s not slander. Didn’t mean to put you on the defensive. It’s clearly racist and offensive language. My daughter was told recently by a “peaceful protester” that “it’s too bad Hitler didn’t finish the job” so many of us have different experiences with this sort of thing.

In fact I realized that my post re: slander would most likely not be welcomed or particularly relevant to the overall thrust of this conversation. That’s why I deleted it.

All good KD. I get along with all of you on here. I really enjoy the posters on here and love our passion for Duke Athletics.

We all have our own stories and upbringings. The older I’ve gotten, the more understanding I try to be of everyone (as long as they aren’t doing something heinous such as committing murder, assaulting others, burglarizing, etc). I really tend to stay away from politics and the media because I feel like I could spend my time doing something productive (spending time with loved ones, working out, work)

I know bleed was going through some stuff in April and that’s why he took the season ending loss by the blue devils extra hard. I remember making a post directed towards him and everyone else on DI. The post said something along the lines of “life is tough for all of us, we each have our own battles we face, if any of you need anything, please do not hesitate to reach out. We should all be picking each other up instead of tearing each other down.” ◀️ I fully mean this.
 
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Of course it didn’t affect my life in any way, other than the guy being a jackass. The guy probably thought he was superior because of his skin color and didn’t like the fact that his girlfriend (my friend) brought up that I have a great occupation. I have thick skin and a very positive mindset so it takes a lot to get me upset.

The point is racism exists (pretending it doesn’t is ignorant). My parents are both Mexicans, were born and raised there, they migrated to the states. Both came from large families, dealt with poverty, both only have a 6th grade education, because they had to help my grandparents raise their siblings. They worked jobs that some feel they are “too good to work”. After I graduated high school, I wanted more for my family. I put myself through college, while working 3 part time jobs (including waiting tables, selling vehicles, and working at the local ymca), attending college full time, and playing collegiate soccer for a couple years. I earned my 4 year degree and went through a strenuous & competitive process to earn the occupation I have today.

People who think they are superior because of their skin color are jokes and more often than not “entitled.”

I’ll be very shocked if any of you on here would be “okay” with having derogatory/racists slander thrown your family’s way by strangers just because of your heritage/skin color.

I’ll Always Be A Proud Mexican-American and I wouldn’t trade my upbringing for someone’s who have always been “given” everything.
You are perfectly laying out my case for how racism exists, but not at the level that prevents people from persevering.
 
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I didn’t say it was appropriate, only that it’s not slander. Didn’t mean to put you on the defensive. It’s clearly racist and offensive language. My daughter was told recently by a “peaceful protester” that “it’s too bad Hitler didn’t finish the job” so many of us have different experiences with this sort of thing.

In fact I realized that my post re: slander would most likely not be welcomed or particularly relevant to the overall thrust of this conversation. That’s why I deleted it.
What a nut job! What were they protesting? Was your daughter protesting too or just going by and was told this?
 
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The war in Gaza supposedly even though protests were organized before Israel even responded to Oct 7 so that kind of shows what we’re dealing with here. She tries to keep a safe distance from the designated areas, but some of the nuts like to lurk around the Hillel building waiting for the Jews to come and go.

What are they protesting? Good question. When asked, they’d probably tell you that they’re protesting the “ genocide” ( civilian-combatant ratio very low so this definition is ever expanding to fit this conflict) or starvation, but to Jews on campus it feels like they’re protesting Jews on campus. The kefiyyeh wearers often are said to wander around campus asking random students if they are Jewish or “ Zionists”. If you answer the wrong way, you’re either spit on or called a Zionazi, their slur du jour. Sometimes they take your picture. It’s all part of a campaign to harass and intimidate.
 
Having derogatory slander made to you such as “spi**, wet back” by strangers or having my friend’s boyfriend (dude I had just met) not believe my friend when she told him what I do for a living (honorable and respectable occupation) are strong indicators
Fair enough. If those things happen when a different race does it, what is it called when your own race does it? Is that still called racism?
 
Easy to disregard the sting if you haven't been stung....very similar to the comment the other day about walking in the shoes of a LEO...walk in the shoes of a POC, you would probably feel very different about racism and it's ugliness
It’s all subjective. I’ve walked in the shoes of a POC my whole life and don’t see it.
 
