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When the moderators fact check only one of the candidates, you know the deck is stacked. Not their role to fact check. Hopefully, the Reps will be smart enough to never allow Abc anywhere near another Pres debate, but I doubt it.
She appears competent due to low expectations and the fact she memorized a bunch of platitudes, but the fact remains she has accomplished nothing in her political career and she will be a disaster for our country and our allies, esp. Israel
 
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When the moderators fact check only one of the candidates, you know the deck is stacked. Not their role to fact check. Hopefully, the Reps will be smart enough to never allow Abc anywhere near another Pres debate, but I doubt it.
She appears competent due to low expectations and the fact she memorized a bunch of platitudes, but the fact remains she has accomplished nothing in her political career and she will be a disaster for our country and our allies, esp. Israel
I don't think it's a bad thing to correct a candidate or provide context for what they say if it is a blatant misrepresentation of the truth. The problem is they only did it on one side. They also led Kamala's talking points multiple times. 3 on 1 and Trump only moderately made a fool out of himself. He's grown up so much.
 
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The debate last night was not good for Trump. First off, of course it was 3 on 1. But he got reeled in. Sounds easy to say from where I sit, but he should have ONLY pounded the issues of the last four years. He got led into talking way too long on abortion, and Jan 6th, and then looked awful about the immigrants/pet rumor from Ohio. We needed Trump, and very little Donald. We got more Donald. He had his moments, like when he said "you've been there for four years, why haven't you done anything yet?" I would have said that over and over.

She won, but it's not like she was good. Let's be real here, her bar is so low, basically all she has to do is sound enough like a politician, and not cackle. She accomplished that. Her team did a great job of prepping her.
 
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So stupid. You completely ignored how disgusting it is for a father of an 11 year old boy to say that he wished his son wad murdered by a 60 year old white man instead of an illegal immigrant. He used his son's death to take shots at a political party and their supporters. That's disgusting. And here you are trying to capitalize on school shootings to deflect away from this topic. There are sp many ways to point out obvious differences in the situations, but that would be playing into your hand.
No. He wants to grieve privately and he cannot do that now that his son’s death has been coopted by the Know-Nothing MAGAS. What is disgusting is the use Trump and his nimrods are making of it.
 
The debate last night was not good for Trump. First off, of course it was 3 on 1. But he got reeled in. Sounds easy to say from where I sit, but he should have ONLY pounded the issues of the last four years. He got led into talking way too long on abortion, and Jan 6th, and then lookedawful about the immigrants/pet rumor from Ohio. We needed Trump, and very little Donald. We got more Donald. He had his moments, like when he said "you've been there for four years, why haven't you done anything yet?" I would have said that over and over.

She won, but it's not like she was good. Let's be real here, her bar is so low, basically all she has to do is sound enough like a politician, and not cackle. She accomplished that. Her team did a great job of prepping her.
He took the bait she set too many times. It was a poor performance She had very little in the way of policy, no surprise there, but was more poised and confident than I’d have thought possible. Of course, when you know the mods will set the table to your liking, that’s bound to help you relax We joke about Springfield here. Maybe it happened maybe it didn’t with the pets thing. But it was cringy when Trump mentioned it last night Thought he was smarter than that
 
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No. He wants to grieve privately and he cannot do that now that his son’s death has been coopted by the Know-Nothing MAGAS. What is disgusting is the use Trump and his nimrods are making of it.
Nimrods. More name calling. Sounds like someone may be a wee bit hungover
 
No. He wants to grieve privately and he cannot do that now that his son’s death has been coopted by the Know-Nothing MAGAS. What is disgusting is the use Trump and his nimrods are making of it.
What better way to grieve privately than to post on social media?
 
So stupid. You completely ignored how disgusting it is for a father of an 11 year old boy to say that he wished his son wad murdered by a 60 year old white man instead of an illegal immigrant. He used his son's death to take shots at a political party and their supporters. That's disgusting. And here you are trying to capitalize on school shootings to deflect away from this topic. There are sp many ways to point out obvious differences in the situations, but that would be playing into your hand.
I'll try again... A grieving father doesn't want Republicans using his son's death to take shots at undocumented immigrants.
I am responding to your disgusting post. A grieving father was addressing the misuse of his son's death by Republicans.

