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[Th0r]

All I'm doing is comparing the first 100 days. It looks like Trump is trying to do a hundred things, when it might be better to focus on a few at a time. I absolutely love what he's done with the Border. Not sure about you and @Dattier, but I think that should be easy to support. You don't need to pass new legislation, just enforce what's already written down. And designating a gang like MS-13 a terrorists organization? Great idea.

The President may not control gas prices, but any rational person knows there's a direct connection with Big Oil and DC. The higher oil is by the barrel, the bigger their accounts are. This isn't rocket science. And why did Biden's handlers have him cancel the Keystone Pipeline on the first day?

On credibility of sources? You don't have to look far to find something slanted. I still say using the ol eyes is a decent gauge. Some of you might want to try that.

What you’re describing isn’t governance, it’s theatrics. Throwing out a hundred ideas without follow through doesn’t build anything that lasts. That’s what we already saw in Trump’s first term. A lot of executive orders, a lot of headlines, and almost none of it stuck.

You brought up the border and enforcement. Sure, the president can enforce existing law, and that’s happening. But enforcement without reform is like scooping water out of a sinking boat without patching the hole. The system is outdated. It needs a serious legislative fix. And when you say we don’t need new laws, that ignores the fact that every president since Reagan has asked for them, including Trump. He had four years and didn’t get it done. That’s the difference.

The MS 13 thing sounds tough, but it doesn’t really change anything on the ground. Federal law enforcement already targets them through gang statutes and RICO. Calling them terrorists is mostly symbolic. It’s fine as a messaging move, but it doesn’t reshape policy.

On gas prices and Keystone, Keystone XL wasn’t even built. It wasn’t delivering oil and wouldn’t have for years. Global supply, refining capacity, and geopolitical events drive prices way more than any single pipeline project. And oil production in the US actually increased under Biden. That’s just the data.

As for “using your eyes,” that’s how disinfo wins. You can’t just trust your gut when algorithms are feeding people content designed to rile them up. Anyone can post a clip and add a caption to push a narrative. That’s not proof of anything.

And this is really the heart of it. You’re seeing motion and calling it progress. But Biden passed laws. Trump signed orders. One can be undone overnight. The other actually changes things. That’s the difference between running a country and performing for one.

 

[Dattier]

All in all Datt, you gave a decent reply. I have to take issue with this though. If everyone is using their eyes and brains, they'd definitely see a connection with DC and Big Oil.

That makes it good for them, but bad for us.

No, I see it, but not that it is partisan -- ie, aligned with just one party.

 

[Mac9192]

No, I see it, but not that it is partisan -- ie, aligned with just one party.

It's not aligned with one party. Never said it was. It's a corrupt bunch looking to gain more wealth and power.

The end result is we get screwed.

 

[Mac9192]

What you’re describing isn’t governance, it’s theatrics. Throwing out a hundred ideas without follow through doesn’t build anything that lasts. That’s what we already saw in Trump’s first term. A lot of executive orders, a lot of headlines, and almost none of it stuck.

You brought up the border and enforcement. Sure, the president can enforce existing law, and that’s happening. But enforcement without reform is like scooping water out of a sinking boat without patching the hole. The system is outdated. It needs a serious legislative fix. And when you say we don’t need new laws, that ignores the fact that every president since Reagan has asked for them, including Trump. He had four years and didn’t get it done. That’s the difference.

The MS 13 thing sounds tough, but it doesn’t really change anything on the ground. Federal law enforcement already targets them through gang statutes and RICO. Calling them terrorists is mostly symbolic. It’s fine as a messaging move, but it doesn’t reshape policy.

On gas prices and Keystone, Keystone XL wasn’t even built. It wasn’t delivering oil and wouldn’t have for years. Global supply, refining capacity, and geopolitical events drive prices way more than any single pipeline project. And oil production in the US actually increased under Biden. That’s just the data.

As for “using your eyes,” that’s how disinfo wins. You can’t just trust your gut when algorithms are feeding people content designed to rile them up. Anyone can post a clip and add a caption to push a narrative. That’s not proof of anything.

And this is really the heart of it. You’re seeing motion and calling it progress. But Biden passed laws. Trump signed orders. One can be undone overnight. The other actually changes things. That’s the difference between running a country and performing for one.

