That’s not a strategy. That’s again saying it’s all up to Hamas and Israel is accountable for nothing.
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I’m always in defense mode, because Israel is always under attack. When talking to other pro Israel friends at work or temple or wherever, it’s much more nuanced, not just about the war but Netanyahu in general.
There’s a strong desire for the war to be over and the rebuilding to start, but we’re not there yet unfortunately. Too much of the tunnel infrastructure is still in place, as well as the negotiations with Hamas are a nonstarter as they want the war to continue and the same is often said about Bibi
That’s how wars usually end, the losing side surrenders.
That’s why the Allies carpet bombed Dresden, atomic bombed Japan. To expedite the surrender. All violations of intl law, according to you and Th0r. We’d probably still be fighting the Japanese
You’re not an international lawyer either , but that hasn’t stopped you from pretending has it? How would dabbling in military strategy be any more preposterous?
Because then you and Th0r would be in the position of being forced to acknowledge the impossible situation Israel is in. And to Leftists, this is unthinkable. Hating Israel is the new flex, and the OG flex too I guess. All this talk about war crimes, and Russia never comes up. Nor does Syria or the Sudan. Interesting. A laser focus on Israel all day every day.
Feel free to get us started on Russia or South Sudan then. If it’s important to you, you don’t have to wait on others to bring it up.
You continue to equate criticism of Israel to “hating Israel.” I don’t think that’s present here. I’m aware that sentiment exists on the Left. I respect Israel as an important ally. That doesn’t mean they are immune from criticism.
I’m the one who thinks rape is okay and that killing civilians is no big deal. As the gatekeepers of morality on this board, it would seem more natural for one of you to bring it up. Since any violations of intl law bother you so much and all.
None of my business, but thank you for sharing it anyway. That helps me understand where you’re coming from better and why you would feel like you’re always on the defense on this topic.
UPDATE: White House calls Amazon tariff price announcement "hostile" - Reuters
It’s very interesting to see the White House’s response to the question. It looks like Amazon is denying the original report for now. I do think it is only a matter of time before retailers start highlighting the tariff costs because they don’t want to take the blame.
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I saw the President roll out this talking point a couple of days ago and figured it was worth laying out a quick observation. The idea is that tariffs could replace or reduce income taxes for Americans earning under $200,000. It sounds simple enough. The problem is, it doesn’t hold up once you actually look at the numbers.
The government pulls in over two trillion dollars a year from income taxes. Even under the new 10 percent baseline tariff plan, estimates only show around 160 billion dollars a year. To cover the gap, tariffs would have to jump to about 140 percent across the board. Prices on imported goods would more than double, and even then, imports would fall off a cliff long before enough money could ever be collected.
There’s also a bigger issue. If the plan is to bring manufacturing back and cut down on imports, you’re shrinking the very thing you’re trying to tax. Fewer imports mean less tariff money. The whole strategy would end up undercutting itself.
The truth is, none of the numbers work, and the whole idea falls apart under even a little pressure. It sounds good in a Truth Social post, but it’s not serious.
So why put it out there? Either the president is trying to distract from bigger problems, or he seriously misunderstands how any of this works. Whichever it is, it should concern people who are paying attention.
Cnn states 3 trillion in income tax revenue, so that wd make his plan even less feasible
You’re right. I don’t know how they can project tariff revenue long term when demand for these imports is likely to fall off a cliff, reducing $ over time as business owners find alternatives and individual consumers buy domestic. It will be cheaper for some factories to just buy American parts now when possible. Plus, Chinese companies have accelerated the relocation of business to Taiwan, Singapore, etc to escape the tariffs
So whatever tariff revenue they get now stands to be drastically lower six mos or a year from now.
Trump says he’ll eliminate income taxes. There’s a problem with that | CNN Business
President Donald Trump on Sunday night reiterated an extraordinary ambition he and members of his administration have voiced from time to time throughout his young second term: One day, Americans won’t pay any more income tax, and you’ll have Trump’s tariffs to thank for it.
Amazon is NOT planning to break out tariff costs online...
Sounds like a denial, rather than a retraction. There's some acknowledgement that a section of Amazon considered it, but it didn't get very far.
I hope it puts the idea in other business's heads. There's no reason the consumer shouldn't have this information, and it would keep individual companies from being blamed by people who disassociate the rise in prices. What the Trump administration commented on the rumor, assuming it was true, reveals something pretty nasty: they consider knowledge in the hands of consumers a threat.