You have no empathy for a grieving father.
 
No. He wants to grieve privately and he cannot do that now that his son’s death has been coopted by the Know-Nothing MAGAS. What is disgusting is the use Trump and his nimrods are making of it.
He puts himself in front of a camera and says that he wishes his son was murdered by a 60 year old white man instead of an illegal immigrant because he knows it is a bad look for the political party he supports. That is NOT someone who wants to grieve in private. That is someone who wants to use his son's death to take shots at the party he hates. Your argument would hold water if he simply asked that his son not be used to bring attention to the republicans agenda. But he didn't.

Every rape and murder committed by illegal immigrants should be brought to light. Especially those involving children. You will use data that is padded by inner city gang violence, domestic crimes and rampant theft caused by liberal policies in order to make it seem that crimes committed by illegal immigrants are far less than that of Americans in order to justify doing nothing about the increasing number of Americans being victims of violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants.
 
I'll try again... A grieving father doesn't want Republicans using his son's death to take shots at undocumented immigrants.
I am responding to your disgusting post. A grieving father was addressing the misuse of his son's death by Republicans.

You have no empathy for a grieving father.
No. A grieving father does not use his son’s death to take shots at republicans. A grieving father wishes his son was not murdered. He doesn't wish his son was murdered by a 60 year old white man instead. I have empathy for him. I have empathy for everyone who loses someone close to them, even Michael Brown's mother. What I don't have for him is respect. I think he is a disgusting liberal who is so ate up in politics that he would wish his son was murdered by the evil white man instead of the helpless asylum seeker instead of just wishing his son wasn't murdered at all. He chose to put himself in front of a camera and say those things. For you to defend him is wild as hell.
 
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I'll try again... A grieving father doesn't want Republicans using his son's death to take shots at undocumented immigrants.
I am responding to your disgusting post. A grieving father was addressing the misuse of his son's death by Republicans.

You have no empathy for a grieving father.
If not for the current admin’s open border policies his son would still be alive so there’s that…
 
He puts himself in front of a camera and says that he wishes his son was murdered by a 60 year old white man instead of an illegal immigrant because he knows it is a bad look for the political party he supports. That is NOT someone who wants to grieve in private. That is someone who wants to use his son's death to take shots at the party he hates. Your argument would hold water if he simply asked that his son not be used to bring attention to the republicans agenda. But he didn't.

Every rape and murder committed by illegal immigrants should be brought to light. Especially those involving children. You will use data that is padded by inner city gang violence, domestic crimes and rampant theft caused by liberal policies in order to make it seem that crimes committed by illegal immigrants are far less than that of Americans in order to justify doing nothing about the increasing number of Americans being victims of violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants.
You know nothing about what I will or won’t to so cut the crap. You want to hate liberals so badly that you cannot even gave empathy for a grieving parent. Absolutely disgusting.
 
You know nothing about what I will or won’t to so cut the crap. You want to hate liberals so badly that you cannot even gave empathy for a grieving parent. Absolutely disgusting.
Can you calm down, gather your thoughts and retype this message so that I can make some sense out of it?
 
These lunatics can't even agree that it was disgusting to wish that a white man had killed his son. They will die on the strangest hills.
 
Can you calm down, gather your thoughts and retype this message so that I can make some sense out of it?
Other than the typo of to which should be do, the post is fine. You were telling me you know how I would try to bend statistics about immigrant crime to fit my view point and I told you that you are in no position to assume anything about how I treat crime stats. Clear enough?
 
Also, how about cutting out the patronizing crap. No need to ask if I am ok or to suggest I calm down. Those comments are better addressed to you and Mac.
 