You are still giving off a major vibe that what you say is right, because you say it is, or that you read it, and others viewpoints are slanted. Newsflash, your sources are full of shit. Why? Because of what we've seen from 2021 on. And for the life of me, it's beyond comical that you can have a lot of the views/opinions you do.

Maybe it's purely coincidental, but gas went up .60 cents a gallon the first 100 days of Biden, and rose all year. One more thing, did the Rescue Plan contribute to the rise in inflation? Or is there an article out there by a Harvard Professor claiming otherwise?

 

[Th0r]

You are still giving off a major vibe that what you say is right, because you say it is, or that you read it, and others viewpoints are slanted. Newsflash, your sources are full of shit. Why? Because of what we've seen from 2021 on. And for the life of me, it's beyond comical that you can have a lot of the views/opinions you do.

Maybe it's purely coincidental, but gas went up .60 cents a gallon the first 100 days of Biden, and rose all year. One more thing, did the Rescue Plan contribute to the rise in inflation? Or is there an article out there by a Harvard Professor claiming otherwise?

You’re not actually challenging anything I said. You’re just calling it biased and hoping that’s enough. Saying “your sources are full of shit” isn’t an argument. It’s a way to avoid having one. If you’ve got better data, show it. If not, calling everything fake because you don’t like it isn’t a serious take.

I’m not the one who’s being comical here. I’m walking through the facts. You’re pointing at a gas price bump and acting like it explains the entire economy. It doesn’t. Prices went up in early 2021 because demand snapped back after COVID shutdowns, supply was tight, and global energy markets were volatile. That happened everywhere. Pretending it was all Biden or one bill is just lazy.

As for the Rescue Plan, yes, it may have added to inflation. So did the war in Ukraine, energy price shocks, and broken supply chains. But ARPA also kept cities running, paid for vaccines, and helped small businesses survive. That’s the tradeoff. That’s policy. You deal with the world as it is, not as you imagine it.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Here’s a great example of what I’ve been talking about, and it really drives home how lazy and unserious Trump’s second term has become.

A competent administration vets people before nominating them for powerful roles. They don’t just pick whoever’s loudest on cable news or most loyal on Truth Social. But that’s exactly what we’re seeing here. Trump nominated Ed Martin, a “Stop the Steal” activist with no experience as a federal prosecutor, no experience as a judge, and no relevant qualifications for the job. He was tapped to serve as US Attorney for DC, one of the most powerful prosecutorial roles in the country. This office handles both federal and local crimes, including high profile political cases. It’s a serious job that requires serious people.

Martin’s nomination was already shaky. He had spent his interim tenure demoting prosecutors involved in January 6 cases and using his platform to launch political threats. But the final straw came when it surfaced that he brought a known neo-Nazi, Timothy Hale-Cusanelli, onto his podcast. Hale-Cusanelli once said, “I would kill all the Jews and eat them for breakfast, lunch, and dinner,” according to court filings. He also dressed up like Adolf Hitler and sketched Jewish people as pigs. Martin praised him on air, then tried to walk it back when the heat came. That was enough to make even Senator Thom Tillis walk away, and the nomination quietly collapsed.

And Trump’s backup plan? He picked Judge Jeanine Pirro. Yes, the Fox News host. While she does have a distant legal background as a district attorney, she hasn’t practiced law in years. She’s spent more time yelling in prime time than dealing with actual casework. This isn’t someone with federal prosecutorial experience. It’s someone with a camera ready persona and unwavering loyalty.

This makes me mad for you guys, honestly. Because I get how impossible it is to defend stuff like this with a straight face. You’ve got people trying to argue that Trump has learned from the past and is building a serious team, but the actions speak louder than the slogans. No growth, no learning, just the same broken loop. And if you’re wondering why nothing durable ever comes out of these appointments, why it all unravels the second someone pushes back, this is why. You cannot govern a country like you are casting a reality show.

To have such a high business acumen, his selections of important people to important positions have been mind boggling to me

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

You’re not actually challenging anything I said. You’re just calling it biased and hoping that’s enough. Saying “your sources are full of shit” isn’t an argument. It’s a way to avoid having one. If you’ve got better data, show it. If not, calling everything fake because you don’t like it isn’t a serious take.

