No. That was actually a ret ard moment for me. I meant to say Superior.
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I’m not arguing in favor of Hamas’ position. I’m stating why the simple answer @Mac9192 seems so proud of repeating overlooks, invalidates, and disrespects every perspective except his own.
I’m well aware of the bagful of so-called “facts” you’re so fond of parroting every time anyone suggests the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the slightest bit complicated. You’ve been vomiting that into a post every time anyone doesn’t completely drop their pants and bend over for you on this topic for a year or more. If the first time I humbly suggested it’s kinda complicated you had agreed in the slightest, our conversations about it would be much further along. Instead, you want to argue that it isn’t remotely complicated. How does that feel for you now, all this time later?
Em-path-ize? Sorry about that pesky vocabulacatifying again.
And no, as I said in the very next post, well before you replied:
We’ve had this exact discussion before, and honestly, I’m not interested in repeating the same points again. Let me ask—have you ever had an actual conversation with a Muslim person? It’s a lot harder to flatten an entire faith into one sweeping image once you’ve seen the day-to-day reality—families, hard work, decency, and the same hopes you’d find anywhere else.
I genuinely don’t understand how anyone who’s spent real time with people could still believe over a billion individuals—spread across dozens of cultures, languages, and histories—can be summed up by the worst actions of a few. That’s not how reality works.
Such an awful, and weak post. From a weak man, so I’m not surprised.
A quote from the author you cite: “the only thing that deters [suicide bombers] is if they know that their sister or their mother will be raped in the event that they are caught."This is not the view representing 100% of Muslims, but is the dominant one. Th0r said we should call out “extremism wherever we find it” so I’m calling it out.
Arabs and Muslims Will Not Accept Israel as the Jewish State
The existence of a living Jewish people in a functioning Jewish state threatens the very raison d’être of Islam, which came into being to render Judaism obsolete. For that reason, Arabs and Muslimsbesacenter.org
Now, if the headline of his article is to be believed at face value, I certainly condemn that. Yes or no question for you: Do you think the threat of raping family members is an appropriate deterrent to suicide bombers? Yes or no.
My phone did an update and has been a pain in the ass with predicted words. Still my fault for not double checking before posting. But obviously I know the difference between the words.
Also, I don't care about your disclaimer that you put out there after endorsing the idea that we should consider the perspective of a terrorist organization who rapes women and beheads babies.
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@KDSTONE , @GhostOf301 , have that exact discussion on multiple topics over the course of many years and you kinda don’t have much choice but to state it a little more demonstratively, like so:
It feels like you said it’s complicated without providing any actual detail like Th0r has. It also feels like you’ve lived vicariously through a more knowledgeable, slightly less condescending poster and are now beating your chest that your vague assertions that “it’s complicated” somehow equates to you winning an argument. That’s what it kinda feels like.
I don’t feel like OUR conversations would be “further along” as you’ve added nothing to the conversation other than playing the younger brother cheerleader to Th0r. It sucks to be Robin. Everyone wants to be Batman
Thanks for asking
Comparing my posts to vomit. What a great way to show everyone that you’re a respecter of differing viewpoints and ready to operate in good faith.
You were ridiculed for your “it’s complicated” posts, not because it didn’t strictly adhere to my perspective, but because you were unwilling to elaborate on how it’s complicated, leaving all involved to suspect that you just didn’t know much about the topic . Best just not to post at all if that’s the case.
Well, after your edit, this is really 2 different things…
I am 100% sure you know the difference between “emphasize” and “empathize,” thus further examplificating how I’m really not taking my far, far, far, far, far superior vocabulary that seriously.
I think it was Sun-Tzu who said, “Know thy enemy.” You can’t do that without seeing it from their perspective. That’s empathy, which, if you have to be a totes hater, is useful even in war.
The sweeping images I have are those of women all over the Muslim world dressed in glorified garbage bags.
The normalization of child brides.
People all over the world chanting for Jews to go back to the death camps of Poland.
Imposing Sharia law wherever they can.
You say it’s the actions of “a few”. You either have your head in the sand or are just being obtuse.
You ask: Have I ever had a conversation with a Muslim person? In fact I have. I remember one vividly.
An undergrad professor who refused to write a rec for law school because I had the unmitigated gall to believe that Israel has a right to exist.
