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I don’t think it’s fair to blame Harris for how this played out. She wasn’t put in a good situation by the party. Biden had indicated early on that he would likely step down after one term—but he didn’t. Without a real Democratic primary, there was no chance for alternatives to emerge. By the time he exited, Harris was the only candidate with the infrastructure ready to go. It wasn’t about excitement—it was survival.

At the time, the logic made sense: Biden was seen as the “safe” choice—the one person who had already beaten Trump. But in hindsight, that assumption turned out to be badly flawed, and the party had no real backup plan when it mattered. This all goes back to that underlying fear.

The June debate was a wake-up call for a lot of mainstream Democrats. I don’t think many truly grasped Biden’s decline until they saw it live. At that point, rallying behind Harris wasn’t about hype—it was the only viable move if Democrats wanted to stay in the race.

I also agree with your points about the media. Trump exposed how badly the press is built for this era. But it’s bigger than bias—it’s structural. The same oligarchs who fund political campaigns also own much of our media and communications infrastructure. Just look at 60 Minutes: a senior producer resigns over “narrative control” while the parent company chases a merger that still needs government approval. You may hate 60 Minutes, but imagine if it were a program you agreed with. When survival depends on pleasing regulators, honest journalism becomes impossible—and trust collapses.

Harris didn’t create the situation she inherited. The real failure was systemic. It wasn’t just media or messaging—it was underlying economic issues voters didn’t feel were improving. Plenty of Trump voters genuinely like Trump, no doubt about that. But there’s also a big group that puts up with the chaos because they associate him—rightly or wrongly—with economic prosperity. They’re not voting for drama; they’re voting for a better financial future. Part of earning people’s votes is being honest about why you lost—and Democrats must show they’re serious about fixing it.
Trump has been harping on how crooked the media is since he threw his hat into the political ring in 2015. It wasn't until the rise of social media people like Joe Rogan and Charlie Kirk in 2023 though that non conservatives started to notice. It also didn't hurt Trump that he had an attempt on his life made, and one foiled. That's when a lot more people took notice.

All of this made it impossible for the Democrats (and other elitists) to rig the election of 24 like they did in 20. No, it can't be proven, but it's a fact. The phrase too big to rig was true.

I totally agree with you on Trump's supporters. I don't like how he talks sometimes, but I overlook it because I think he cares, and the system is so f n crooked. In my opinion, he's the best option we have.
 
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I think you are misreading the plan. Small business, which accounts for 85% of the businesses in the US, were crushed by regulation and tax under Biden, and did not see any way to improvement... bankruptcies exploded. Trump is looking to cut regulations, lower their tax burden, and help promote US small business growth by reversing decades of unfair trade practices across the globe. If you built a business on cheap chinese imports then I'm afraid you are part of the problem and have the choiceto adjust and embrace US supply chains or not. This imbalance has been allowed, by both sides i may add, for decades and has hidden in the shadows..much like the waste of our tax dollars...and it will take a period of readjustment to get healthy. Patience is in short supply these days and it isnt help by the fear mongering of all the so called experts on the left shouting about the sky falling. Decades of imbalance won't be fixed in a month, two months, etc...it will take time...but we will emerge healthier as a trading nation if we stay the course..imo...as a small business owner
I get where you’re coming from, and I agree both parties helped create this mess. But I’m not defending the old system—I’m saying the way this shift is being handled is reckless and putting small businesses in an impossible spot.

If the goal is to rebuild U.S. supply chains, great. I support that. But you can’t flip a switch and expect small businesses to retool overnight. Real strategy needs timelines, support, and investment—not just tariffs with no plan. Otherwise, you’re not rebuilding—you’re just wiping people out and hoping something better grows later.

Nobody expects overnight results. But patience doesn’t mean blind loyalty to a strategy that isn’t thought through. Decades of imbalance won’t be fixed by collapsing half the economy without a plan to replace it.

I’m just pushing for a smarter, more stable approach—one small businesses can actually survive long enough to benefit from.
 
How has the executive branch over the years, illustrated vividly the past couple of months, usurped Congress’ ability to regulate our nation’s trade and commerce? The Commerce Clause of the US Constitution seems clear. How did we get here. Congressional approval and buy in would outlast the whims and knee jerk decisions our recent Pres have been known for and give our nation a chance for long term manuf growth and consistency, rather than the harem skarem approach we’re seeing now. Are checks and balances even taken seriously in DC anymore?
Over the years, Congress handed off a lot of trade authority to the executive branch through stuff like the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 and the IEEPA. It was supposed to be used in limited cases, like real national security threats—but now presidents use those powers to sidestep Congress on trade whenever they want. There are lawsuits in progress right now challenging whether the president’s use of these powers is legal. You’re right—if we want real consistency and long-term growth, Congress needs to take that power back and reassert its role.

As a side note, this is also why, a couple months ago, Trump cited fentanyl as the “emergency” to justify tariffs on Canada—even though fentanyl isn’t actually flowing from there. It shows how stretched the definition of an “emergency” has gotten just to work around Congress.
 
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I get where you’re coming from, and I agree both parties helped create this mess. But I’m not defending the old system—I’m saying the way this shift is being handled is reckless and putting small businesses in an impossible spot.

