Well, speak of the devil! A tweet from a a Breitbart employee!
The implications of this are too big to cover up. If it's forgotten in a week, it will be b/c this is sensationalized crap. If it has legs, congrats on getting in on the ground floor.
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The implications of this are too big to cover up. If it's forgotten in a week, it will be b/c this is sensationalized crap. If it has legs, congrats on getting in on the ground floor.
Are you trolling me? I mean, I've known he technically didn't produce it but was going to implement it, so there's no surprise. If you can't be bothered to educate yourself on every race, I have a feeling you haven't looked into Project2025 much.
When do we round up the undesirables? When do we start jailing the journalists?
starting on page 318 of the PDF or page 285 of the Project 2025 document, regarding the Dept of Education:
"[T]he Department of Education (the department, or ED), discussed by Lindsey Burke in Chapter 11, is a creation of the Jimmy Carter Administration. The department is a convenient one-stop shop for the woke education cartel, which—as the COVID era showed—is not particularly concerned with children’s education. Schools should be responsive to parents, rather than to leftist advocates intent on indoctrination—and the more the federal government is involved in education, the less responsive to parents the public schools will be. This department is an example of federal intrusion into a traditionally state and local realm. For the sake of American children, Congress should shutter it and return control of education to the states.
Short of this, the Secretary of Education should insist that the department serve parents and American ideals, not advocates whose message is that children can choose their own sex, that America is “systemically racist,” that math itself is racist, and that Martin Luther King, Jr.’s ideal of a colorblind society should be rejected in favor of reinstating a color-conscious society. The next head of this department will have a lot to do—hopefully culminating in the department’s closure and the salutary restoration of educational control to states, localities, and parents."
This is ridiculously biased, inaccurate, hotheaded, and unscientific. It reads like campaign propaganda, which is a terrible place to start actual policy.
There is no clear definition of what "woke education cartel," "indoctrination," "American ideals," and "systemically racist" mean in this context. And that's just isolated terms, not further troubling ideas like not being concerned with kids' education.
I would like to see less federal control (it's not "intrusion" ), but we need federal dollars badly. It's the only way to level the playing field among states. Louisiana, Oklahoma, and New Mexico will never be able to compete with Wyoming, Connecticut, and Wisconsin without federal assistance. In NC, we will struggle to feed kids without federal money. And then there's curriculum. Shouldn't there be a sound, basic, common education across all states? In the most religiously conservative states, imagine how much science might be left out of the state curriculum. Imagine how unwanted teen pregnancies will soar in those states due to subjective, morality-based, abstinence-only sex ed, as opposed to scientifically-based, comprehensive sex ed including disease and pregnancy prevention. Imagine how skewed history education could get in states at both extremes of the political spectrum without federal oversight.
Without the federal govt, public education is abandoned to private financiers. When public education is beholden to for-profit entities, profits are prioritized over kids, and kids suffer. Look at how the existence of privatized prisons has led to exponential growth in the prison population since the '80s. You think there's a school-to-prison pipeline now?
Without the fed govt's oversight, students with disabilities are no longer guaranteed equal access to education. If it's not profitable, schools will alienate them through under-serving them. Not because of the scapegoated teachers in the classroom, but because they're not a good investment for private financers.
Your daughter is set to enter school in the next 4 years, ghost. Whatever choice y'all make about that, I would think you'd prefer public school be a viable option. NC now has a Democratic governor, Democratic Lt gov, Democratic Sec of State, Democratic AG, and Democratic Superintendent of Public Instruction. Many of them are beholden to the teachers' union I'm a part of, and I sometimes find myself saying we're too liberal. Now, I'll be retired by then, so having a more agreeable state govt at a time when President Trump may be reducing the fed govt works out great for me personally if I were selfish, but I doubt that would be as appealing to you. And because I'm not selfish and I serve kids and families across the political spectrum, I want it to be a state system that works for you, too.
"[T]he Department of Education (the department, or ED), discussed by Lindsey Burke in Chapter 11, is a creation of the Jimmy Carter Administration. The department is a convenient one-stop shop for the woke education cartel, which—as the COVID era showed—is not particularly concerned with children’s education. Schools should be responsive to parents, rather than to leftist advocates intent on indoctrination—and the more the federal government is involved in education, the less responsive to parents the public schools will be. This department is an example of federal intrusion into a traditionally state and local realm. For the sake of American children, Congress should shutter it and return control of education to the states.