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Fair enough. If those things happen when a different race does it, what is it called when your own race does it? Is that still called racism?

Absolutely it is. I don’t find anything funny about Mexicans calling other Mexicans “sp***, bean**, wet ****”. Human beings being disrespectful to other human beings is never okay.
 
…I just want one question answered . Why 2 years later you all of a sudden want 50 million dollars for claimed “emotional distress”.
It sounds kinda rhetorical, the way you're asking.

Possible explanations: It's difficult to prosecute rape anyway, and even more so if it's in the context of a relationships where consensual sex has already happened. The burden of proof is easier in a civil case.
Rape is traumatic and takes victims a while to process. Timelines don't necessarily follow the logic of anyone else.

Following the lax witchhunt, Duke fans should know better than to jump to conclusions, and that includes insinuating that an alleged victim is a gold-digging liar.
 
My daughter was told recently by a “peaceful protester” that “it’s too bad Hitler didn’t finish the job” so many of us have different experiences with this sort of thing.
In this example you give, does his attitude affect your life in a significant way, or does it just make him look bad?
 
In this example you give, does his attitude affect your life in a significant way, or does it just make him look bad?
As a parent yourself I’m a bit surprised by the question. My daughter’s freshman year of college has been hijacked by antisemitic protests, she is scared to even go on certain parts of campus, we’re moving her off campus in the fall, and you ask if it’s affected my life in a significant way?
Are you high?
I’m not sure if you’re attempting to parrot what Ghost or Dahntay said to bullcity gamer earlier, but the situations aren’t even remotely comparable.
 
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As a parent yourself I’m a bit surprised by the question. My daughter’s freshman year of college has been hijacked by antisemitic protests, she is scared to even go on certain parts of campus, we’re moving her off campus in the fall, and you ask if it’s affected my life in a significant way?
Are you high?
I’m not sure if you’re attempting to parrot what Ghost or Dahntay said to bullcity gamer earlier, but the situations aren’t even remotely comparable.
That's really awful. I'm sorry to hear it.
I'm interested to see how this supports @GhostOf301 's claim that racism today doesn't have any actual effect on anyone's life.
 
That's really awful. I'm sorry to hear it.
I'm interested to see how this supports @GhostOf301 's claim that racism today doesn't have any actual effect on anyone's life.
The degree of it ebbs and flows depending on the specific group and specific time. If she had gone somewhere else like Duke or a good state school things would have probably been better. Either things have gotten considerably worse since early 2024 or the university officials severely downplayed or flat out lied when we made a campus visit at the time about the level of anti semitic vitriol on campus.

There are different types of racism: the face to face variety like bullcity gamer described, the more organized mob type protests on college campuses, racism that was once codified into law and still permitted against Jews and Asians in college admissions.

When hatred goes this widespread, especially to someone still in their teens, your view of humanity is forever changed. Hopefully, it won’t affect the trajectory of her life, but you can’t ever unsee or unhear it. The school is about 15% Jewish so on the bright side they’ve banded together in support and now of course they’re accused of being “clannish”. The more things change….
 
I generally try not to get political on here. I certainly do not have the answers but I can share my experience. It's a basketball forum and I don't come on here to have a go at people. My sophomore year of college I lived with 3 black guys from the track team. We had many talks, and it was an eye opening experience. One thing I learned from talking and going out with them is that there are a lot of things white people take for granted. Not saying white people have no problems, but there are a lot of things we don't have to endure on a daily basis. I remember a woman on our team saying she didn't like Phoenix because she didn't feel safe or comfortable as it was predominantly white and she felt like everyone was staring at her. This was the late 80's, and things have evolved, but it still was a very interesting experience. By my senior year the team had become very cliquey which was sad to see.
 
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Absolutely it is. I don’t find anything funny about Mexicans calling other Mexicans “sp***, bean**, wet ****”. Human beings being disrespectful to other human beings is never okay.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. However, by that logic, you would have to believe that black people continuously calling themselves the n word are being racist to each other right?
 