I’m not the one who’s being comical here. I’m walking through the facts. You’re pointing at a gas price bump and acting like it explains the entire economy. It doesn’t. Prices went up in early 2021 because demand snapped back after COVID shutdowns, supply was tight, and global energy markets were volatile. That happened everywhere. Pretending it was all Biden or one bill is just lazy.

As for the Rescue Plan, yes, it may have added to inflation. So did the war in Ukraine, energy price shocks, and broken supply chains. But ARPA also kept cities running, paid for vaccines, and helped small businesses survive. That’s the tradeoff. That’s policy. You deal with the world as it is, not as you imagine it.

Th0r, i think you are approaching your limit...lol

 

[Th0r]

@Mac9192, do you even realize what you’re doing here? You keep defaulting to attacking me, the sources, the tone, everything except the actual points I’ve made. I’ve intentionally not presented any of this in a hostile way. I’ve stuck to facts, laid things out clearly, and kept the focus on policy and outcomes. You’ve responded by lobbing personal shots and writing off the sources instead of addressing anything directly.

That’s not debate. That’s conditioning. I’ve brought you uncomfortable facts, things the media you rely on hasn’t prepared you to rebut because it never tells you this side of the story. It tells you who to mock, who to distrust, and what to feel outraged about. But it doesn’t prepare you to actually engage with the argument. So when someone presents something outside that filter, the instinct is to reject it completely. Not because it’s false, but because it feels unfamiliar.

You don’t have to agree with me. But if you can’t engage with the actual argument and instead fall back on broad dismissals, you’re not defending your views. You’re just showing how tightly you’ve been boxed in without even realizing it.

 

[Th0r]

Th0r, i think you are approaching your limit...lol

Haha, I love this stuff, man. We’re not saving lives here, so I don’t take it too seriously. This is for fun, and I really enjoy a good back-and-forth.

 

[dukesince91]

The Democrats like to blame the gas prices going up after Covid because of demand. Then they claim that more jobs were added by Biden, but fail to mention they were the same jobs pre-COVID.

 

[Th0r]

The Democrats like to blame the gas prices going up after Covid because of demand. Then they claim that more jobs were added by Biden, but fail to mention they were the same jobs pre-COVID.

That doesn’t actually make sense. If gas prices went up because demand returned after COVID, which is true, then of course the jobs that came back were also tied to that same recovery. You can’t argue that the economy was bouncing back enough to drive up fuel demand but then pretend the job growth that followed wasn’t real.

Yes, many of the jobs added were ones lost during the shutdown. That’s how recoveries work. But the point is, under Biden, the economy regained millions of those jobs faster than expected, and the policies in place like the Rescue Plan helped accelerate that rebound. You don’t get to dismiss it just because it was a recovery. That’s still governing. That’s still impact.

 

[Mac9192]

You’re not actually challenging anything I said. You’re just calling it biased and hoping that’s enough. Saying “your sources are full of shit” isn’t an argument. It’s a way to avoid having one. If you’ve got better data, show it. If not, calling everything fake because you don’t like it isn’t a serious take.

I’m not the one who’s being comical here. I’m walking through the facts. You’re pointing at a gas price bump and acting like it explains the entire economy. It doesn’t. Prices went up in early 2021 because demand snapped back after COVID shutdowns, supply was tight, and global energy markets were volatile. That happened everywhere. Pretending it was all Biden or one bill is just lazy.

As for the Rescue Plan, yes, it may have added to inflation. So did the war in Ukraine, energy price shocks, and broken supply chains. But ARPA also kept cities running, paid for vaccines, and helped small businesses survive. That’s the tradeoff. That’s policy. You deal with the world as it is, not as you imagine it.

I may not be challenging specifics, but even when I did cite a source, you discredited them. DC has been corrupt for a long time, and the system is rigged. The "establishment" despises anyone that leans right of center. They know that we don't believe their bullshit, but they've made it almost impossible to prove them wrong. When you control the media by way of big tech, big pharma, powerful elitists, they can sit back and say "look at these crazy people." This is called gaslighting.

