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The poverty rates were in the 50s back then and usually around 20% for the AA now. A much higher % of AAs are getting four year degrees and in the middle class now.
Out of wedlock birth rates are now around 80% compared to about 25 then. Crime is up, but this is unreliable since many Blacks in the Crow era didn’t report crime since the cops in a lot of places didn’t adequately respond to Black neighborhoods.
President Nixon’s War on Drugs was deliberately designed to target Black families. President Reagan’s privatizing prisons removed incentives for rehabilitation and increased lobbying for ever stricter prosecution and sentencing. President Clinton and then Senator Biden pushed the Crime Bill that targeted Black neighborhoods.
Jim Crow ended and the country still found a way to stick it to Black people anyway, in ways that harmed them in the exact ways you’re pointing out.
 
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That’s such an old, tired trope. It’s like you watched YouTube videos of Malcolm X and read some memes and think you have wisdom.
I’m not here to save anyone. My work isn’t about saving anyone.
What is your work about?
And it’s like you read some Lyndon B. Johnson memes and think you know how to save black people. Your coddling of black people is actually hurting them more than it’s helping.

What work am I doing? Good question. I’m showing black people that they aren’t victims and aren’t oppressed like you and other libs want them to believe.
 
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Nope. If you understand why we have Black History month but not White History Month, or why Black Pride is an acceptable concept and White Pride isn’t, then you can figure it out yourself.
Not remotely the same, but thanks for telling us you don’t know either Datt style
 
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And it’s like you read some Lyndon B. Johnson memes and think you know how to save black people. Your coddling of black people is actually hurting them more than it’s helping.

What work am I doing? Good question. I’m showing black people that they aren’t victims and aren’t oppressed like you and other libs want them to believe.
You’re just saying I’m doing what I’ve already said I’m not doing. Get a new line.

No. Work. What do you do other than type on the Internet?
 
Not sure why you would cite a study whose results suggest that "(1) people of color believe that in group members can perpetuate racism and act in a discriminatory fashion towards other people of color, (2) racial discrimination through overt and subtle behaviors leads to more dispositional attributions of behavior for White perpetrators compared to more situational attributions of behavior for in group perpetrators, and (3) in group racial discrimination can lead to more feelings of hurt and betrayal due to its shocking nature compared to the expected nature of White perpetrated racism. The implications of this study suggest that white supremacy is insidious and affects people of color in ways (e.g., internalization of racism) that can lead to the perpetration of racism in their own communities." (from Abstract on page 3 of the PDF)
The bold is mine, the first getting more at the "skin folk" line's meaning, the second being a point I make here all the time.

Why would you cite this? How does it support what you're saying? It seems to support what I believe, not you. And if you're posting it to mock it in some way, it seems rather odd because it's academically sound and reasoned. It's like you challenge someone to prove something, then mock them for their intelligence when they do so. 🤷‍♂️

As for the "skin folk" line, in the place you highlighted it, do note that Zora Neale Hurston is best known as a novelist -- ie, a writer of fiction. Realistic fiction, based-on-reality fiction, but fiction. So if either of us, or any academic, is claiming an exact, limited definition of what it means, it's cause for skepticism, and anyone claiming there is more to it than someone else's limited understanding probably has a case to be made for it.

Don't know about how your algorithms sequence hits on your searches, but based on mine, you skipped this one before choosing the one you did. I'm guessing I've already read more of Ms Mujica's thesis than you spent time searching, selecting, and posting her thesis.
 
Not sure why you would cite a study whose results suggest that "(1) people of color believe that in group members can perpetuate racism and act in a discriminatory fashion towards other people of color, (2) racial discrimination through overt and subtle behaviors leads to more dispositional attributions of behavior for White perpetrators compared to more situational attributions of behavior for in group perpetrators, and (3) in group racial discrimination can lead to more feelings of hurt and betrayal due to its shocking nature compared to the expected nature of White perpetrated racism. The implications of this study suggest that white supremacy is insidious and affects people of color in ways (e.g., internalization of racism) that can lead to the perpetration of racism in their own communities." (from Abstract on page 3 of the PDF)
The bold is mine, the first getting more at the "skin folk" line's meaning, the second being a point I make here all the time.