If the goal is to rebuild U.S. supply chains, great. I support that. But you can’t flip a switch and expect small businesses to retool overnight. Real strategy needs timelines, support, and investment—not just tariffs with no plan. Otherwise, you’re not rebuilding—you’re just wiping people out and hoping something better grows later.

Nobody expects overnight results. But patience doesn’t mean blind loyalty to a strategy that isn’t thought through. Decades of imbalance won’t be fixed by collapsing half the economy without a plan to replace it.

I’m just pushing for a smarter, more stable approach—one small businesses can actually survive long enough to benefit from.
Dont identify a problem and not offer a solution...how would you approach it differently? Saying you dont like something without offering any alternative is just complaining. What is a smarter more stable approach? If we think we know the entire strategy, then I think we are fooling ourselves...we are not privy to all the steps.
 
Dont identify a problem and not offer a solution...how would you approach it differently? Saying you dont like something without offering any alternative is just complaining. What is a smarter more stable approach? If we think we know the entire strategy, then I think we are fooling ourselves...we are not privy to all the steps.
I discussed that in great detail in a response to Ghost yesterday morning.
 
I'm not a narcissist. I just have a better vocabulary than you. I'm entirely capable of being civil, as you well know.
You are not helping your cause for not being a narcissist by gloating about your amazing vocabulary. And yes, you are entirely capable of BEING civil. But you don't have the ability to remain civil through disagreements. As I said. Especially those pertaining to the topics that you feel inferior on, like race and LBGTQS+APV shit.
 
Genuine question here. And I’ll willfully claim ignorance on this one.

Why are we as a country, and Trump, so invested in Israel? It seems that protecting Israel was the first thing out of every cabinet members mouth after they were confirmed. Trump also implemented an executive order to stop anti-semitism.

I just don’t understand why we care so much about Israel.
 
Genuine question here. And I’ll willfully claim ignorance on this one.

Why are we as a country, and Trump, so invested in Israel? It seems that protecting Israel was the first thing out of every cabinet members mouth after they were confirmed. Trump also implemented an executive order to stop anti-semitism.

I just don’t understand why we care so much about Israel.
Though the idea of being the world police doesn't appeal to me, in the case of Israel, their very existence relies on a strong partnership with the U.S. . Religiously speaking, Israel and Judea are holy land and should be protected. Strategically speaking, they are important allies for many geographical reasons, not just militarily either. They are also the only true democracy in the Middle East. There are many reasons to stand by Israel.
 
Genuine question here. And I’ll willfully claim ignorance on this one.

Why are we as a country, and Trump, so invested in Israel? It seems that protecting Israel was the first thing out of every cabinet members mouth after they were confirmed. Trump also implemented an executive order to stop anti-semitism.

I just don’t understand why we care so much about Israel.
It’s become even more clear after Oct 7 that Jews still need a safe haven of their own. Europe is no longer safe, the United States could be the same in a generation. The UK has turned over large swaths of its country to medievals who think shedding Jewish blood ensures that 72 virgins await. The US has congresswomen who vote against funding for Israel’s Iron Dome, which allowed Israel to survive the genocidal attacks from Iran last year.
The executive order to combat anti semitism is designed to protect Jewish students’ civil rights. If Black or Hispanic students were prevented from going to class or moving freely on campus, it would clearly be a civil rights violation Same applies here. When pressed, the campus protesters will invariably reply “ We don’t hate Jews. We hate Zionists”. This defense is problematic on several levels, not the least of which is they call identifiably Jewish students Zionists without even knowing their politics so it’s clear this is a means to separate college students from their heritage and religion , an outrageous offense regardless of your views on Israeli policy. Another problem with the “we’re just anti Zionist not anti Jewish” defense is that the vast majority of Jews identify as Zionist so this is a distinction without much of a difference.
Your original ? about Israel: I’d second and third Ghost and Chris’s points and emphasize that Israel is a crucial intelligence partner. Mossad has helped the US and the West at large thwart countless terror attacks over the decades.
 
You are not helping your cause for not being a narcissist by gloating about your amazing vocabulary. And yes, you are entirely capable of BEING civil. But you don't have the ability to remain civil through disagreements. As I said. Especially those pertaining to the topics that you feel inferior on, like race and LBGTQS+APV shit.
He used to tell us what a brilliant writer he is. Now it’s just his vocabulary.
Before long he’ll be bragging that he finished third in his school spelling bee
 
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It’s become even more clear after Oct 7 that Jews still need a safe haven of their own. Europe is no longer safe, the United States could be the same in a generation. The UK has turned over large swaths of its country to medievals who think shedding Jewish blood ensures that 72 virgins await. The US has congresswomen who vote against funding for Israel’s Iron Dome, which allowed Israel to survive the genocidal attacks from Iran last year.
This is a huge reason why we needed to do something drastic within our own country. @Th0r means well, but his views are when you have a functioning system in place. Our country has gone off the rails with so many topics. We need strong leadership. Someone who makes tough decisions. To the point that it almost borders on dictatorship.

It’s similar to the 80’s fact based movie Lean on Me. Principal Joe Clark made radical decisions. Expelling the gangs, misfits, and even violating a fire code. All to protect the students.
 