Let's also not forget the heads of major universities. Appoint the person you want at the top, and everything flows downhill from there. The next thing you know, you've indoctrinated thousands of young minds. I'd bet the farm you fall into this category.

This does explain things, just not the way you've been conditioned.

 

[KDSTONE]

Yes, many of the jobs added were ones lost during the shutdown. That’s how recoveries work.
I’m not sure. If the recovery was essentially triggered by govt policy ( the lifting of the shutdowns that largely caused or at least deepened the recession in the first place), far more is involved here than just a recession and a rebound. I’d argue that Biden is taking credit for jobs added that were lost during the shutdown due
to govt overreach in the first place. They didn’t lose these jobs purely due to recessionary pressures associated with a free market.
Shutdowns were still in place in many areas long after it was clear that Covid primarily impacted the elderly, obese, and those with preexisting conditions.
It’s hard though to sift through to determine how much of the recession was caused by Covid itself and how much was caused by govt policy in reaction to it.

 

[KDSTONE]

That doesn’t actually make sense. If gas prices went up because demand returned after COVID, which is true, then of course the jobs that came back were also tied to that same recovery. You can’t argue that the economy was bouncing back enough to drive up fuel demand but then pretend the job growth that followed wasn’t real.

Yes, many of the jobs added were ones lost during the shutdown. That’s how recoveries work. But the point is, under Biden, the economy regained millions of those jobs faster than expected, and the policies in place like the Rescue Plan helped accelerate that rebound. You don’t get to dismiss it just because it was a recovery. That’s still governing. That’s still impact.

Job growth? If I worked at a factory that was closed during the shutdown and went back to work once it reopened, I wouldn’t say I got a new job, I’d say I’m going back to my old job. This isn’t growth; it’s replacing what was lost.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Job growth? If I worked at a factory that was closed during the shutdown and went back to work once it reopened, I wouldn’t say I got a new job, I’d say I’m going back to my old job. This isn’t growth; it’s replacing what was lost.

Agree...what if the ARPA made that possible for your job situation....many jobs didn't withstand it

 

[Th0r]

I may not be challenging specifics, but when I even when I did cite a source, you discredited them. DC has been corrupt for a long time, and the system is rigged. The "establishment" despises anyone that leans right of center. They know that we don't believe their bullshit, but they've made it almost impossible to prove them wrong. When you control the media by way of big tech, big pharma, powerful elitists, they can sit back and say "look at these crazy people." This is called gaslighting.

Let's also not forget the heads of major universities. Appoint the person you want at the top, and everything flows downhill from there. The next thing you know, you've indoctrinated thousands of young minds. I'd bet the farm you fall into this category.

This does explain things, just not the way you've been conditioned.

You’re not explaining anything. You’re just layering conspiracy on top of conspiracy to avoid addressing the actual argument. I bring up policy outcomes, legislation, and data. You respond with vague claims about elites, media control, and university brainwashing, none of which actually refute a single point I’ve made.

You say the system is broken. Fine. But have I not shown you that already? I’ve pointed to real, concrete failures like executive overreach, Congress refusing to legislate, clownish appointments, and the collapse of serious policymaking into headline chasing. That’s not denial. That’s calling it what it is and asking for something better. There’s a difference between exposing institutional failure and using it as an excuse to ignore every inconvenient fact.

This isn’t gaslighting. It’s you refusing to engage with facts because they don’t fit the story you’ve been sold. You say the system is rigged, but offer no path forward. Just distrust, resentment, and broad accusations. That’s not skepticism. That’s surrendering to a worldview where nothing is knowable and everyone who disagrees is part of the plot.

You can believe institutions are broken. I do too. The question is whether you still care enough to hold them accountable or whether you’ve just decided to stop trying.

 

[Th0r]

Yes, many of the jobs added were ones lost during the shutdown. That’s how recoveries work.
I’m not sure. If the recovery was essentially triggered by govt policy ( the lifting of the shutdowns that largely caused or at least deepened the recession in the first place), far more is involved here than just a recession and a rebound. I’d argue that Biden is taking credit for jobs added that were lost during the shutdown due
to govt overreach in the first place. They didn’t lose these jobs purely due to recessionary pressures associated with a free market.
Shutdowns were still in place in many areas long after it was clear that Covid primarily impacted the elderly, obese, and those with preexisting conditions.
It’s hard though to sift through to determine how much of the recession was caused by Covid itself and how much was caused by govt policy in reaction to it.