Why would you cite this? How does it support what you're saying? It seems to support what I believe, not you. And if you're posting it to mock it in some way, it seems rather odd because it's academically sound and reasoned. It's like you challenge someone to prove something, then mock them for their intelligence when they do so. 🤷‍♂️

As for the "skin folk" line, in the place you highlighted it, do note that Zora Neale Hurston is best known as a novelist -- ie, a writer of fiction. Realistic fiction, based-on-reality fiction, but fiction. So if either of us, or any academic, is claiming an exact, limited definition of what it means, it's cause for skepticism, and anyone claiming there is more to it than someone else's limited understanding probably has a case to be made for it.

Don't know about how your algorithms sequence hits on your searches, but based on mine, you skipped this one before choosing the one you did. I'm guessing I've already read more of Ms Mujica's thesis than you spent time searching, selecting, and posting her thesis.
”Why would you cite this”?
I asked you and Boogie several times to explain why I wasn’t grasping the complexity and profundity of the expression.
I was met with snark ( you) and evasion ( both of you)
While I wasn’t asking for a dissertation level explanation ( I actually thought you might enjoy it), I posted this as an example of how someone interested in a good faith dialogue rather than exchanging snarky one liners MIGHT have responded
This is a study, yes, but one that sought out to prove what the authors already believed.
They always find what they’re looking for. It would never have been published if her findings were the opposite of her actual conclusions.
The study doesn’t refute anything I’ve posted
I thought the original expression in question was more about trust than in group racism so I’ll give you that point. That’s why I looked it up to find out more about it.
Isn’t that what you’re always imploring us to do? Open up our tiny little minds?
 

”Why would you cite this”?
I asked you and Boogie several times to explain why I wasn’t grasping the complexity and profundity of the expression.
I was met with snark ( you) and evasion ( both of you)
While I wasn’t asking for a dissertation level explanation ( I actually thought you might enjoy it), I posted this as an example of how someone interested in a good faith dialogue rather than exchanging snarky one liners MIGHT have responded
This is a study, yes, but one that sought out to prove what the authors already believed.
They always find what they’re looking for. It would never have been published if her findings were the opposite of her actual conclusions.
The study doesn’t refute anything I’ve posted
I thought the original expression in question was more about trust than in group racism so I’ll give you that point. That’s why I looked it up to find out more about it.
Isn’t that what you’re always imploring us to do? Open up our tiny little minds?
You claim this is an example of good faith dialogue… right before claiming it supports what the author already believed and wouldn’t have been published otherwise.
THAT is why I didn’t waste my time getting into this with you.
 
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You claim this is an example of good faith dialogue… right before claiming it supports what the author already believed and wouldn’t have been published otherwise.
THAT is why I didn’t waste my time getting into this with

So now you claim you didn’t want to waste your time explaining it, when you just wrote 4 paragraphs discussing it.
Let’s move on.
How about the Left burning down the GOP hq in New Mexico?
How bad is this violence gonna get this go round?
 
I have a solid alibi. “The Left” 🙄
The FBI will decide how solid it is.
I hope this isn’t going to be a four year temper tantrum until Trump leaves office. Dems seem to be having meltdown when Crockett and AOC and Wolz seem to be the faces of the Dem party. They must have told Tlaib and Omar to sit down and stfu for a while.
 
Based on pictures in the article you linked, the Left is pretty incompetent with explosives and you have cornered the market on drama.
 
Based on pictures in the article you linked, the Left is pretty incompetent with explosives and you have cornered the market on drama.
Drama? You think this is overblown? The same guy who doesn’t know the difference between a riot and an insurrection?
The fact that they’re not good at bombing buildings doesn’t diminish the depths of their depravity. They’re not CIA operatives. They’re likely skateboarding antifa types
 
Drama? You think this is overblown? The same guy who doesn’t know the difference between a riot and an insurrection?
The fact that they’re not good at bombing buildings doesn’t diminish the depths of their depravity. They’re not CIA operatives. They’re likely skateboarding antifa types
You said burnt down. They’re not even going to have to rebuild.
You also said “The Left.” You realize we’re not all skateboarding Antifa types, right?
 
Huh. That’s convenient. Silence apparently lets you make up your own reason. Or rather, repeat the headline someone else made up.
 
Huh. That’s convenient. Silence apparently lets you make up your own reason. Or rather, repeat the headline someone else made up.
Plenty of silence.
Silence re: the estimated 1 million Uighurs in concentration camps. Forced sterilization.
Silence about thousands of Christians killed in Nigeria.
Silence about the atrocities on Oct 7.
Silence about Hamas funding of college protests.
Plenty of noise about Israel re: a war they didn’t start. They left Gaza in 2005. 0 Jews in Gaza. They were rewarded with rockets, terrorist attacks, and finally Oct 7.
You just refuse to acknowledge the reality behind the movement you’ve chosen to support.
What is it that you want to happen exactly?
 