Though the idea of being the world police doesn't appeal to me, in the case of Israel, their very existence relies on a strong partnership with the U.S. . Religiously speaking, Israel and Judea are holy land and should be protected. Strategically speaking, they are important allies for many geographical reasons, not just militarily either. They are also the only true democracy in the Middle East. There are many reasons to stand by Israel.
I’m not so much asking if they should be protected. I’m more so trying to figure out why they get special privileges that other countries don’t. Would you say your stance is more that they don’t get special privileges or they do and you’re okay with it?

I’m diving deep into this subject now so I’m genuinely curious. I’m at a little bit of a loss and trying to piece the puzzle together.
 
It’s become even more clear after Oct 7 that Jews still need a safe haven of their own. Europe is no longer safe, the United States could be the same in a generation. The UK has turned over large swaths of its country to medievals who think shedding Jewish blood ensures that 72 virgins await. The US has congresswomen who vote against funding for Israel’s Iron Dome, which allowed Israel to survive the genocidal attacks from Iran last year.
The executive order to combat anti semitism is designed to protect Jewish students’ civil rights. If Black or Hispanic students were prevented from going to class or moving freely on campus, it would clearly be a civil rights violation Same applies here. When pressed, the campus protesters will invariably reply “ We don’t hate Jews. We hate Zionists”. This defense is problematic on several levels, not the least of which is they call identifiably Jewish students Zionists without even knowing their politics so it’s clear this is a means to separate college students from their heritage and religion , an outrageous offense regardless of your views on Israeli policy. Another problem with the “we’re just anti Zionist not anti Jewish” defense is that the vast majority of Jews identify as Zionist so this is a distinction without much of a difference.
Your original ? about Israel: I’d second and third Ghost and Chris’s points and emphasize that Israel is a crucial intelligence partner. Mossad has helped the US and the West at large thwart countless terror attacks over the decades.
Do you have a link or source from Trump that details what the executive order for antisemitism is for? I haven’t seen anything with him specifying what he meant.
 
I’m not so much asking if they should be protected. I’m more so trying to figure out why they get special privileges that other countries don’t. Would you say your stance is more that they don’t get special privileges or they do and you’re okay with it?

I’m diving deep into this subject now so I’m genuinely curious. I’m at a little bit of a loss and trying to piece the puzzle together.
What “special privileges”? Sounds a little tropey
Are you seriously asking why the homeland of Judaism and Christianity should be protected from Islamic invasion?
 
What “special privileges”? Sounds a little tropey
Are you seriously asking why the homeland of Judaism and Christianity should be protected from Islamic invasion?
I’m referring to why they are the only country that doesn’t have to register under the FARA act.
 
Do you have a link or source from Trump that details what the executive order for antisemitism is for? I haven’t seen anything with him specifying what he meant.
I thought I included that in my post. Routinely barred from sections of campus, blocking class attendance, racial slurs, intimidation with chants of intifada, etc. Universities doing very little or nothing at all to protect students’ civil rights. Continued federal funding contingent on the improvements of this situation, as well as other conditions related to DEI and hiring that many feel fall into the govt overreach lane
 
It’s pro Israeli, not Israeli. It’s an American based lobby.
The Qataris have given billions to politicians. Doubt they’ve registered under FARA.
Same with CAIR.
 
It’s pro Israeli, not Israeli. It’s an American based lobby.
The Qataris have given billions to politicians. Doubt they’ve registered under FARA.
Same with CAIR.
I mean, isn’t that like saying boosters are pro Duke and not Duke University?
 
I mean, isn’t that like saying boosters are pro Duke and not Duke University?
AIPAC supports American politicians who support Israel. They don’t actually work for Israel directly.
So you’re saying American Jews and right wing Christians are foreign agents? This comprises the bulk of their donations. AIPAC is an American lobby.
FARA requires foreign agents to register
 
It’s become even more clear after Oct 7 that Jews still need a safe haven of their own. Europe is no longer safe, the United States could be the same in a generation. The UK has turned over large swaths of its country to medievals who think shedding Jewish blood ensures that 72 virgins await. The US has congresswomen who vote against funding for Israel’s Iron Dome, which allowed Israel to survive the genocidal attacks from Iran last year.
The executive order to combat anti semitism is designed to protect Jewish students’ civil rights. If Black or Hispanic students were prevented from going to class or moving freely on campus, it would clearly be a civil rights violation Same applies here. When pressed, the campus protesters will invariably reply “ We don’t hate Jews. We hate Zionists”. This defense is problematic on several levels, not the least of which is they call identifiably Jewish students Zionists without even knowing their politics so it’s clear this is a means to separate college students from their heritage and religion , an outrageous offense regardless of your views on Israeli policy. Another problem with the “we’re just anti Zionist not anti Jewish” defense is that the vast majority of Jews identify as Zionist so this is a distinction without much of a difference.
Your original ? about Israel: I’d second and third Ghost and Chris’s points and emphasize that Israel is a crucial intelligence partner. Mossad has helped the US and the West at large thwart countless terror attacks over the decades.

This is a huge reason why we needed to do something drastic within our own country. @Th0r means well, but his views are when you have a functioning system in place. Our country has gone off the rails with so many topics. We need strong leadership. Someone who makes tough decisions. To the point that it almost borders on dictatorship.