Short of this, the Secretary of Education should insist that the department serve parents and American ideals, not advocates whose message is that children can choose their own sex, that America is “systemically racist,” that math itself is racist, and that Martin Luther King, Jr.’s ideal of a colorblind society should be rejected in favor of reinstating a color-conscious society. The next head of this department will have a lot to do—hopefully culminating in the department’s closure and the salutary restoration of educational control to states, localities, and parents."
This is ridiculously biased, inaccurate, hotheaded, and unscientific. It reads like campaign propaganda, which is a terrible place to start actual policy.
There is no clear definition of what "woke education cartel," "indoctrination," "American ideals," and "systemically racist" mean in this context. And that's just isolated terms, not further troubling ideas like not being concerned with kids' education.
I would like to see less federal control (it's not "intrusion"
), but we need federal dollars badly. It's the only way to level the playing field among states. Louisiana, Oklahoma, and New Mexico will never be able to compete with Wyoming, Connecticut, and Wisconsin without federal assistance. In NC, we will struggle to feed kids without federal money. And then there's curriculum. Shouldn't there be a sound, basic, common education across all states? In the most religiously conservative states, imagine how much science might be left out of the state curriculum. Imagine how unwanted teen pregnancies will soar in those states due to subjective, morality-based, abstinence-only sex ed, as opposed to scientifically-based, comprehensive sex ed including disease and pregnancy prevention. Imagine how skewed history education could get in states at both extremes of the political spectrum without federal oversight.Without the federal govt, public education is abandoned to private financiers. When public education is beholden to for-profit entities, profits are prioritized over kids, and kids suffer. Look at how the existence of privatized prisons has led to exponential growth in the prison population since the '80s. You think there's a school-to-prison pipeline now?
Without the fed govt's oversight, students with disabilities are no longer guaranteed equal access to education. If it's not profitable, schools will alienate them through under-serving them. Not because of the scapegoated teachers in the classroom, but because they're not a good investment for private financers.
Your daughter is set to enter school in the next 4 years, ghost. Whatever choice y'all make about that, I would think you'd prefer public school be a viable option. NC now has a Democratic governor, Democratic Lt gov, Democratic Sec of State, Democratic AG, and Democratic Superintendent of Public Instruction. Many of them are beholden to the teachers' union I'm a part of, and I sometimes find myself saying we're too liberal. Now, I'll be retired by then, so having a more agreeable state govt at a time when President Trump may be reducing the fed govt works out great for me personally if I were selfish, but I doubt that would be as appealing to you. And because I'm not selfish and I serve kids and families across the political spectrum, I want it to be a state system that works for you, too.
Forgive me, I didn't read the second half of your response to the proposition. But are you trying to promote project 2025? Because that's a good start.starting on page 318 of the PDF or page 285 of the Project 2025 document, regarding the Dept of Education:
"[T]he Department of Education (the department, or ED), discussed by Lindsey Burke in Chapter 11, is a creation of the Jimmy Carter Administration. The department is a convenient one-stop shop for the woke education cartel, which—as the COVID era showed—is not particularly concerned with children’s education. Schools should be responsive to parents, rather than to leftist advocates intent on indoctrination—and the more the federal government is involved in education, the less responsive to parents the public schools will be. This department is an example of federal intrusion into a traditionally state and local realm. For the sake of American children, Congress should shutter it and return control of education to the states.
Short of this, the Secretary of Education should insist that the department serve parents and American ideals, not advocates whose message is that children can choose their own sex, that America is “systemically racist,” that math itself is racist, and that Martin Luther King, Jr.’s ideal of a colorblind society should be rejected in favor of reinstating a color-conscious society. The next head of this department will have a lot to do—hopefully culminating in the department’s closure and the salutary restoration of educational control to states, localities, and parents."
This is ridiculously biased, inaccurate, hotheaded, and unscientific. It reads like campaign propaganda, which is a terrible place to start actual policy.
There is no clear definition of what "woke education cartel," "indoctrination," "American ideals," and "systemically racist" mean in this context. And that's just isolated terms, not further troubling ideas like not being concerned with kids' education.
I would like to see less federal control (it's not "intrusion"
Without the federal govt, public education is abandoned to private financiers. When public education is beholden to for-profit entities, profits are prioritized over kids, and kids suffer. Look at how the existence of privatized prisons has led to exponential growth in the prison population since the '80s. You think there's a school-to-prison pipeline now?