Huh. That’s convenient. Silence apparently lets you make up your own reason. Or rather, repeat the headline someone else made up.
Surrender and release the hostages. War over. Why aren’t the protesters demanding that? When you start a war, you don’t get to demand peace when its convenient.
 
Huh. That’s convenient. Silence apparently lets you make up your own reason. Or rather, repeat the headline someone else made up.
You don’t have to make anything up. They’re telling us who they are when they show up dressed in Hamas garb and chant for intifada.
 
Plenty of silence.
Silence re: the estimated 1 million Uighurs in concentration camps. Forced sterilization.
Silence about thousands of Christians killed in Nigeria.
Silence about the atrocities on Oct 7.
Silence about Hamas funding of college protests.
Plenty of noise about Israel re: a war they didn’t start. They left Gaza in 2005. 0 Jews in Gaza. They were rewarded with rockets, terrorist attacks, and finally Oct 7.
You just refuse to acknowledge the reality behind the movement you’ve chosen to support.
What is it that you want to happen exactly?
Don't forget zucchini slingshots! We've really dropped the ball on the food waste caused by zucchini slingshots tourists use to overfeed sheep at farms during visits.

Surrender and release the hostages. War over. Why aren’t the protesters demanding that? When you start a war, you don’t get to demand peace when its convenient.
Life and death is not a matter of convenience. As usual, you're oversimplifying a centuries-old conflict.

You don’t have to make anything up. They’re telling us who they are when they show up dressed in Hamas garb and chant for intifada.
Official Hamas (TM) garb, or some generic Walmart version? Is it their home or away garb?
 
Plenty of silence.
Silence re: the estimated 1 million Uighurs in concentration camps. Forced sterilization.
Silence about thousands of Christians killed in Nigeria.
Silence about the atrocities on Oct 7.
Silence about Hamas funding of college protests.
Plenty of noise about Israel re: a war they didn’t start. They left Gaza in 2005. 0 Jews in Gaza. They were rewarded with rockets, terrorist attacks, and finally Oct 7.
You just refuse to acknowledge the reality behind the movement you’ve chosen to support.
What is it that you want to happen exactly?
Which movement is that, exactly? You're all over the place. Could I get a comprehensive list of all the things you want The Left to address so I can put it out there via Soros Signal? Do we still owe Laken Riley's family an edible arrangement?

I really haven't ever taken a stance here on the Palestinian genocide at the hands of Israel. I've just asked questions about your stance, and that's been enough for you to label me an enemy. That's what The Right has become: questions = threats. Nothing but 100% compliance will do.
 
Which movement is that, exactly? You're all over the place. Could I get a comprehensive list of all the things you want The Left to address so I can put it out there via Soros Signal? Do we still owe Laken Riley's family an edible arrangement?

I really haven't ever taken a stance here on the Palestinian genocide at the hands of Israel. I've just asked questions about your stance, and that's been enough for you to label me an enemy. That's what The Right has become: questions = threats. Nothing but 100% compliance will do.
By calling it a genocide, you just took a stance. This war’s civilian to combatant ratio is one of the lowest in recorded history, roughly 2:1.
Did you label the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan “genocidal” because far more civilians were killed in those conflicts?
I’ve never labeled you an enemy, just severely misinformed.
The “Palestinians” are nothing more than a hodgepodge of various Arab groups that were never considered to have had a unique ethnic identity until the 1960s. plo and KGB’s love child.
Say it with me now: Jews are from Judea. Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula. Not complicated.
Research the Plo and KGB. See what you might learn.
 
Which movement is that, exactly? You're all over the place. Could I get a comprehensive list of all the things you want The Left to address so I can put it out there via Soros Signal? Do we still owe Laken Riley's family an edible arrangement?

I really haven't ever taken a stance here on the Palestinian genocide at the hands of Israel. I've just asked questions about your stance, and that's been enough for you to label me an enemy. That's what The Right has become: questions = threats. Nothing but 100% compliance will do.
My point is they ignore every other conflict in the world and are obsessed with Israel. The Muslims in China are being erased and crickets. Forced to denounce Islam or die. Sterilization.
So it doesn’t appear to be a movement that is pro Muslim as much as it is anti Israel.
The jig is up. No one’s falling for the nonsense anymore.
 