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I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. However, by that logic, you would have to believe that black people continuously calling themselves the n word are being racist to each other right?
How do you feel when Blacks use the n word amongst themselves? Opposed to it? Indifferent? What’s your take?
 
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. However, by that logic, you would have to believe that black people continuously calling themselves the n word are being racist to each other right?
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It was so obvious where you were going with that. You are such a child.
 
The degree of it ebbs and flows depending on the specific group and specific time. If she had gone somewhere else like Duke or a good state school things would have probably been better. Either things have gotten considerably worse since early 2024 or the university officials severely downplayed or flat out lied when we made a campus visit at the time about the level of anti semitic vitriol on campus.

There are different types of racism: the face to face variety like bullcity gamer described, the more organized mob type protests on college campuses, racism that was once codified into law and still permitted against Jews and Asians in college admissions.

When hatred goes this widespread, especially to someone still in their teens, your view of humanity is forever changed. Hopefully, it won’t affect the trajectory of her life, but you can’t ever unsee or unhear it. The school is about 15% Jewish so on the bright side they’ve banded together in support and now of course they’re accused of being “clannish”. The more things change….
I hope @GhostOf301 reads this and recalibrates his belief that racism today doesn't have any actual effect on people's lives. I doubt there's any hope that @Dahntay#1 recalibrates his belief that there's no such thing as racism.

I would cite your observations about antisemitism that is still a factor in college admissions as evidence that systemic & institutional prejudices still exist. Like most prejudice and racism of its type, the public narrative around it involves YEARS of people naming it and people like @GhostOf301 , @Dahntay#1 , and other conservatives denying it, and then there's a breakthrough and everyone recognizes it, including @GhostOf301 , @Dahntay#1 , and other conservatives... and then @GhostOf301 , @Dahntay#1 , and other conservatives go back to claiming that systemic/institutional racism is all over and done now and everything on the books is perfect. Another 10 years and they'll be acting like something they're fighting and denying now is accepted as racist just through common sense and that it's all over now again, and where are the new current examples that prove otherwise.

You're identifying an example yourself, in how college admissions unfairly harm Jewish and Asian applicants. It shouldn't be a stretch for you to recognize that there are still things like that harming BIPOC. When people like @Dahntay#1 think asking for current examples is such a home run gotcha question for them and that they know everything because they have a job and a degree and no family or other meaningful life experience in their early 30s, we really ought to just laugh them off like the immature children they are.
 
I generally try not to get political on here. I certainly do not have the answers but I can share my experience. It's a basketball forum and I don't come on here to have a go at people. My sophomore year of college I lived with 3 black guys from the track team. We had many talks, and it was an eye opening experience. One thing I learned from talking and going out with them is that there are a lot of things white people take for granted. Not saying white people have no problems, but there are a lot of things we don't have to endure on a daily basis. I remember a woman on our team saying she didn't like Phoenix because she didn't feel safe or comfortable as it was predominantly white and she felt like everyone was staring at her. This was the late 80's, and things have evolved, but it still was a very interesting experience. By my senior year the team had become very cliquey which was sad to see.
Uh-oh! Sounds like you're acknowledging that systemic/institutional racism is real.
@GhostOf301 ? @Dahntay#1 ? Sounds like this guy actually listens to the experiences of marginalized people instead of assuming his own experience is the appropriate measuring stick to judge everyone else's.
 
How do you feel when Blacks use the n word amongst themselves? Opposed to it? Indifferent? What’s your take?
Yes, I'm on the edge of my seat for the certain hilarity of @Dahntay#1 's overconfident, unilateral, sweeping take about what's best for everyone on this matter.
 
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How do you feel when Blacks use the n word amongst themselves? Opposed to it? Indifferent? What’s your take?
For me, this was uncomfortable for me a bazillion years ago when I started teaching in the 1990s and Black kids used this in conversations with each other. (Keep in mind it was the '90s and I was in my early-to-mid 20s; my own kids understood better by middle school in the 2010s.) I came to accept that they were "reclaiming" a hurtful word by embracing it. (It's kind of embarrassing that I would have to explain this to anyone in 2025 when I'm in my 50s.) I know plenty of older Black people who disagree, but they still get it, so their disagreement has the empathy @Dahntay#1 never shows any sign of.

