I’ll go with your first 3 words. You can’t justify it, because you know it was wrong. I try to watch some of both sides of news sources, but when I hear the left say “Elon keep your musky hands off our money” that tells you all you need to know. I know there’s crooks on both sides, but damn they just come right out and say it and don’t give a sh!t.
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That’s 3 questions and I don’t know why you’re asking me any of them.
Just one question for you, same as before: Is there any legit criticism of Israel?
He already gave you legit criticism of Israel. Not that he should have. It was a dumb request.
That wouldn’t even be a good sentence. You’re only going with my first 3 words because that totally changes the meaning of what I said into something you can handle. Classic straw man.
Obviously Israel has its own problems, because everyone does. But what's the relevance here? You have the only free and democratic state/country in the ME in Israel constantly being accused of the very things they are victims of. They are surrounded by people who don't only despise them, but want them dead. They are fighting against proxies who are actively trying to kill them and force them to live in fear and anxiety while using their own population as sacrificial dogs. And you have more people in the UN that will sympathize with the Palestinian's plight than will call out hamas for their atrocities.
As Ghost responded, I’ve answered that question before. As with any democracy, there is internal debate in Israel about most every decision. Many Israelis feel that Israel’s response to 10/ 7 has been disproportionate. Given that Gaza is no longer habitable.
However, this is the response Hamas wants in order to render Israel unable to defend itself against an enemy who uses tunnels, hospitals, schools,etc as military bases in order to maximize human loss. Israel is in a no win situation against an enemy who wants to maximize its own casualties so it can accuse Israel of genocide
Re: the casualty figures put out by Hamas’ Health Ministry and taken as gospel by most Western media, these numbers include the normal non war related deaths for a population of 2 m people:
4k yearly natural deaths
10k Hamas terrorist ( they don’t distinguish combatants and civilians)
thousands of radicalized teenage boys
unknown hundreds/ thousands of those who harbor Hamas.
One of the lowest civilian/ combatant death ratios in modern urban warfare. Far lower than the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Even the UN has reported that Hamas’ death numbers have been greatly exaggerated
I mentioned the settlements in the “WestBank” in a post last week along with two other points you’d likely disagree with but were made nonetheless
Of course you don’t see the relevance. You won’t accept my explanation, either. Try: it is relevant TO ME because I refuse to engage on his terms, your terms, anyone else’s terms here without relative confidence that it’s a conversation rooted in good faith and reasonable understanding of the complexities of the situation. I think y’all tend toward oversimplification on just about everything, leading to completely one-sided, rigid stances. It’s not worth my time arguing with people where I’m constantly expected to be the only one to make concessions.
You inquired about what criticism there is of Israel. Then whine about it not being worth your time to discuss it. That's pretty strange.
When you discover via audit that people are stealing money from you, would you be mad at the auditor or the thieves? When people are telling you who they are, believe them. I hope these sticky fingered clowns are all voted out of office.
That Datt thinks he’s a slick one doesn’t he. I asked him if he could justify how the Dems spent millions on illegals and not our citizens, and of course he says he can’t justify it, but he has to add that he can’t verify it either. He always buries his head in the sand and then says we only get our information from one source, thus it can’t be verified. Talk about being in a cult, vote blue no matter who. Some of these liberals are so smart, but yet so stupid. I voted Democratic years ago, but they have changed dramatically since the Obama administration.
You questioned the relevance of why I wanted to know. I explained, then said that otherwise it was a fool's errand.
Your version is unverifiable because it is a distortion. The money you refer to was paid to cities as reimbursement for housing migrants seeking asylum. The Roosevelt Hotel, which opened in 1924, is historic, for sure, but not luxurious unless you're applying WNC standards. It's typical of where asylum-seeking migrants are housed (a requirement under city law). The source of these funds is completely separate and unrelated to disaster relief funding. It's like complaining that there's something in the left pocket when what you need is in the right pocket.
So "illegal immigrants"? Distortion.
"Luxury hotels"? Distortion.
"Taking money from WNC"? Completely false.
I'm not going to justify your version because your version is deliberately constructed to be unjustifiable. I can't verify your version as true because it's not.
Presenting something so twisted and inaccurate as if it is the truth is no invitation to debate. It's intended to shutdown debate because who could debate that if it was actually true? It's therefore intellectually dishonest and cowardly. (This is not name-calling. It is a conclusion and judgment of the tactic based on logic. I have to include this parenthetical disclaimer because y'all are a bunch of crybaby snowflakes. THAT is name-calling.)
Now... you and others are going to pushback on what I've explained here because you worship an unelected billionaire who has bought influence in this administration and you take his word as Gospel. So it was a waste of my time to explain. This is why I remain reluctant to get into things with y'all. There's no point. Beyond winning an election, y'all think that means you get to define the truth as whatever you say it is. I'm not going to play your game on your terms.
I see it more like the auditor is criticizing how money was spent, then taking the rest of the money away based on his judgment. Like he didn't like what I ordered for dinner so he stole my wallet.
The bold? It's an acknowledgement that both of our analogies are opinions. Let's see if you can handle their coexistence.
Have y'all seen the Venn Diagram of departments Musk is harassing and which departments are investigating his business interests? It's a single circle.
'Murica's McPaper says...
Source I won't vet as a mockery of y'all but which you'll think is hypocrisy because you have no self-awareness says...
Deliberately triggering source says...
Why wasn't the Pentagon the first place he looked into? When is that going to happen at all? That would have tremendous bipartisan support. The military is by far our biggest federal expense (appropriately) and by far the greatest source of waste and graft. Yet he's wagging his jowls over a relative pittance he can attach the word "trans" to and y'all chomp down on the hook as hard as you can.
'Murica's McPaper says...
Source I won't vet as a mockery of y'all but which you'll think is hypocrisy because you have no self-awareness says...
Deliberately triggering source says...
Why wasn't the Pentagon the first place he looked into? When is that going to happen at all? That would have tremendous bipartisan support. The military is by far our biggest federal expense (appropriately) and by far the greatest source of waste and graft. Yet he's wagging his jowls over a relative pittance he can attach the word "trans" to and y'all chomp down on the hook as hard as you can.