Which movement is that, exactly? You're all over the place. Could I get a comprehensive list of all the things you want The Left to address so I can put it out there via Soros Signal? Do we still owe Laken Riley's family an edible arrangement?

I really haven't ever taken a stance here on the Palestinian genocide at the hands of Israel. I've just asked questions about your stance, and that's been enough for you to label me an enemy. That's what The Right has become: questions = threats. Nothing but 100% compliance will do.
Your “joke” about Laken Riley. Despicable.
Using murder victims as punchlines. Could be a new low.
 
Say something about mental illness and he tries to shame you by throwing Kyle Singler in there. Datt is something else.
True. By the Left’s ever expanding definition of genocide, I guess our grandfathers in WW2 were guilty of that in Dresden and Japan among other places. When Israel is the topic, these f- completely lose all logic and reason. I’ve never seen anything like it. What’s really sad is the Left uses Hamas casualty figures as the basis of these accusations. Mind blowing
 
Progressives care more about their reputation of standing up for the supposed oppressed than they do the lives of ordinary people. If you call someone a POS because they shot and killed a clerk at a convince store during a robbery, they accuse you of not having empathy and implore you to think about what hardships the POS was going through to make them so desperate that they were left with no other alternative than to resort to stealing and robbing. The clerk was just an unfortunate casualty of capitalism.
 
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Progressives care more about their reputation of standing up for the supposed oppressed than they do the lives of ordinary people. If you call someone a POS because they shot and killed a clerk at a convince store during a robbery, they accuse you of not having empathy and implore you to think about what hardships the POS was going through to make them so desperate that they were left with no other alternative than to resort to stealing and robbing. The clerk was just an unfortunate casualty of capitalism.
In their rigid oppressed/ oppressor world view, the illegal who killed Laken Riley is oppressed, and Riley herself is white so she’s the oppressor.
Even though she’s dead.
Doesn’t fit their narrative so they ignore the Laken Rileys of the world.
Some even tell jokes about it.
 
In their rigid oppressed/ oppressor world view, the illegal who killed Laken Riley is oppressed, and Riley herself is white so she’s the oppressor.
Even though she’s dead.
Doesn’t fit their narrative so they ignore the Laken Rileys of the world.
Some even tell jokes about it.
Well, in the case of Israel and Palestine. They view Israel as the colonizing oppressors and the Palestinians as the oppressed indigenous group who are only fighting over land that they falsely claim to be theirs. They're almost always choosing the wrong side to deem to be oppressed and are wrong even more about which side they deem to the oppressors. If you see two guys in the street dragging another guy and a progressive yells at the two guys, you can just about say with certainty that the one guy deserves what's happening to him.
 
Well, in the case of Israel and Palestine. They view Israel as the colonizing oppressors and the Palestinians as the oppressed indigenous group who are only fighting over land that they falsely claim to be theirs. They're almost always choosing the wrong side to deem to be oppressed and are wrong even more about which side they deem to the oppressors. If you see two guys in the street dragging another guy and a progressive yells at the two guys, you can just about say with certainty that the one guy deserves what's happening to him.
Yup. The stolen land myth has been debunked time and time again, most notably by Alan Dershowitz in the Case For Israel.
Datt for whatever reason hasn’t mentioned that, perhaps he knows that it’s propaganda one would hope. Most of the land that became Israel was sold by absentee landlords prior to the 48 war. A lot of Arabs left during the war that Egypt Syria and Iraq started. They thought they’d return once the Arab countries won. Oops.
They should have accepted the two state solution offered in 48: one for Israel and one for the majority Arab areas in Gaza and the West Bank. The Arabs would have gotten the prime real estate. This would make Israel extremely difficult to defend, but they agreed to it anyway. Jordan makes up most of the land in historical Palestine. Funny how no one accuses them of being land thieves.

The Arabs have colonized the entire Middle East and much of North Africa yet the Israelis are the colonizers in the Left’s world view.
If there’s a way to get an issue ass backwards the Left will find it.
The Left’s anti American at its core. Due to Islam’s hatred of the West and the PLO’s close ties to the Soviet Union.
They’d rather root for the terrorists than the lone democracy in the region. Even if Hamas were replaced, it would be another regime that treats women like chattel and who think the only good queer is a dead queer so it’s still weird how the Left romanticizes the struggle of the “Palestinians”
 
Yup. The stolen land myth has been debunked time and time again, most notably by Alan Dershowitz in the Case For Israel.
Datt for whatever reason hasn’t mentioned that, perhaps he knows that it’s propaganda one would hope. Most of the land that became Israel was sold by absentee landlords prior to the 48 war. A lot of Arabs left during the war that Egypt Syria and Iraq started. They thought they’d return once the Arab countries won. Oops.
They should have accepted the two state solution offered in 48: one for Israel and one for the majority Arab areas in Gaza and the West Bank. The Arabs would have gotten the prime real estate. This would make Israel extremely difficult to defend, but they agreed to it anyway. Jordan makes up most of the land in historical Palestine. Funny how no one accuses them of being land thieves.