I don't think it's a bad thing to correct a candidate or provide context for what they say if it is a blatant misrepresentation of the truth. The problem is they only did it on one side. They also led Kamala's talking points multiple times. 3 on 1 and Trump only moderately made a fool out of himself. He's grown up so much.
ABC did a fact-check afterward:
* VP Harris received 3 "True" ratings and 3 "False" ratings
* President Trump received 0 "True" ratings and 6 "False ratings
* Harris also received 4 ratings of "Needs context" and 3 others rated some degree of truth
* Trump also received 1 "True, but needs context," 1 "Needs context," 1 "Misleading," and 3 others rated some degree of false
So the total is 10 truths/truth-ish & 3 false for Harris; 3 truth-ish & 9 false/false-ish for Trump. And that's giving Trump credit for a "Misleading" statement. So President Trump lied much more than VP Harris. It makes sense that if anyone was fact-checked more by the mods, it would be him.

Politifact:
Harris- false, true, 2 mostly false, half true (total: 1-4 at worst)
Trump- 6 false, 3 "Pants on Fire!" (so even worse than "false"), 2 mostly false, 2 half true, and a mostly true (total: 3-11 at best)

Reuters: Their analyses are more narrative, with no consistent, succinct ratings.

FactCheck.org: Like Reuters, it's narrative and hard to tally.

According to Newsweek, the mods fact-checked President Trump 4 times: (1) "There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born," (2) "...no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," (3) "...overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country," and (4) "..60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican, looked at it and said there was no widespread fraud." Those are some doozies, and pretty easy to predict and therefore prepare for. He also lied way, way more than Harris. What were they supposed to fact-check with Harris? that "nearly $4,000" was the high end projection from a liberal group? or debate what constitutes a "combat zone" where troops are deployed?
 
No. A grieving father does not use his son’s death to take shots at republicans. A grieving father wishes his son was not murdered. He doesn't wish his son was murdered by a 60 year old white man instead. I have empathy for him. I have empathy for everyone who loses someone close to them, even Michael Brown's mother. What I don't have for him is respect. I think he is a disgusting liberal who is so ate up in politics that he would wish his son was murdered by the evil white man instead of the helpless asylum seeker instead of just wishing his son wasn't murdered at all. He chose to put himself in front of a camera and say those things. For you to defend him is wild as hell.
For the third time: The grieving father is not politicizing his son's death. He is calling out Republicans who politicized his son's death.

And no, you don't have empathy for him. If you had empathy, you would understand his frustration that Republicans are politicizing the death of his son. You agree with the Republicans' messaging and therefore give them a pass. You're really backwards and disgusting.
 
ABC did a fact-check afterward:
* VP Harris received 3 "True" ratings and 3 "False" ratings
* President Trump received 0 "True" ratings and 6 "False ratings
* Harris also received 4 ratings of "Needs context" and 3 others rated some degree of truth
* Trump also received 1 "True, but needs context," 1 "Needs context," 1 "Misleading," and 3 others rated some degree of false
So the total is 10 truths/truth-ish & 3 false for Harris; 3 truth-ish & 9 false/false-ish for Trump. And that's giving Trump credit for a "Misleading" statement. So President Trump lied much more than VP Harris. It makes sense that if anyone was fact-checked more by the mods, it would be him.

Politifact:
Harris- false, true, 2 mostly false, half true (total: 1-4 at worst)
Trump- 6 false, 3 "Pants on Fire!" (so even worse than "false"), 2 mostly false, 2 half true, and a mostly true (total: 3-11 at best)

Reuters: Their analyses are more narrative, with no consistent, succinct ratings.

FactCheck.org: Like Reuters, it's narrative and hard to tally.

According to Newsweek, the mods fact-checked President Trump 4 times: (1) "There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born," (2) "...no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," (3) "...overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country," and (4) "..60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican, looked at it and said there was no widespread fraud." Those are some doozies, and pretty easy to predict and therefore prepare for. He also lied way, way more than Harris. What were they supposed to fact-check with Harris? that "nearly $4,000" was the high end projection from a liberal group? or debate what constitutes a "combat zone" where troops are deployed?
You realize I was talking about during the debate and by the moderators?
 