Translation: start using words like vomiting to describe posts so the last hope for civil discourse on this thread is obliterated.
No, you jumped on me for the very claim that it was a complicated situation in the first place. If you couldn’t even admit that, why should I bother engaging?
And drawing the line there — it’s fun for me, frankly. I’d love to have deeper conversations, but the resistance to any further depth is just so fascinating to me I really can’t help but to poke the bare naked little punk.
I’m not saying real problems don’t exist. Extremism, oppression, and antisemitism should be condemned everywhere they show up. But the reality is a lot bigger than the worst examples you’re listing. Millions of people live out their lives quietly—raising families, working, believing what they believe without hurting anyone. And the truth is, all the major religions and cultures have struggled with things like oppression, violence, and extremism at different points in their histories. It’s not unique to one group.
I’m sorry you had that experience with that professor. That kind of treatment is wrong. But one bad experience doesn’t speak for an entire faith or culture. If we judged any group by its worst actors, we wouldn’t have any honest conversations left. I’m not excusing anything that deserves criticism. I’m just saying it’s a mistake to turn frustration and real grievances into a blanket condemnation of over a billion people.
Actually, in defense of Israeli policy, I’m the one arguing that it’s complicated. Th0r states that international law dictates that if a hospital has any civilian use, even if just one wing of the hospital is used to treat patients or store medical equipment, that it can’t be attacked even if 99% of the hospital is used as a military hq. If this is the case, it encourages Hamas to continue its current practice of embedding in hospitals and leaves Israel with no military recourse. In this case, I seem to be the one arguing that it’s complicated.
lol “Slightly” less condescending? Good grief, that’s like claiming President Biden was the worst ever ever ever ever ever by far far faaaaaaaaaaar… (wait for it)… and then claiming Kamala Harris would’ve been WAY worse. It’s like, how can you have any credibility when you resort to such extreme hyperbole so easily, then double down even easier?
Th0r hasn’t been anywhere near as condescending as I am with y’all at this point, but he’s kicking your butts with his quality of argument and y’all have no other play in your playbook than to critique his tone. It fits everything I’ve said about how y’all start losing an argument and start attacking the person instead.
Yeh, you’d love to, but then your posts would be compared to Thor’s and you’re not quite that dumb
I just literally explained how I have issue with one aspect of his reference to intl law and hospitals. Nothing to do with tone.
You think the phrase “slightly less condescending” is hyperbolic? It seems measured to me
JMLC…
I quoted my own use of the word “vomiting” as an example of how our discourse has decayed. What the ML do you think you’re pointing out?
We have differing opinions on how Israel should defend itself within the framework of international law. International law is always going to help whoever’s losing a war. That’s just the way it works.
You mean posts I made before Th0r ever showed up here? Uh-huh. Okay, guy-who-understands-sequencing. 🙄
You said I’d love to… which means the present
Nothing's stopping you, only your own self awareness and good judgment
How is that any different from whining about how due process helps defendants and impedes lynch mobs?
Sorry to bring up that pesky vocabulary thing again, but “I’d,” in this context, is a contraction of “I would,” a verb tense know as “the conditional,” meaning it depends on other conditions. It has nothing to do with Th0r.
Here, I’ll simplify:
“I quoted my own use of the word ‘vomiting’ as an example of how our discourse has decayed. What do you think you’re pointing out?”
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It’s a bogus, loaded, slanted, gotcha question. I won’t entertain it because it’s a bad faith, bullcrap question, plus, see below…
Nice cop out. If you’re going to criticize Israel for violations of intl law, how would you meet the IDF’s objectives in these conditions?
You’re implying there’s a way to prosecute this war more humanely. Let’s get down to brass tacks here.
Speaking of loaded questions, I’ve already responded to the rape/ suicide post.
I do not accept your claim that I am implying any such thing.
I see no evidence that you accept that there is any need for brass tacks at all. Rather, I sense you are suggesting it as a means of shutting down discussion entirely, like when you ask how many undocumented immigrants I would personally be willing to house, as if it’s a micro-issue.
I haven’t whined about due process benefiting defendants. It’s different in one way because Hamas is seldom cited for its own violations of intl law: using a hospital for its military hq, using civilians as human shields. In the due process example only the defendant is on trial not the prosecution. In a war, both parties are under the constraints of intl law although prosecution often doesnt have real teeth