The idea that giving people accurate pricing info is somehow subversive says more about the policy than the message. Brow beating CEOs might work in the short term, but as prices rise and the impact spreads, it gets harder to keep the illusion going. This is all smoke and mirrors, and eventually, the facts catch up.
Placing overtly political statements that risk alienating half the country? Dumb move.
A company’s first obligation is to its shareholders and employees. After Bud Light, companies will think long and hard before wading into these waters again. Amazon was never going to do anything this stupid.
Not subversive, bad business. Where were the “ I’m sorry that we had to raise prices but Biden has spent your tax dollars like a drunken sailor, artificially raising demand when supply was already low” stickers last term?
Anyone not living under a rock can connect the dots re: higher prices and the tariffs. 92% of msm coverage of Trump has been negative, so I’m pretty sure that the word is out.
Trump was elected for two main reasons, excepting Kamala’s uniquely bad candidacy, inflation and the border. If prices rise under his watch, he’ll have to own that.
Why is it overtly political? Why would it alienate people from them? If a tariff has caused a 10% increase in a price, it could already harm the company. Showing consumers and reminding them that the increase was the result of a tariff -- something beyond their control -- is telling them something true.
Add to it that the democrats are so disengaged with the country. They fight the dumbest stuff. Look no further than this thread. The left is perfectly represented here, even if it is just mainly one person.
So.... this is you, not talking about any specific issue, just broadly disparaging a broad group of people, and being ugly toward Th0r. Just making note of it for the next time you complain that that's what someone else does.
Okay, will you tell me what Biden policies those were, please? Inflation was going on worldwide. Still is. What did President Biden do specifically that contributed to it?
When an X% tariff is announced -- loudly, proudly, with all kinds of hoopla -- and prices go up by that same %, there's a much clearer line between policy and effect. Worldwide circumstances around a pandemic resulting in worldwide supply chain disruption is a lot harder to pin to a single policy.
Biden’s 5.5 trillion spending in a short window of time, along with the Fed lowering interest rates were the two main ingredients.
Add in supply chain disruptions to suddenly increased artificial demand.
Inflationary pressure was already building with Trump’s stimulus packages, but Biden’s spending was the nail in the coffin re: inflation. Too much too soon. With normal supply chains it would have likely been mild inflation.
Add in supply chain disruptions to suddenly increased artificial demand.
Inflationary pressure was already building with Trump’s stimulus packages, but Biden’s spending was the nail in the coffin re: inflation. Too much too soon. With normal supply chains it would have likely been mild inflation.
Since half of Americans don’t know what a tariff is, Amazon might as well just put a Trump Sux label on their products. This decision would boomerang on Dems very quickly. Who decides if there’s a clear line from policy to price increase? How deep in the woods are Dems willing to go on this?
www.statista.com
Infographic: Only 45 Percent of Americans Know What a Tariff Is
This chart shows the share of respondents who think the following definition of tariffs is accurate.
He read it that way for a reason. He’s continuing to look for ways to sow division.
He wants Th0r to start calling us names like he does so he can play the “ I normally take the high road but these MAGA types are impossible to deal with” card.
Okay... do you see how much more complicated it would be to spell that out than it is to show the correlation between a X% tariff and an X% price increase?
What's funny is y'all thinking I really don't know who he was referring to, or that Th0r would be so easily manipulated. I thought it was a funny, obvious joke.
Wait. What does this have to do with Dems? This is about private industry informing their customers how tariffs have affected their prices.Since half of Americans don’t know what a tariff is, Amazon might as well just put a Trump Sux label on their products. This decision would boomerang on Dems very quickly. Who decides if there’s a clear line from policy to price increase? How deep in the woods are Dems willing to go on this?
Infographic: Only 45 Percent of Americans Know What a Tariff Is
This chart shows the share of respondents who think the following definition of tariffs is accurate.
Well…. if half of Americans don’t know what a tariff is, it might not be the political winner you think. They’re still trying to figure out wtf an oligarchy is.
Once companies start explaining why prices have risen, you think this won’t incriminate Dems at some point? Trump could just accuse Amazon of price gouging. That’s what Joe and Kam would do, what they actually did with food companies.
You’re right in this case it seems to be more straightforward with the tariffs, I concede that point, that with Biden you had Covid, supply chain disruptions, pent up demand once lockdowns were eased,etc. to go along with excessive spending.
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I'm not really thinking of it in political terms, at least not partisan terms. This affects everybody. I have Republicans among my loved ones, too. This feels more like a grassroots awareness campaign.