You’re right that the recession was shaped as much by government policy as by the virus itself. Shutdowns were a major factor, and many jobs were lost because entire sectors were paused, not because of a typical market collapse.

But that’s exactly why policy mattered during the recovery. Those jobs didn’t come back automatically. The federal response helped stabilize things so businesses could reopen, people could return to work, and local governments could avoid mass layoffs. That kind of coordination doesn’t happen on its own.

It’s fair to question how much of the damage came from the virus versus the response, but once the economy was in a hole, the focus had to shift to climbing out. That’s where decisions either speed things up or make them worse. In this case, they helped. That’s the difference.

 

[Mac9192]

You’re not explaining anything. You’re just layering conspiracy on top of conspiracy to avoid addressing the actual argument. I bring up policy outcomes, legislation, and data. You respond with vague claims about elites, media control, and university brainwashing, none of which actually refute a single point I’ve made.

These are exactly why things are the way they are! You’re failing to see they’re all tied together. DC is nothing but a cesspool.

You’re asking for the people that are the problem to be the solution.

 

[KDSTONE]

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/the-american-rescue-plan-is-it-1-9-trillion-or-3-5-trillion/

 

[Dattier]

These are exactly why things are the way they are! You’re failing to see they’re all tied together. DC is nothing but a cesspool.

You’re asking for the people that are the problem to be the solution.

Actually, I think he’s hoping you’ll stop failing at demonstrating how these things are all tied together.

You are not articulating why the people you say are the problem are, in fact, the problem. You are misrepresenting what anyone thinks the solution is. You’re painting a black and white picture of absolutes and simplicity while it is being pointed out to you again and again using real facts why it’s not what you claim.

 

[Dattier]

…even when I did cite a source, you discredited them.

Even when I take a shot, it gets blocked.
Even when I try to eat a hard shell taco one-handed while driving, it spills all over my shirt.
Even when I wish all the other cars would just get out of my way, they don’t.

Use 👏
Credible 👏
Sources 👏

 

[GhostOf301]

Even when I take a shot, it gets blocked.
Even when I try to eat a hard shell taco one-handed while driving, it spills all over my shirt.
Even when I wish all the other cars would just get out of my way, they don’t.

Use 👏
Credible 👏
Sources 👏

1. Had that problem in my teens, but not my twenties.

2. Are you speaking from a real life experience?

3. I am between you being the guy who changes lanes like J Lo changes husbands trying to get ahead of everyone, and you being the guy who thinks that just because he is going exactly the speed limit, he has the right to chill in the left lane.

 

[Mac9192]

This is @Dattier and @Th0r party. If I were you two, I’d sit these 4 years out like your girl @SDevada seems to be doing.

Like I said, you’re asking the people who cause the problems to be the solution.

 

[Dattier]

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This is @Dattier and @Th0r party. If I were you two, I’d sit these 4 years out like your girl @SDevada seems to be doing.

Like I said, you’re asking the people who cause the problems to be the solution.

More of the same from you: emotionally compromised rants in place of logic, facts, analysis.

 

[Dattier]

1. Had that problem in my teens, but not my twenties.

2. Are you speaking from a real life experience?

3. I am between you being the guy who changes lanes like J Lo changes husbands trying to get ahead of everyone, and you being the guy who thinks that just because he is going exactly the speed limit, he has the right to chill in the left lane.

Hurtful

 

[Mac9192]

More of the same from you: emotionally compromised rants in place of logic, facts, analysis.

It’s laughable that you of all people say this.

 

[Dattier]

It’s laughable that you of all people say this.

This has been explained to you repeatedly over the last few days by both Th0r and me.
All you have are hyperboles and anecdotes.
You’ve even been told that no, we do not trust the people in power to solve anything, yet you keep going back to that same claim.
So even with this most recent post — that it’s laughable — applies more to you. Why? I just told you: repeating the same claims as if you forgot to turn off your automatic email reply when you got back from vacation. You, on the other hand, claim a thing is laughable with no explanation at all.