You realize I was talking about during the debate and by the moderators?
Yes:
According to Newsweek, the mods fact-checked President Trump 4 times: (1) "There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born," (2) "...no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," (3) "...overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country," and (4) "..60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican, looked at it and said there was no widespread fraud." Those are some doozies, and pretty easy to predict and therefore prepare for. He also lied way, way more than Harris. What were they supposed to fact-check with Harris? that "nearly $4,000" was the high end projection from a liberal group? or debate what constitutes a "combat zone" where troops are deployed?
So again, what were they supposed to fact-check w/ VP Harris, who was much more accurate and truthful?
 
For the third time: The grieving father is not politicizing his son's death. He is calling out Republicans who politicized his son's death.

And no, you don't have empathy for him. If you had empathy, you would understand his frustration that Republicans are politicizing the death of his son. You agree with the Republicans' messaging and therefore give them a pass. You're really backwards and disgusting.
For the third time you are ignoring what was totally wrong and disgusting with what he said because he is ate up in partisan politics. We can move on. You're okay with his disgraceful attitude, you've said enough.
 
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VP Harris, who was much more accurate and truthful?
There's no use, you've already shut down any opposition to your opinions. She lied all night. I could give you one lie, and you will tell me she was telling the truth.
 
For the third time you are ignoring what was totally wrong and disgusting with what he said because he is ate up in partisan politics. We can move on. You're okay with his disgraceful attitude, you've said enough.
Republicans politicized his son's death. His comment was in response to that, criticizing them. His "wish" was not for the purpose of furthering his own political agenda; it was to silence the Republicans misusing his son's death for their political agenda. You have to be really stupid and lacking some basic human decency not to understand that.
 
Republicans politicized his son's death. His comment was in response to that, criticizing them. His "wish" was not for the purpose of furthering his own political agenda; it was to silence the Republicans misusing his son's death for their political agenda. You have to be really stupid and lacking some basic human decency not to understand that.
You idiot. He could have said that he wished his son wasn't killed at all and said the same thing about how that way the republicans couldn't use his son’s name. But no, he went woke with his own son’s death with the 60 year old white man shit. You people are the sick ones. You can't even see it.
 
There's no use, you've already shut down any opposition to your opinions. She lied all night. I could give you one lie, and you will tell me she was telling the truth.
If I've shut you down, it's because you believe absolute nonsense that is easily debunked. I'm almost always thorough.

I dare you to give me one alleged lie VP Harris told.
 
You idiot. He could have said that he wished his son wasn't killed at all and said the same thing about how that way the republicans couldn't use his son’s name. But no, he went woke with his own son’s death with the 60 year old white man shit. You people are the sick ones. You can't even see it.
Oh, so now you want to police the way a grieving father responded after Republicans politicized the death of his son. You're absolute trash. Go back to obsessing about trans kids' genitals, scumbag.
 
If I've shut you down, it's because you believe absolute nonsense that is easily debunked. I'm almost always thorough.

I dare you to give me one alleged lie VP Harris told.
The Charlottesville hoax has been repeatedly debunked. The Left is becoming more cult like every day: rife with half truths, outright lies, and of course the Evil Orange boogeyman. Every cult has to have one. The blood bath lie is another go to that has been completely taken out of context. Trump incited a riot on Jan 6 has no credible evidence to support this allegation
 
If I've shut you down, it's because you believe absolute nonsense that is easily debunked. I'm almost always thorough.

I dare you to give me one alleged lie VP Harris told.
So, just so we're clear. It is your allegation that Harris did not tell a single lie last night?
 
Oh, so now you want to police the way a grieving father responded after Republicans politicized the death of his son. You're absolute trash. Go back to obsessing about trans kids' genitals, scumbag.
So you don’t think trans kids ever regret the nuts getting chopped off part of it all?
 