It’s similar to the 80’s fact based movie Lean on Me. Principal Joe Clark made radical decisions. Expelling the gangs, misfits, and even violating a fire code. All to protect the students.
These are some truly wild takes. The U.S. remains one of the safest, most influential places for Jewish citizens. FBI data backs that up. Painting America as a ticking time bomb of antisemitism isn’t just wrong—it’s a lazy attempt to shut down legitimate debate by manufacturing hysteria.

The Iron Dome vote wasn’t about supporting attacks on Jews. It was about whether U.S. military aid should come with basic oversight—especially after what happened in Gaza in 2021. Fiscal responsibility is somehow critical when Ukraine asks for help, but apparently optional when Israel cashes the check.

“Anti-Zionism equals antisemitism” is a false equivalence. Zionism is political, not ethnic or religious. Criticizing a government’s policies isn’t bigotry. Pew Research shows more American Jews, especially younger ones, don’t automatically identify with Zionism—and many openly criticize Israeli government actions. Nor do all Jews in Israel identify with Zionism, particularly among ultra-Orthodox and secular communities. Pretending Jews are politically uniform is historically inaccurate and irresponsible.

Calling Muslims “medievals” is racist. Bigotry toward one group doesn’t justify bigotry toward another. That kind of double standard kills any legitimate moral argument.

Fear, outrage, and frustration with the system are not excuses to abandon democratic values. Hard times are when protecting constitutional rights matters most—not when they’re tossed aside for emotional gratification. Leadership that only “works” when the rules are ignored isn’t leadership at all—it’s authoritarianism in disguise.

Openly admitting support for dictatorship because “the system isn’t working” genuinely made me spit out my drink. Comparing Joe Clark—a high school principal enforcing school rules—to a leader dismantling constitutional democracy exposes a shallow understanding of basic civics. Enforcing discipline inside a building isn’t remotely the same as dismantling the checks and balances of a republic.

Israel was right to respond militarily after the Hamas attacks on October 7. No nation should tolerate civilians being slaughtered. That right doesn’t extend to bombing refugee camps, flattening hospitals, or killing thousands of innocents. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Silencing protest at home while claiming to defend freedom abroad is indefensible. A commitment to democracy isn’t real if it disappears the moment it feels inconvenient.

Unquestioning support for the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza fuels resentment, backlash, and ultimately empowers the very extremists everyone claims to oppose. Real allies demand better. Real leadership requires better. History will not look kindly on blind obedience dressed up as strength.

Really impressive gymnastics today, gentlemen. Carry on.
 
AIPAC supports American politicians who support Israel. They don’t actually work for Israel directly.
So you’re saying American Jews and right wing Christians are foreign agents? This comprises the bulk of their donations. AIPAC is an American lobby.
FARA requires foreign agents to register
I’m saying that considering the amount of money we give to Israel every year, along with our incessant need to support them, I can easily see money being funneled back through AIPAC for corruption.
 
These are some truly wild takes. The U.S. remains one of the safest, most influential places for Jewish citizens. FBI data backs that up. Painting America as a ticking time bomb of antisemitism isn’t just wrong—it’s a lazy attempt to shut down legitimate debate by manufacturing hysteria.

The Iron Dome vote wasn’t about supporting attacks on Jews. It was about whether U.S. military aid should come with basic oversight—especially after what happened in Gaza in 2021. Fiscal responsibility is somehow critical when Ukraine asks for help, but apparently optional when Israel cashes the check.

“Anti-Zionism equals antisemitism” is a false equivalence. Zionism is political, not ethnic or religious. Criticizing a government’s policies isn’t bigotry. Pew Research shows more American Jews, especially younger ones, don’t automatically identify with Zionism—and many openly criticize Israeli government actions. Nor do all Jews in Israel identify with Zionism, particularly among ultra-Orthodox and secular communities. Pretending Jews are politically uniform is historically inaccurate and irresponsible.

Calling Muslims “medievals” is racist. Bigotry toward one group doesn’t justify bigotry toward another. That kind of double standard kills any legitimate moral argument.

Fear, outrage, and frustration with the system are not excuses to abandon democratic values. Hard times are when protecting constitutional rights matters most—not when they’re tossed aside for emotional gratification. Leadership that only “works” when the rules are ignored isn’t leadership at all—it’s authoritarianism in disguise.

Openly admitting support for dictatorship because “the system isn’t working” genuinely made me spit out my drink. Comparing Joe Clark—a high school principal enforcing school rules—to a leader dismantling constitutional democracy exposes a shallow understanding of basic civics. Enforcing discipline inside a building isn’t remotely the same as dismantling the checks and balances of a republic.

Israel was right to respond militarily after the Hamas attacks on October 7. No nation should tolerate civilians being slaughtered. That right doesn’t extend to bombing refugee camps, flattening hospitals, or killing thousands of innocents. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Silencing protest at home while claiming to defend freedom abroad is indefensible. A commitment to democracy isn’t real if it disappears the moment it feels inconvenient.

Unquestioning support for the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza fuels resentment, backlash, and ultimately empowers the very extremists everyone claims to oppose. Real allies demand better. Real leadership requires better. History will not look kindly on blind obedience dressed up as strength.