 

[Dattier]

If I were you two, I’d sit these 4 years out…

#1, you didn’t do that for the last 4 years, so… doubtful.
#2, you would advise this… yet you criticize people for any break they take, and call it suspicious when someone isn’t here.

 

[KDSTONE]

You’re right that the recession was shaped as much by government policy as by the virus itself. Shutdowns were a major factor, and many jobs were lost because entire sectors were paused, not because of a typical market collapse.

But that’s exactly why policy mattered during the recovery. Those jobs didn’t come back automatically. The federal response helped stabilize things so businesses could reopen, people could return to work, and local governments could avoid mass layoffs. That kind of coordination doesn’t happen on its own.

It’s fair to question how much of the damage came from the virus versus the response, but once the economy was in a hole, the focus had to shift to climbing out. That’s where decisions either speed things up or make them worse. In this case, they helped. That’s the difference.

I can’t help but notice that no one’s mentioned the effects of the Covid vaccine in getting us out of the Rona doldrums. It arguably didn’t prevent transmission as much as touted, but it made it less likely you would die or be hospitalized. As we know, a large part of any recession is the psyche of the American consumer, and the vaccine went a long way in this regard, giving people the confidence to socialize freely again.

Of course, this was rolled out during Trump’s watch, not Biden’s so there’s that. Was Trump hailed as a hero? Nah, just more of the same Dem hysterics from the usual quarters. I remember KHarris saying she would refuse the “Trump shot”.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/urls_cited/ot2021/21a90/21a90-1.pdf

 

[KDSTONE]

I can’t help but notice that no one’s mentioned the effects of the Covid vaccine in getting us out of the Rona doldrums. It arguably didn’t prevent transmission as much as touted, but it made it less likely you would die or be hospitalized. As we know, a large part of any recession is the psyche of the American consumer, and the vaccine went a long way in this regard, giving people the confidence to socialize freely again.

Of course, this was rolled out during Trump’s watch, not Biden’s so there’s that. Was Trump hailed as a hero? Nah, just more of the same Dem hysterics from the usual quarters. I remember KHarris saying she would refuse the “Trump shot”.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/urls_cited/ot2021/21a90/21a90-1.pdf

Biden deserved credit as well for continuing and accelerating the rollout on his watch. Fed funding to pay for most people’s shots iirc for the first six months, year can’t remember all the details

 

[Dattier]

I can’t help but notice that no one’s mentioned the effects of the Covid vaccine in getting us out of the Rona doldrums. It arguably didn’t prevent transmission as much as touted, but it made it less likely you would die or be hospitalized. As we know, a large part of any recession is the psyche of the American consumer, and the vaccine went a long way in this regard, giving people the confidence to socialize freely again.

Of course, this was rolled out during Trump’s watch, not Biden’s so there’s that. Was Trump hailed as a hero? Nah, just more of the same Dem hysterics from the usual quarters. I remember KHarris saying she would refuse the “Trump shot”.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/urls_cited/ot2021/21a90/21a90-1.pdf

It was rolled out on President Trump's watch. It had been under development for many, many years.
I think his attitude and leadership prior to the vaccine contributed to more deaths than there would have been otherwise. He and his followers also helped undermine trust in the vaccines.
Here's what then-Senator Harris actually said about the "Trump shot."

Biden deserved credit as well for continuing and accelerating the rollout on his watch. Fed funding to pay for most people’s shots iirc for the first six months, year can’t remember all the details

That's the first example I can recall of any conservative here giving President Biden positive credit for anything. You, @Mac9192 , @GhostOf301 , @smashmouth5 , @dukesince91 , or any others.

 

[GhostOf301]

I just don't see any reason why you need me to give that disgraceful child diddler credit for anything. Just like every President in history, he did things that were fine. But what he did that hurt the country far outweighed what good he did.

 

[Th0r]

Operation Warp Speed was one of the most effective things Trump accomplished in his first term. It helped accelerate vaccine development and pushed mRNA technology into real-world use years ahead of schedule. That breakthrough is now opening the door to treatments for cancer, autoimmune diseases, and more. It was a true leap forward in modern medicine, and Trump had every reason to take credit for it.