People understood enough to hold it against President Biden and VP Harris with more complicated factors than tariffs. People might not know what tariffs are, but they know who has been touting them as amazeballs.
It’s gonna be hard to take you seriously going forward if you keep using that word.
Yeh, you know the one.
A rising star in the Democrat Party. A progressive with a heart of gold. I realize these are old articles, but they’ve come back to light in the wake of Trump’s MI visit and this clown’s calls for Trump’s impeachment.
Side note: Dude is 70. wtf is his skin care regimen? Thought he was in his 40s
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Side note: Dude is 70. wtf is his skin care regimen? Thought he was in his 40s
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Who?A rising star in the Democrat Party. A progressive with a heart of gold. I realize these are old articles, but they’ve come back to light in the wake of Trump’s MI visit and this clown’s calls for Trump’s impeachment.
Side note: Dude is 70. wtf is his skin care regimen? Thought he was in his 40s
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A “rising star” in his 70s?
And this is the scandal — checks notes — allegations from 2010 tied to a company that went bankrupt before he ever held public office?
If you’re going to deflect from Trump, surely you’ve got better than this guy. Too many boomers in politics anyway. Haha.
I agree that there are too many boomers in politics. There will never be promising change until they are all dead. That is not me wishing death on them. I am just saying they will cling to their power until they're dead.
Rising star= sarcasm.
Wasn’t meant to be a deflection. I just found it horrifying and noteworthy that a so-called progressive enriches himself testing drugs on helpless dogs and monkeys, then when the facility has to be closed he abandons them to starvation. Not only made no attempts to rehome the animals, but actually obstructed the process.
You took a shot alright, but I think you’d better reload. Whiplash? I like Misfire better.If you’re going to take a shot, this is how you do it. I call this piece Whiplash.
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Three months in is a little premature for a serious evaluation. It’s still the first 100 days for heaven’s sake. I’ve shared your concerns about the impact of his tariffs but this is beginning to verge on hysteria.
I was just messing with you. I’m never okay with animal cruelty, and if the story’s true, it’s definitely a screwed up thing to do. Honestly, I’d never even heard of the guy before this. That said, I’ll never pass up a chance to complain about too much baby boomer representation in our political system.
While I agree with you that we’re still early in the term, the first 100 days are usually the high water mark and most productive stretch for any presidential administration. And so far, this one has passed zero major legislation. It only gets harder from here.
Like the first 30+ minutes of a Duke FF semifinal game featuring a freshman born in Sudan, I’ve learned the hard way not to judge too soon.
100 days is too soon… but I’d like to see that applied to things President Trump claims as the biggest victories ever. He was elected, in part, on the promise of getting incredible things done quickly. And he’s claiming that’s happening.
So if our President’s fans are going to remind skeptics that it’s only been 100 days, I’d like to see them give proportional attention to addressing his hyperbole. If it’s too soon to claim he has failed, it’s also too soon to claim success.
Border crossings down 95% in March 25 compared to March 24. We were told by the Dems that massive new legislation was needed. Nah, just a new President. I’d call that a success. The asylum system needs a massive overhaul. Hopefully that will be addressed, but the bleeding has stopped at the border and criminals are being removed from the interior.
Doge has uncovered waste and abuse at an incomprehensible level.
Never been a fan of the hyperbole so I don’t feel required to defend every tweet or comment like what he said about Carter: “He died a happy man knowing that he was no longer the worst President. Biden was“. Funny, but unnecessary.
All politicians tout their policy decisions as successes regardless of what the American people think. Bidenomics anyone? Not sure why you think Trump would be any different. I’d like to see a tiered approach to China tariffs, focusing on industries related to national security interests but we’ll see how it all plays out. Hopefully, Bessent will take the lead over Navarro in time.
Detaining and deporting people without due process detracts from what he has done at the border.
My point is that you can't point to one part of the same over-arching issue and call it a success while saying "wait and see" on another part.
The border and the economy are two different issues. You don’t think it’s good that border crossings have slowed to a trickle? Or were you a de facto open borders kind of Dem?
Re: due process the Dems have latched onto a few high profile cases to advance their Trump is a dictator mantra, while conveniently ignoring that 75% of Obama’s 3 m deportees were not given due process. So it’s clear that either Dems suddenly care about the “rule of law” or else this is just more anti Trump hysteria.
Re: Abrego Garcia the State Patrol contacted ICE when it was obvious during a traffic stop that he was trafficking humans. Ice failed to follow through appropriately. Most Americans see this as more a case of Trump cleaning up Biden’s mess than a due process issue.