Really impressive gymnastics today, gentlemen. Carry on.
I said to myself as I typed the dictator part that you’d go bonkers. I wish DraftKings had that as an option. I’d have bet the farm.
You seem to put more faith in the system than I do. It’s corrupt to the core. Plain and simple. What’s worse is to expect the same system that has been failing to all the sudden work like it should!! That’s taking being naive to a whole new level.

Again, it’s why a man with no political experience could all the sudden hold the highest office his first time around.
 
I’m saying that considering the amount of money we give to Israel every year, along with our incessant need to support them, I can easily see money being funneled back through AIPAC for corruption.
These are some truly wild takes. The U.S. remains one of the safest, most influential places for Jewish citizens. FBI data backs that up. Painting America as a ticking time bomb of antisemitism isn’t just wrong—it’s a lazy attempt to shut down legitimate debate by manufacturing hysteria.

The Iron Dome vote wasn’t about supporting attacks on Jews. It was about whether U.S. military aid should come with basic oversight—especially after what happened in Gaza in 2021. Fiscal responsibility is somehow critical when Ukraine asks for help, but apparently optional when Israel cashes the check.

“Anti-Zionism equals antisemitism” is a false equivalence. Zionism is political, not ethnic or religious. Criticizing a government’s policies isn’t bigotry. Pew Research shows more American Jews, especially younger ones, don’t automatically identify with Zionism—and many openly criticize Israeli government actions. Nor do all Jews in Israel identify with Zionism, particularly among ultra-Orthodox and secular communities. Pretending Jews are politically uniform is historically inaccurate and irresponsible.

Calling Muslims “medievals” is racist. Bigotry toward one group doesn’t justify bigotry toward another. That kind of double standard kills any legitimate moral argument.

Fear, outrage, and frustration with the system are not excuses to abandon democratic values. Hard times are when protecting constitutional rights matters most—not when they’re tossed aside for emotional gratification. Leadership that only “works” when the rules are ignored isn’t leadership at all—it’s authoritarianism in disguise.

Openly admitting support for dictatorship because “the system isn’t working” genuinely made me spit out my drink. Comparing Joe Clark—a high school principal enforcing school rules—to a leader dismantling constitutional democracy exposes a shallow understanding of basic civics. Enforcing discipline inside a building isn’t remotely the same as dismantling the checks and balances of a republic.

Israel was right to respond militarily after the Hamas attacks on October 7. No nation should tolerate civilians being slaughtered. That right doesn’t extend to bombing refugee camps, flattening hospitals, or killing thousands of innocents. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Silencing protest at home while claiming to defend freedom abroad is indefensible. A commitment to democracy isn’t real if it disappears the moment it feels inconvenient.

Unquestioning support for the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza fuels resentment, backlash, and ultimately empowers the very extremists everyone claims to oppose. Real allies demand better. Real leadership requires better. History will not look kindly on blind obedience dressed up as strength.

Really impressive gymnastics today, gentlemen. Carry on.
You’re the gymnast here. The fact that the US isn’t as antisemitic as Europe or the Middle East is hardly call for celebration.
Hamas uses hospitals and refugee camps as military hq, which makes them fair game. Hamas wants these facilities to be attacked, to further demonize Israel. Ooh look they’re attacking hospitals. Why does the Left continue to reward Hamas for its tactics. Surely you’re smarter than that. Isn’t it a violation of intl law to hide weapons and station solders in hospitals? You never mention that.
Hamas hides behind civilians so in order to destroy Hamas civilians will be killed. The alternative is a perpetual stalemate, again exactly what the Left and Hamas want.
Islamists have recently slaughtered dozens of Hindus in India Let me guess: India’s policies have radicalized the Muslims. When are you going to acknowledge the true nature of Islam?
 
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These are some truly wild takes. The U.S. remains one of the safest, most influential places for Jewish citizens. FBI data backs that up. Painting America as a ticking time bomb of antisemitism isn’t just wrong—it’s a lazy attempt to shut down legitimate debate by manufacturing hysteria.

The Iron Dome vote wasn’t about supporting attacks on Jews. It was about whether U.S. military aid should come with basic oversight—especially after what happened in Gaza in 2021. Fiscal responsibility is somehow critical when Ukraine asks for help, but apparently optional when Israel cashes the check.

“Anti-Zionism equals antisemitism” is a false equivalence. Zionism is political, not ethnic or religious. Criticizing a government’s policies isn’t bigotry. Pew Research shows more American Jews, especially younger ones, don’t automatically identify with Zionism—and many openly criticize Israeli government actions. Nor do all Jews in Israel identify with Zionism, particularly among ultra-Orthodox and secular communities. Pretending Jews are politically uniform is historically inaccurate and irresponsible.

Calling Muslims “medievals” is racist. Bigotry toward one group doesn’t justify bigotry toward another. That kind of double standard kills any legitimate moral argument.

Fear, outrage, and frustration with the system are not excuses to abandon democratic values. Hard times are when protecting constitutional rights matters most—not when they’re tossed aside for emotional gratification. Leadership that only “works” when the rules are ignored isn’t leadership at all—it’s authoritarianism in disguise.

Openly admitting support for dictatorship because “the system isn’t working” genuinely made me spit out my drink. Comparing Joe Clark—a high school principal enforcing school rules—to a leader dismantling constitutional democracy exposes a shallow understanding of basic civics. Enforcing discipline inside a building isn’t remotely the same as dismantling the checks and balances of a republic.