But instead of embracing that win, he pivoted to conspiracy theories, undermined his own public health experts, and let others take the lead on vaccine rollout and public messaging. He walked away from the success story and undercut it from the sidelines. It was a huge missed opportunity and a complete self own.

 

[Mac9192]

Give Biden credit? I don’t think he made any decisions. Whether they helped or hurt.

The classic movie “Weekend at Bernie’s” was on the other day. What we watched while Biden was President was as close to that movie as you can get.

 

[Dattier]

I just don't see any reason why you need me to give that disgraceful child diddler credit for anything. Just like every President in history, he did things that were fine. But what he did that hurt the country far outweighed what good he did.

Give Biden credit? I don’t think he made any decisions. Whether they helped or hurt.

The classic movie “Weekend at Bernie’s” was on the other day. What we watched while Biden was President was as close to that movie as you can get.

lol
Presidents get credit and blame for whatever occurs on their watch, right and wrong, fair and not.
Credit to @KDSTONE for being able to demonstrate rationale thought and logic in this way.

 

[Mac9192]

Never said the Presidents don’t get the blame or credit. I simply said Biden made none of the decisions. Any rational person knows this too.

 

[GhostOf301]

lol
Presidents get credit and blame for whatever occurs on their watch, right and wrong, fair and not.
Credit to @KDSTONE for being able to demonstrate rationale thought and logic in this way.

KD threw Biden a bone. And you're acting like he is breaking down barriers between the two of you. You and I have shared similar experiences where we give each other credit for little things here and there. It doesn't mean much with your overall attitude. There are things every President has done that deserves credit, that's as close to giving Biden credit for anything that I am willing to go. He was a disgrace before he was an empty shell. Then his wife became the disgrace by letting him pretend to be a cognitive leader.

 

[dukesince91]

It was rolled out on President Trump's watch. It had been under development for many, many years.
I think his attitude and leadership prior to the vaccine contributed to more deaths than there would have been otherwise. He and his followers also helped undermine trust in the vaccines.
Here's what then-Senator Harris actually said about the "Trump shot."


That's the first example I can recall of any conservative here giving President Biden positive credit for anything. You, @Mac9192 , @GhostOf301 , @smashmouth5 , @dukesince91 , or any others.

Vaccine, right.
It sure kept everyone from getting the virus.
Yes, I didn’t get the Covid shot and never had the virus. We were lied to by the government and pharmaceutical companies. I’m sure more people will be skeptical from here on out.

 

[KDSTONE]

Vaccine, right.
It sure kept everyone from getting the virus.
Yes, I didn’t get the Covid shot and never had the virus. We were lied to by the government and pharmaceutical companies. I’m sure more people will be skeptical from here on out.

Who contracts a virus and who doesn’t is still not fully understood. We all likely know families where some got it and some didn’t ( that they know of) They hyped up the vaccine in some quarters that it would greatly reduce transmission. This was untrue.
It did, however, alleviate the symptoms of most recipients and greatly reduced the frequency of long Covid.
To say that you never had the vaccine and never got Covid, therefore the vaccine doesn’t work is shaky. No one claimed that you would def get Covid if you didn’t have the vaccine but that it was more likely. Transmission is only part of the equation

COVID Vaccines Reduce Long COVID Risk, New Study Shows

A study published in The New England Journal of Medicine found that COVID-19 vaccinations played a key role in the drop in Long COVID cases.

www.yalemedicine.org

 

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Never said the Presidents don’t get the blame or credit. I simply said Biden made none of the decisions. Any rational person knows this too.

Yeah, yeah, you run away from every paraphrase of anything you've ever said.

KD threw Biden a bone. And you're acting like he is breaking down barriers between the two of you. You and I have shared similar experiences where we give each other credit for little things here and there. It doesn't mean much with your overall attitude. There are things every President has done that deserves credit, that's as close to giving Biden credit for anything that I am willing to go. He was a disgrace before he was an empty shell. Then his wife became the disgrace by letting him pretend to be a cognitive leader.

Aww, boo. You need a hug? I'll still have those moments with you. It's just KD's turn right now.