Ultimately, I realized that my negative judgment of it was about my own discomfort, and considering how comfortable I am in just about every situation due to privilege many of y'all deny exists, dealing with that minor, rare discomfort is nothing compared to what many people have to deal with all the time.
 
How do you feel when Blacks use the n word amongst themselves? Opposed to it? Indifferent? What’s your take?
I don’t use the word and am embarrassed for those that do. There is a lie going around that it is a term of endearment. It may be on occasion, but generally it’s used in a derogatory manner even amongst black people.
 
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@Dattier You’re the quintessential emotional white liberal. Malcolm X describes you here perfectly.



There's nothing worse for the black community than people like you. When asked to provide examples of how racism affects black people today, you have nothing. It has not gone unnoticed that all of your arguments regarding “racism” are nothing but emotional babble. You have no clue what you’re talking about. You know nothing about black history and even less about the black community.

With all of that being said, I’m not even mad at you. I understand you have been brainwashed. But understand you’re out of your depth here. My personal experience coupled with historical knowledge puts you at a significant disadvantage on this topic. Honestly, I think you know this and it’s why you’re using calls to emotion or dodging questions completely.
 
For me, this was uncomfortable for me a bazillion years ago when I started teaching in the 1990s and Black kids used this in conversations with each other. (Keep in mind it was the '90s and I was in my early-to-mid 20s; my own kids understood better by middle school in the 2010s.) I came to accept that they were "reclaiming" a hurtful word by embracing it. (It's kind of embarrassing that I would have to explain this to anyone in 2025 when I'm in my 50s.) I know plenty of older Black people who disagree, but they still get it, so their disagreement has the empathy @Dahntay#1 never shows any sign of.

Ultimately, I realized that my negative judgment of it was about my own discomfort, and considering how comfortable I am in just about every situation due to privilege many of y'all deny exists, dealing with that minor, rare discomfort is nothing compared to what many people have to deal with all the time.
@KDSTONE Imagine I call you stupid all the time and to “reclaim” the word you embrace it and start calling your own self stupid. This is the equivalent of what @Dattier is saying and why he is no ally to the black community.
 
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@Dattier I am not sure what concessions you want me to make. Perhaps I will revise how I say it in absolutes, like by saying racism doesn't significantly affect anyone's life. That was a general statement without acknowledging exceptions. But I have already acknowledged those exceptions previously. So I acknowledge that there is still racism that has real affects on people's lives. But generally speaking, those are isolated and individual events. Today's racism is not the broad impacting monster you make it out to be.

It's cute that you are piggybacking off of KD's examples. I acknowledged individual acts of racism, in this case, antisemitism. Here, I acknowledge democrat led antisemitism against Jewis students on campuses.
 
I don’t use the word and am embarrassed for those that do. There is a lie going around that it is a term of endearment. It may be on occasion, but generally it’s used in a derogatory manner even amongst black people.
i disagree, i feel its the other way around, not saying im right and you're wrong.........but it also irks me when kids use it too
 
i disagree, i feel its the other way around, not saying im right and you're wrong.........but it also irks me when kids use it too
I just know that every single fight, both physical and verbal, I hear that word tossed around countless times. I bet you would be hard pressed to find a video of two black men fighting and the word is not used one time as an insult towards each other.
 
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I just know that every single fight, both physical and verbal, I hear that word tossed around countless times. I bet you would be hard pressed to find a video of two black men fighting and the word is not used one time as an insult towards each other.
agree w/ that...also M'F, SOB...lol...but its also as common as hello too, and something good, something bad, something funny, something stupid...could go on and on..lol..tone and facial expression matters
 
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@KDSTONE Imagine I call you stupid all the time and to “reclaim” the word you embrace it and start calling your own self stupid. This is the equivalent of what @Dattier is saying and why he is no ally to the black community.
^Doesn’t understand what “reclaim” means. Or irony.

“Misfits,” “Deplorables,” “The Idiots,” “Nasty Woman,” “Bad Hombre,” “Snowflakes,” “Loser teachers”… just a handful of examples where people have embraced negative designations in defiance.