Israel was right to respond militarily after the Hamas attacks on October 7. No nation should tolerate civilians being slaughtered. That right doesn’t extend to bombing refugee camps, flattening hospitals, or killing thousands of innocents. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Silencing protest at home while claiming to defend freedom abroad is indefensible. A commitment to democracy isn’t real if it disappears the moment it feels inconvenient.

Unquestioning support for the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza fuels resentment, backlash, and ultimately empowers the very extremists everyone claims to oppose. Real allies demand better. Real leadership requires better. History will not look kindly on blind obedience dressed up as strength.

Really impressive gymnastics today, gentlemen. Carry on.
“Silencing protest at home”. When Hamas is funding many of the protests, it’s no longer just a free speech issue.
 
These are some truly wild takes. The U.S. remains one of the safest, most influential places for Jewish citizens. FBI data backs that up. Painting America as a ticking time bomb of antisemitism isn’t just wrong—it’s a lazy attempt to shut down legitimate debate by manufacturing hysteria.

The Iron Dome vote wasn’t about supporting attacks on Jews. It was about whether U.S. military aid should come with basic oversight—especially after what happened in Gaza in 2021. Fiscal responsibility is somehow critical when Ukraine asks for help, but apparently optional when Israel cashes the check.

“Anti-Zionism equals antisemitism” is a false equivalence. Zionism is political, not ethnic or religious. Criticizing a government’s policies isn’t bigotry. Pew Research shows more American Jews, especially younger ones, don’t automatically identify with Zionism—and many openly criticize Israeli government actions. Nor do all Jews in Israel identify with Zionism, particularly among ultra-Orthodox and secular communities. Pretending Jews are politically uniform is historically inaccurate and irresponsible.

Calling Muslims “medievals” is racist. Bigotry toward one group doesn’t justify bigotry toward another. That kind of double standard kills any legitimate moral argument.

Fear, outrage, and frustration with the system are not excuses to abandon democratic values. Hard times are when protecting constitutional rights matters most—not when they’re tossed aside for emotional gratification. Leadership that only “works” when the rules are ignored isn’t leadership at all—it’s authoritarianism in disguise.

Openly admitting support for dictatorship because “the system isn’t working” genuinely made me spit out my drink. Comparing Joe Clark—a high school principal enforcing school rules—to a leader dismantling constitutional democracy exposes a shallow understanding of basic civics. Enforcing discipline inside a building isn’t remotely the same as dismantling the checks and balances of a republic.

Israel was right to respond militarily after the Hamas attacks on October 7. No nation should tolerate civilians being slaughtered. That right doesn’t extend to bombing refugee camps, flattening hospitals, or killing thousands of innocents. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Silencing protest at home while claiming to defend freedom abroad is indefensible. A commitment to democracy isn’t real if it disappears the moment it feels inconvenient.

Unquestioning support for the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza fuels resentment, backlash, and ultimately empowers the very extremists everyone claims to oppose. Real allies demand better. Real leadership requires better. History will not look kindly on blind obedience dressed up as strength.

Really impressive gymnastics today, gentlemen. Carry on.
The protests weren’t merely about criticizing Israeli policies. This was perhaps the starting point. They devolved however into chants for genocide, harassment of Jewish students, and impeding Jewish students’ freedom to move freely about on campus.
Zionism is defined as believing the Jews have a right to exist in their ancient homeland. You may not like that definition as it doesn’t have the negative political connotations you prefer. That’s what the word means. That’s why most Jews are Zionist. Never said all Jews or Zionists have uniform beliefs.
So in one post, you’ve used the words lazy, irresponsible, racist ( but of course).
You were able to discuss Trump’s economic policies civilly. Jury’s still out on everything else
 
These are some truly wild takes. The U.S. remains one of the safest, most influential places for Jewish citizens. FBI data backs that up. Painting America as a ticking time bomb of antisemitism isn’t just wrong—it’s a lazy attempt to shut down legitimate debate by manufacturing hysteria.

The Iron Dome vote wasn’t about supporting attacks on Jews. It was about whether U.S. military aid should come with basic oversight—especially after what happened in Gaza in 2021. Fiscal responsibility is somehow critical when Ukraine asks for help, but apparently optional when Israel cashes the check.

“Anti-Zionism equals antisemitism” is a false equivalence. Zionism is political, not ethnic or religious. Criticizing a government’s policies isn’t bigotry. Pew Research shows more American Jews, especially younger ones, don’t automatically identify with Zionism—and many openly criticize Israeli government actions. Nor do all Jews in Israel identify with Zionism, particularly among ultra-Orthodox and secular communities. Pretending Jews are politically uniform is historically inaccurate and irresponsible.

Calling Muslims “medievals” is racist. Bigotry toward one group doesn’t justify bigotry toward another. That kind of double standard kills any legitimate moral argument.

Fear, outrage, and frustration with the system are not excuses to abandon democratic values. Hard times are when protecting constitutional rights matters most—not when they’re tossed aside for emotional gratification. Leadership that only “works” when the rules are ignored isn’t leadership at all—it’s authoritarianism in disguise.