Without the fed govt's oversight, students with disabilities are no longer guaranteed equal access to education. If it's not profitable, schools will alienate them through under-serving them. Not because of the scapegoated teachers in the classroom, but because they're not a good investment for private financers.
Your daughter is set to enter school in the next 4 years, ghost. Whatever choice y'all make about that, I would think you'd prefer public school be a viable option. NC now has a Democratic governor, Democratic Lt gov, Democratic Sec of State, Democratic AG, and Democratic Superintendent of Public Instruction. Many of them are beholden to the teachers' union I'm a part of, and I sometimes find myself saying we're too liberal. Now, I'll be retired by then, so having a more agreeable state govt at a time when President Trump may be reducing the fed govt works out great for me personally if I were selfish, but I doubt that would be as appealing to you. And because I'm not selfish and I serve kids and families across the political spectrum, I want it to be a state system that works for you, too.
Nothing (or very little) about the system has worked. Politicians lives are getting better, not the citizens. You can say that's a tired line, but it's true, and a big problem. More Americans have opened their eyes, said enough is enough, and gave the Machine the middle finger.
I mean you can't defend what we've been witnessing since 2020. But what caught up with the Establishment was their own arrogance. These elitists pricks are so brazen that they believed they could peddle out an old man with memory issues, along with a cackling empty vessel, and expect America to buy it. They almost got away with it. Almost. Thank God more people realized what we were being told just didn't line up with what we were seeing. Roughly 45% of hispanics voted for Trump, and he got 20% of the black vote, up from about 13 in 2020, and he had a gain in the under 30 year old voter too. They are finding out how hard it is to buy a home in the last four years. Charlie Kirk deserves a big shout out.
President Obama deserves a big shout out too. Black men weren't happy at all when you come down from your mansion to tell them who they should vote for.
Now I hope Trump comes in and blows the current system to hell. It's long overdue.
I mean you can't defend what we've been witnessing since 2020. But what caught up with the Establishment was their own arrogance. These elitists pricks are so brazen that they believed they could peddle out an old man with memory issues, along with a cackling empty vessel, and expect America to buy it. They almost got away with it. Almost. Thank God more people realized what we were being told just didn't line up with what we were seeing. Roughly 45% of hispanics voted for Trump, and he got 20% of the black vote, up from about 13 in 2020, and he had a gain in the under 30 year old voter too. They are finding out how hard it is to buy a home in the last four years. Charlie Kirk deserves a big shout out.
President Obama deserves a big shout out too. Black men weren't happy at all when you come down from your mansion to tell them who they should vote for.
Now I hope Trump comes in and blows the current system to hell. It's long overdue.
Then you missed the last paragraph, where I mentioned its relevance to your daughter.
The idea that President Trump isn't part of that same machine is ridiculous. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer under him as much as under Biden, Obama, GW Bush, and Clinton.
Simply not true. Every working class American saw their wealth increase during Trump’s first 3 years. And things were more affordable. If you want to play the game of why that was, whatever. But to say that the rich got richer and the poor got poorer, is false. There has been an 88% increase in U.S. billionaires since Biden has been in office. Largely in part to mostly democrat endorsed covid policies. But I am sure Trump is to blame.
Now right here is where there is this great big divide. Not sure about you but I'd rather a corporation pay low taxes (20%?) and have 300 employees vs much higher taxes (35-40%) but only able to have 160 employees.
I feel for the poor. As a general rule, the poor will most likely always be poor. Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they are the bad guys. You can argue this, and make ok points, but the fact remains No one ever gets a job from a Poor Man.
The middle class is the one that catches the brunt, in terms of taxes.
Trump wants all Americans to have a chance to do better.
The gap between them grew. In many cases, yes, the President before helps create the circumstances the next President benefits from or is saddled with.
If those corporations are paying poor wages while removing their profits from those communities, it contributes to income inequality and does little to improve communities.
You and I are seeing the corporation through two different lenses. You see the poor being taken advantage of, and I see it that they're paid fair wages.
The gap slightly decreased under Trump. And again, at the same time, groceries, retail, gas, rent and pretty much everything else was more affordable. It takes $50,000/year more to be able to afford to buy a home today compared to 2019. The gap has increased under Biden and things are less affordable. So things were better for everyone who participated in the workforce under Trump.
So the guy that hates women has the first female chief of staff in US history.
That's probably the closest thing to peaceful disagreement we're gonna get. Thanks.