I guess when you’re too insecure to appreciate self-deprecating humor, you wouldn’t get this.
 
Today's racism is not the broad impacting monster you make it out to be.

It's cute that you are piggybacking off of KD's examples. I acknowledged individual acts of racism, in this case, antisemitism. Here, I acknowledge democrat led antisemitism against Jewis students on campuses.
You’re so fast to interrupt and dismiss racism, I don’t think you have any idea what size monster I’d make it out to be.

At the moment, I don’t even mind the idiocy of claiming only one political party is guilty of it; I’m just glad you finally recognize that racism/prejudice today has a huge impact on many people’s lives.

If it’s the policy of an INSTITUTION that makes college admissions more difficult for Jewish and Asian-American students, how is that INDIVIDUAL racism/prejudice and not INSTITUTIONAL racism/prejudice?
 
^Doesn’t understand what “reclaim” means. Or irony.

“Misfits,” “Deplorables,” “The Idiots,” “Nasty Woman,” “Bad Hombre,” “Snowflakes,” “Loser teachers”… just a handful of examples where people have embraced negative designations in defiance.

I guess when you’re too insecure to appreciate self-deprecating humor, you wouldn’t get this.
Hilarious. Imagine thinking you can reclaim a word that you didn’t create. I know you know very little about black history, but let me get this straight. You think black people originally called themselves that word, then white people “claimed” it and started using it as a derogatory term, and then black people “reclaimed” it? So in this made up pattern of yours, it appears white people are up again in this game of ping pong? 😂
 
Hilarious. Imagine thinking you can reclaim a word that you didn’t create. I know you know very little about black history, but let me get this straight. You think black people originally called themselves that word, then white people “claimed” it and started using it as a derogatory term, and then black people “reclaimed” it? So in this made up pattern of yours, it appears white people are up again in this game of ping pong? 😂
its true though Dahntay...younger generations not scarred by the hurt and pain have embraced it...older generations for the most part, not gonna say all, it still cuts....and for probably 99.9%..lol, NOT NOBODY ELSE BETTER SAY IT, OR ITS GONNA BE SOME PROBLEMS
 
You’re so fast to interrupt and dismiss racism, I don’t think you have any idea what size monster I’d make it out to be.

At the moment, I don’t even mind the idiocy of claiming only one political party is guilty of it; I’m just glad you finally recognize that racism/prejudice today has a huge impact on many people’s lives.

If it’s the policy of an INSTITUTION that makes college admissions more difficult for Jewish and Asian-American students, how is that INDIVIDUAL racism/prejudice and not INSTITUTIONAL racism/prejudice?
I am fast to draw skepticism about a lot of claims. And I am right for doing so far more than I am wrong. I dismiss ideologies that label anything and everything as being racist or making race relevant in irrelevant situations. I don't dismiss actual racism.

No, datt. I am mocking you for constantly painting conservatives as bigots who lack empathy. You'll deny doing so, I am sure. One party certainly does not hold the monopoly on racism. But in this country's case, the party that accuses the other of it is far more guilty.

You were a proponent of affirmative action, right? Why are you all of the sudden concerned about this. And we're talking about private schools, correct? I don't agree with policies that discriminate either way, but can we really use private schools as examples of institutional racism? What are the actual policies, also?
 
I am fast to draw skepticism about a lot of claims. And I am right for doing so far more than I am wrong. I dismiss ideologies that label anything and everything as being racist or making race relevant in irrelevant situations. I don't dismiss actual racism.

No, datt. I am mocking you for constantly painting conservatives as bigots who lack empathy. You'll deny doing so, I am sure. One party certainly does not hold the monopoly on racism. But in this country's case, the party that accuses the other of it is far more guilty.

You were a proponent of affirmative action, right? Why are you all of the sudden concerned about this. And we're talking about private schools, correct? I don't agree with policies that discriminate either way, but can we really use private schools as examples of institutional racism? What are the actual policies, also?
The fact that society has pretty much conditioned everyone to believe claims simply because someone makes them is part of the reason we are where we are today. Kudos to you for having a healthy skepticism for claims. It is indeed a rarity.
 
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