The Charlottesville hoax has been repeatedly debunked The Left is becoming more cult like every day: rife with half truths, outright lies, and of course the Evil Orange boogeyman Every cult has to have one The blood bath lie is another go to that has been completely taken out of context Trump incited a riot on Jan 6 has no credible evidence to support this allegation
National ban on abortion. 2025, she was asked about fracking and mandatory buy backs, but didn't even get pressured to give answers on them. She lied about why millions of people lost their jobs at the end of Trump’s term. She lied about Trump giving us covid. She was totally dishonest about his response to the Central Park 5. She said all kinds of shit that the moderators could have checked her on. They both did. But like we said, it was one way, nit both.
 
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Trump might be a dimwit at times, but the GASLIGHTING done by the media is of a level we've never seen. This will get picked apart by our two libtards, but it's so true. Sadly, can't prove it though. The bastards are masters.
 
So, just so we're clear. It is your allegation that Harris did not tell a single lie last night?
Absolutely not. I referenced two in the last paragraph of my post about fact-checking.

National ban on abortion. 2025, she was asked about fracking and mandatory buy backs, but didn't even get pressured to give answers on them. She lied about why millions of people lost their jobs at the end of Trump’s term. She lied about Trump giving us covid. She was totally dishonest about his response to the Central Park 5. She said all kinds of shit that the moderators could have checked her on. They both did. But like we said, it was one way, nit both.
national ban on abortion: President Trump has consistently said he wouldn't sign it. I don't believe him, and VP Harris apparently doesn't believe him. If she was making a prediction, fine. If she was saying he would based on his own word, she was wrong. Since you credit her with being so smart and knowledgeable that she couldn't have possibly made an honest mistake, it's a lie.

Project 2025 is independent of Trump. For him to still be pretending that he doesn't even know what it is is laughable. If re-elected, it will absolutely be his playbook.

Fracking and buybacks: If she didn't give an answer and wasn't pressed to... 🤷‍♂️ It's not like either of them gave succinct, direct answers to anything. I thought President Trump insisted on getting the last word in most exchanges; maybe his interrupting and blathering on meant there was no time to squeeze her.

Uh... why did millions of people lose their jobs at the end of Trump's term, according to you? And what did she say?

She said Trump gave us covid? Literally? When?

She was spot-on about the Central Park 5. Absolutely true.

The fact-checking was appropriately one-sided: the biggest liar in Presidential history got called on his crap. I thought Trump was given greater leeway to talk over the mods and keep responding. I'm not crying about it, though.
 
Absolutely not. I referenced two in the last paragraph of my post about fact-checking.


national ban on abortion: President Trump has consistently said he wouldn't sign it. I don't believe him, and VP Harris apparently doesn't believe him. If she was making a prediction, fine. If she was saying he would based on his own word, she was wrong. Since you credit her with being so smart and knowledgeable that she couldn't have possibly made an honest mistake, it's a lie.

Project 2025 is independent of Trump. For him to still be pretending that he doesn't even know what it is is laughable. If re-elected, it will absolutely be his playbook.

Fracking and buybacks: If she didn't give an answer and wasn't pressed to... 🤷‍♂️ It's not like either of them gave succinct, direct answers to anything. I thought President Trump insisted on getting the last word in most exchanges; maybe his interrupting and blathering on meant there was no time to squeeze her.

Uh... why did millions of people lose their jobs at the end of Trump's term, according to you? And what did she say?

She said Trump gave us covid? Literally? When?

She was spot-on about the Central Park 5. Absolutely true.

The fact-checking was appropriately one-sided: the biggest liar in Presidential history got called on his crap. I thought Trump was given greater leeway to talk over the mods and keep responding. I'm not crying about it, though.
She was not spot on with the Central Park 5. That was a brutal rape and assault where those kids made detailed confessions. They were wrongful arrested and tried. But Trump’s comments were in respect to having suspects confess. She left that part out.

So you chalk everything up to Kamala not believing Trump so that means she can just say whatever she wants and you will give her the benefit of the doubt. You are such a hypocrite.
 
So you chalk everything up to Kamala not believing Trump so that means she can just say whatever she wants and you will give her the benefit of the doubt. You are such a hypocrite.
Being a hypocrite is the least of his problems. He's a lying, delusional, party hack. And those are his good qualities.
 
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