Openly admitting support for dictatorship because “the system isn’t working” genuinely made me spit out my drink. Comparing Joe Clark—a high school principal enforcing school rules—to a leader dismantling constitutional democracy exposes a shallow understanding of basic civics. Enforcing discipline inside a building isn’t remotely the same as dismantling the checks and balances of a republic.

Israel was right to respond militarily after the Hamas attacks on October 7. No nation should tolerate civilians being slaughtered. That right doesn’t extend to bombing refugee camps, flattening hospitals, or killing thousands of innocents. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Silencing protest at home while claiming to defend freedom abroad is indefensible. A commitment to democracy isn’t real if it disappears the moment it feels inconvenient.

Unquestioning support for the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza fuels resentment, backlash, and ultimately empowers the very extremists everyone claims to oppose. Real allies demand better. Real leadership requires better. History will not look kindly on blind obedience dressed up as strength.

Really impressive gymnastics today, gentlemen. Carry on.
Islam is a religion, not a race. To say my comments are racist is inaccurate, lazy, and irresponsible.
They want to deny basic human rights to all non Muslims and do so when in power. I stand by what I said.
 
You’re the gymnast here. The fact that the US isn’t as antisemitic as Europe or the Middle East is hardly call for celebration.
Hamas uses hospitals and refugee camps as military hq, which makes them fair game. Hamas wants these facilities to be attacked, to further demonize Israel. Ooh look they’re attacking hospitals. Why does the Left continue to reward Hamas for its tactics. Surely you’re smarter than that. Isn’t it a violation of intl law to hide weapons and station solders in hospitals? You never mention that.
Hamas hides behind civilians so in order to destroy Hamas civilians will be killed. The alternative is a perpetual stalemate, again exactly what the Left and Hamas want.
Islamists have recently slaughtered dozens of Hindus in India Let me guess: India’s policies have radicalized the Muslims. When are you going to acknowledge the true nature of Islam?
I’ve said before, having militants near civilians doesn’t erase Israel’s legal responsibility to tell the difference between military and civilian targets. The Geneva Conventions are clear: knowingly hitting civilians, even if militants are nearby, is still a violation of the laws of war. Using Hamas’s tactics to excuse bombing entire neighborhoods just doesn’t line up with the standards the world’s been trying to hold for decades.

Same goes for hospitals and refugee camps. Under international law, you have to be sure a place is being used exclusively for combat before targeting it, and you have to weigh the risk to civilians. Just saying Hamas might be nearby isn’t enough. There have been strikes on hospitals and camps without real proof they were active military sites, and that matters.

Comparing what’s happening to the violence between Hindus and Muslims in India really misses the point. Those conflicts are driven by a mess of politics, history, and nationalism—not just religion. Simplifying it down to “it’s about faith” ignores reality. History’s pretty clear: wiping out civilians doesn’t bring peace; it just keeps the cycle of extremism going.

I criticized you because your comments about Muslims didn’t meet the level of serious debate we usually have. I’ve been consistent every time we’ve talked—I’ve called out Hamas clearly and directly. I’m pointing it out because I know you’re capable of better conversations than that.

Islam is a religion, not a race. To say my comments are racist is inaccurate, lazy, and irresponsible.
They want to deny basic human rights to all non Muslims and do so when in power. I stand by what I said.
Islam is a religion, not a race, but using sweeping generalizations to condemn over a billion people crosses into dangerous territory. Criticizing extremists is legitimate; collapsing an entire faith into a stereotype is not. Dehumanization by category has never led to serious solutions—only more division.

Extremism should be called out wherever it appears, but precision matters. Broad claims about entire religious groups undermine any serious discussion and weaken legitimate criticism by blurring fact and bias.

If the goal is accountability, it has to be rooted in facts and actions, not assumptions about people’s faith.
 
I’ve said before, having militants near civilians doesn’t erase Israel’s legal responsibility to tell the difference between military and civilian targets. The Geneva Conventions are clear: knowingly hitting civilians, even if militants are nearby, is still a violation of the laws of war. Using Hamas’s tactics to excuse bombing entire neighborhoods just doesn’t line up with the standards the world’s been trying to hold for decades.

Same goes for hospitals and refugee camps. Under international law, you have to be sure a place is being used exclusively for combat before targeting it, and you have to weigh the risk to civilians. Just saying Hamas might be nearby isn’t enough. There have been strikes on hospitals and camps without real proof they were active military sites, and that matters.
I’m not saying Israel is 100% the victim, but I think as a general rule it’s fair to say they don’t start the crap that happens. You citing the Geneva Convention tells me a lot. What’s Israel to do when Hamas goes hiding among civilians after attacking them? Maybe they should shout “Come Out, Come Out wherever you are!” That will do it!!!!

Come on man. I’ve said it before and it’s true. If Hamas lays down their guns, there’s no more war. If Israel lays down theirs, there’s no more Israel.
 
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You are not helping your cause for not being a narcissist by gloating about your amazing vocabulary. And yes, you are entirely capable of BEING civil. But you don't have the ability to remain civil through disagreements. As I said. Especially those pertaining to the topics that you feel inferior on, like race and LBGTQS+APV shit.
So I'm a narcissist... but I feel inferior on subjects I'm heavily invested in. Gotcha.