That doesn't look anything like the reality I experienced, nor does it take into consideration anything but how you claim the economy was doing.
What doesn’t look like the reality you’ve experienced? Where do you buy your groceries?
Oh, no, that part was the same. I blame it much more on Covid and worldwide supply chain issues than President Biden. I was thinking of most of President Trump's previous term in office.
Mortgages have gotten prohibitively expensive. Many twenty and thirty somethings despair that they will never be able to buy their own home.
Never fear though; Wapo got your back. Op eds saying that there’s nothing wrong with living in an apt. They use less energy anyway. Suck it up young people. Take one for the team.
Covid? Funny how when Covid hit full scale in March 2020 prices remained stable for almost an entire year and only skyrocketed after the Inflation Reduction Act. Supply chain issues did play a role but excessive spending led to too many $ chasing too few goods.
People just pretend that dumping millions of people into communities and spending billions of dollars doing it at the same time as having a stagnant economy with high inflation, somehow won't have a negative impact on the economy and housing costs. Or spending a trillion dollars on a phony inflation bill didn't add to the inflation. Yeah, it was covid.
One of the hallmarks of just about every Leftist. Refusal to learn from people who clearly know more about a topic than you. You were on the right track with this post until you had to get your usual dig in the last sentence. How quickly humility descends into snideness
Very poor grammar. I believe the word you’re looking for is economics, which actually fits the structure of that sentence.
I’m self aware enough to realize how obnoxious that just sounded. This is my version of a Dattier post.
Exactly! That's how little I know about it!
I'm not going to learn it from anyone here b/c I don't trust any of you to be objective and you're usually antagonistic.
Well. I thought we were here to just throw shade at each other. Didn't know we were trying to learn anything.
But seriously, we don't have to be experts on every topic to be able to acknowledge common sense items. The left likes to downplay the negative effects of illegal immigration or flat out deny that they have negative effects. I think, because they have painted conservatives as bigots and xenophobic for wanting immigrants to come in legally and be vetted properly. So if they acknowledge the negative effects of illegal immigration, they would be giving points to the evil nazis. Do you think that spending billions of dollars, straining resources and dropping tens of thousands of immigrants into small communities has minimal effects on the economy? No real effect? Earlier you showed concern with the poor getting poorer. Do you think this policy will help the poor get richer?
Rent and mortgage are astronomically high for most of Americans to be able to afford. When you add millions of people to compete over housing, do you think that has a positive impact on affordability? Then you consider that there are homes or apartments that aren't available for the public to compete for because landlords or property owners would rather take the guaranteed government money to house immigrants, that makes fewer places available and more expensive. That's not fair. And it's not empathy. It's allowing many citizens of our country to suffer so citizens of other countries can leave their poverty and come here without having to do it the right way. And getting tax payers funded housing, debit cards, cell phones and in many cases, jobs that were never made available to local citizens. I hope you don't just say that this isn't happening, because it is. But if you were to admit that it is happening, do you think this is fair?
The green new scam according to every expert and admitted by the current administration, cause more inflation and handicapped our recovery from the covid caused inflation. That had nothing to do with covid. Do you think that negatively affected the economy? We don't have to be economists to see these things.
The more money pumped into the economy, demand goes up. Prices go up.
The more money printed the value of the dollar goes down. Prices go up.
Supply down prices up.
I don’t know how objective you have to be to see this.
Although they can’t admit it publicly, most economically literate Dems ( all three of them) would acknowledge the above privately.
This is a pattern with Datt. It reared its ugly head in our discussion of the Israeli war the other day. He recognizes he’s in over his head. He’ll say some version of “ It’s complicated I’m not an expert but you’re not either” and hope the thread gets back on more comfortable terrain soon
Nope. Some of what y'all just said makes sense. I refuse to have the conversation about Israel & Gaza with extremists on both sides.
Yes, @GhostOf301 , the picture you paint of immigration overburdens local infrastructure, resources, and citizens heavily. I understand why that leads to resentment and hostility.
But you can't understand why it has a negative impact on the economy. What a ridiculous response.
What do you think the local infrastructure and resources imply? Do you need me to specifically say EcOnOmY? Okay, tHe PiCtUrE yOu PaInT oF iMmIgRaTiOn OvErBuRdEnS lOcAl InFrAsTrUcTuRe, ReSoUrCeS, TEH ECONOMAYUH, aNd CiTiZeNs. Happy?