The Arabs have colonized the entire Middle East and much of North Africa yet the Israelis are the colonizers in the Left’s world view.
If there’s a way to get an issue ass backwards the Left will find it.
The Left’s anti American at its core. Due to Islam’s hatred of the West and the PLO’s close ties to the Soviet Union.
They’d rather root for the terrorists than the lone democracy in the region. Even if Hamas were replaced, it would be another regime that treats women like chattel and who think the only good queer is a dead queer so it’s still weird how the Left romanticizes the struggle of the “Palestinians”
I get the frustration—narratives around Israel and Palestine tend to get flattened into oversimplified slogans, and it’s easy to feel like the loudest voices are also the most misinformed. But boiling it all down to “myths” or blaming one side entirely doesn’t do justice to the actual history—or the human cost.

The truth is, the roots of the conflict are tangled. There were land sales, yes. There were also expulsions. There were opportunities for peace that were rejected, and there were peace deals that came with strings attached. You can point to bad decisions, broken promises, and missed chances on both sides. It’s not propaganda to acknowledge that real people lost homes, communities, and a sense of identity in the process—even if the legalities are more complicated than they’re often portrayed.

It’s also worth stepping back from the binary. You don’t have to be “pro-Israel” or “pro-Palestinian” to want something better than what we’re seeing now. You can support Israel’s right to exist and defend itself while still believing that military occupation and open-air blockades aren’t sustainable—or just. You can acknowledge Hamas is a brutal, theocratic regime without writing off the entire Palestinian population as complicit. These things aren’t contradictions—they’re the complexity of reality.

As for the political angle, I agree there’s a strain of Western discourse—especially on the far-left—that seems more interested in outrage than in solutions. But reducing it all to anti-Americanism or blind allegiance to the “other side” feels just as knee-jerk. Some people are simply responding to suffering they see and trying to make sense of it, even if their framing is flawed.

The tragedy here isn’t just that people can’t agree on the past—it’s that, after all this time, we still haven’t found a way to move forward. And until the conversation makes room for nuance, empathy, and a little intellectual humility, we probably won’t.
 
Yup. The stolen land myth has been debunked time and time again, most notably by Alan Dershowitz in the Case For Israel.
Datt for whatever reason hasn’t mentioned that, perhaps he knows that it’s propaganda one would hope. Most of the land that became Israel was sold by absentee landlords prior to the 48 war. A lot of Arabs left during the war that Egypt Syria and Iraq started. They thought they’d return once the Arab countries won. Oops.
They should have accepted the two state solution offered in 48: one for Israel and one for the majority Arab areas in Gaza and the West Bank. The Arabs would have gotten the prime real estate. This would make Israel extremely difficult to defend, but they agreed to it anyway. Jordan makes up most of the land in historical Palestine. Funny how no one accuses them of being land thieves.

The Arabs have colonized the entire Middle East and much of North Africa yet the Israelis are the colonizers in the Left’s world view.
If there’s a way to get an issue ass backwards the Left will find it.
The Left’s anti American at its core. Due to Islam’s hatred of the West and the PLO’s close ties to the Soviet Union.
They’d rather root for the terrorists than the lone democracy in the region. Even if Hamas were replaced, it would be another regime that treats women like chattel and who think the only good queer is a dead queer so it’s still weird how the Left romanticizes the struggle of the “Palestinians”
It is totally bizarre how Muslims, who celebrate a religion that didn't exist until centuries after Christ, can completely take over land and send hundreds of thousands of Jews and Christians into exile and forbid them from visiting their holy lands, and be seen as indigenous while the Jews are seen as the colonizers. But, not surprising.
 
By calling it a genocide, you just took a stance.
My stance is that you’re easy to troll.

Your “joke” about Laken Riley. Despicable.
Using murder victims as punchlines. Could be a new low.
My joke was about you. She’s the only murdered woman conservatives have cared about since Eve Carson.

Not even close to how low I’ve gone before.
 
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