And a vocabulary flex... seriously? I mean, it's true that I have a better vocabulary than you, but I bet I also make better grilled cheese sandwiches than you, too. And that I know more about Russian literature than you. Just the facts, brocephous. And outside of a pretty narrow context, so what?
 
He used to tell us what a brilliant writer he is. Now it’s just his vocabulary.
Before long he’ll be bragging that he finished third in his school spelling bee
Oh, I'm a good writer, too. I never made it out of a classroom spelling bee, let alone get to the school spelling bee.
One of your best go-to attacks with me is that I've spent my entire life in the public sector and in academia. Guilty as charged. You don't do that without developing academic skills, and I have them. They're not always relevant, but I have them.
If you're a quantum physicist, you have every right to say you know quantum physics. If the topic is lawn-mowing tips, neither your skills nor mine have any relevance.
 
Come on man. I’ve said it before and it’s true. If Hamas lays down their guns, there’s no more war. If Israel lays down theirs, there’s no more Israel.
That's true from a pro-Israel perspective. From Hamas' perspective, if they lay down their guns, it accepts a status quo that is untenable for Palestinians.
Your argument is the argument used to resist every human rights and civil rights struggle: "If the people who think they are oppressed would just stop, everything would be fine." ...Except their oppression as they see it continues.
 
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That's true from a pro-Israel perspective. From Hamas' perspective, if they lay down their guns, it accepts a status quo that is untenable for Palestinians.
Your argument is the argument used to resist every human rights and civil rights struggle: "If the people who think they are oppressed would just stop, everything would be fine." ...Except their oppression as they see it continues.
Except in most “civil rights struggles” the so called oppressed don’t aspire to commit genocide If Martin Luther King or the IRA wished to annihilate the US and the UK it would be news to me.
You should read Hamas’ charter. One of its core missions is to destroy Israel and to kill Jews wherever they find them. Not the IDF, not “Zionists”, Jews. They were elected attached to this rhetoric anyway or because of it.
If elections were held today, results would be the same. Th0r likes to place the blame for this radicalized population on Israel’s policies. Ignoring the role of the Quran and Hamas “education camps” funded by the West and UNRWA.
 
That's true from a pro-Israel perspective. From Hamas' perspective, if they lay down their guns, it accepts a status quo that is untenable for Palestinians.
Your argument is the argument used to resist every human rights and civil rights struggle: "If the people who think they are oppressed would just stop, everything would be fine." ...Except their oppression as they see it continues.
You act like there’s a strong military presence just for the hell of it. Has nothing to do with daily terror attacks of course. Israel left Gaza in exchange for peace. Israel was rewarded with losing the US equivalent of 40k citizens in one day. Any relaxation of security measures has always ended in more Israeli deaths.
 
Oh, I'm a good writer, too. I never made it out of a classroom spelling bee, let alone get to the school spelling bee.
One of your best go-to attacks with me is that I've spent my entire life in the public sector and in academia. Guilty as charged. You don't do that without developing academic skills, and I have them. They're not always relevant, but I have them.
If you're a quantum physicist, you have every right to say you know quantum physics. If the topic is lawn-mowing tips, neither your skills nor mine have any relevance.

I’ve said before, having militants near civilians doesn’t erase Israel’s legal responsibility to tell the difference between military and civilian targets. The Geneva Conventions are clear: knowingly hitting civilians, even if militants are nearby, is still a violation of the laws of war. Using Hamas’s tactics to excuse bombing entire neighborhoods just doesn’t line up with the standards the world’s been trying to hold for decades.

Same goes for hospitals and refugee camps. Under international law, you have to be sure a place is being used exclusively for combat before targeting it, and you have to weigh the risk to civilians. Just saying Hamas might be nearby isn’t enough. There have been strikes on hospitals and camps without real proof they were active military sites, and that matters.

Comparing what’s happening to the violence between Hindus and Muslims in India really misses the point. Those conflicts are driven by a mess of politics, history, and nationalism—not just religion. Simplifying it down to “it’s about faith” ignores reality. History’s pretty clear: wiping out civilians doesn’t bring peace; it just keeps the cycle of extremism going.

I criticized you because your comments about Muslims didn’t meet the level of serious debate we usually have. I’ve been consistent every time we’ve talked—I’ve called out Hamas clearly and directly. I’m pointing it out because I know you’re capable of better conversations than that.


Islam is a religion, not a race, but using sweeping generalizations to condemn over a billion people crosses into dangerous territory. Criticizing extremists is legitimate; collapsing an entire faith into a stereotype is not. Dehumanization by category has never led to serious solutions—only more division.

Extremism should be called out wherever it appears, but precision matters. Broad claims about entire religious groups undermine any serious discussion and weaken legitimate criticism by blurring fact and bias.

If the goal is accountability, it has to be rooted in facts and actions, not assumptions about people’s faith.
So the Idf discovers that a hospital is being used mainly to house Hamas fighters and store bombs and other weaponry. One floor still has some use as a hospital Some doctors are suspected of being Hamas fighters based on intel. What’s Israel’s next move in accordance with intl law?
 
This is not the view representing 100% of Muslims, but is the dominant one. Th0r said we should call out “extremism wherever we find it” so I’m calling it out.

 
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