Think about some of the title winners recently. Baylor with all those big muscle guards that could shoot and attack at will. Nova and their guards, the UConn guards like Newton(transfer from East Carolina) that was just relentless in attacking the goal. Look at the teams tomorrow, Florida and that guard trio, similar to Baylors with the smaller but ferocious Walter Clayton Jr dominating the floor. And then those Houston guys last night who look like they live in the weight room. And 23, 22 and 21 years old.
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Think about some of the title winners recently. Baylor with all those big muscle guards that could shoot and attack at will. Nova and their guards, the UConn guards like Newton(transfer from East Carolina) that was just relentless in attacking the goal. Look at the teams tomorrow, Florida and that guard trio, similar to Baylors with the smaller but ferocious Walter Clayton Jr dominating the floor. And then those Houston guys last night who look like they live in the weight room. And 23, 22 and 21 years old.
I'm not sure if I posted this, but my prediction for this team was to get to the FF and then lose. It just seemed like we were a little too 3 dependent and our offense could grind to a halt against better teams at times. That changed probably about a month ago as we were rolling teams and I thought we would cut the nets down. Maybe this year was similar to 99, in that we did not play enough down to the wire games to be comfortable in those situations. We certainly did not look comfortable the last 8 minutes or especially the last 2 minutes.
Honestly, until proven otherwise by winning that 6th and final game, I always expect a loss in the tournament.
Despite all my histrionics, I thought we would cut them down.
Blew a one and one vs Unc in the ACC T w 30 secs to go. The worst FT shooter for a guard that I have seen in many years at Duke.
Proctor looked great for most of this year but he does pick some very inopportune times to have bad games. I still hope he returns. He is a streaky shooter. When he was on we were unbeatable.
He had great looks last night that didn't go down early, and I think that got in his head. I love the kid and hope he comes back. The kid was a warrior in the program for 3 years. Nothing will ever change that. Plus, 3 ACC titles, a winning record against the cheats, two elite eights, and a final four is pretty damn good.
Make our late free throws and inbound the ball and we are playing Monday. If you can't win the last 2 minutes it doesn't matter what you did before that, unless you are up 20.
It's a running gag around here. But you are right; that is likely why we lost the game.
Jon mentioned it in his presser.I read we were 1-4 in games decided in the last min...the win being the lane violation vs the Cheats....if thats true i think we have found where we need a lot more work....
One of the reasons the ACC is down is because my understanding is lack of NIL money at least compared to the SEC.
B10 seems to be the NIL leader....but SEC teams like Texas are also major players
That is all on Jon. You just can't roll the ball out of timeouts and just have your best player go one on one. It happened earlier in the season and Jon did the same thing last night. I counted 3 times in the last few minutes where we came out of timeouts and twice it was a one on one with Coop and the other was a one on one with Kon where he got his shot blocked.
You can't go to the line up 1 with 20 seconds left and miss if you want to win. RJ and Mark Williams did this as well. Pretty sure that is what my dad will say when I call him later.
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I’m not sure JWill was much better.
Don’t forget 02 against IU
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The SEC network helps as well. Players and families want to be on tv every game. Even before nil the Sec was emerging past the Acc when they got their own network. The Accn is not available in a lot of areas from my understanding
Great breakdown -
https://nil-ncaa.com/power5/
Looks like the SEC leads...I do recall Ohio St football's roster had $20M in NIL last year....
The $$ is getting out of hand
USA Today called it the biggest collapse in tounament history given the context.
That is debateable but ouch.
That is debateable but ouch.
True. Though Williams was in another stratosphere as a player compared to Proctor.
As a football- centric conference, the SEC is awash in NIL funds. The SEC donors also want to compete in the NCAAT. The ACC has not reached that the breadth and depth of the SEC's level, except in a few cases- such as Duke's NIL payments to Cooper Flagg.
The SEC has perfected the model, because they were doing it anyway, before the NIL and direct payments to players became popular.
Maybe Bengals4Life writes copy for the USA Today in his more lucid moments
I have been critical of a lot of our past one and done players. We always build the team around a guy that has some weaknesses.
Not this year. Cooper was that guy. Athletic, great scorer, good passer, and he plays high level defense. He is the real deal. Thats what stings about this season.
I still say we just a little too weak at the guard position.
Not this year. Cooper was that guy. Athletic, great scorer, good passer, and he plays high level defense. He is the real deal. Thats what stings about this season.
I still say we just a little too weak at the guard position.
Being streaky will be what keeps him out of the NBA unless he fixes it.
#6 was there for the taking. These kids will live with this loss forever. I know Jon will learn and grow from everything, but most of these guys will never get a shot at redemption.
You live and you learn . Now I hope the players that return keep this loss etched in the back of their minds and use it .
It’s on to the off season and next . One thing for sure is that Scheyer has a lot he can take from this season and build on it .
It’s on to the off season and next . One thing for sure is that Scheyer has a lot he can take from this season and build on it .
Proctor is a talented player, but the one thing that has spoken volumes to me about his desire to be great is this: His one glaring weakness as a freshman was he needed to spend time in the weight room and get stronger. He clearly hasn't done much, if anything, to address that weakness. I'm not banging on the kid, it's his choice, but it does speak to his competitiveness and desire to be the best player he can be.
Hard to expect a guy to play well against physical teams when he hasn't done much in 3 years to give himself a better chance to handle that type of physicality for 30+ minutes. Again, it's his choice.
The reason I say it will be hard for next year's team to "Learn from this Loss or Keep it in their mind" is it will be a Completely NEW ROSTER... so very few if any will even be rollovers. UNLESS they all decide to return... 91 Team got their revenge on UNLV, because it was the same team with REVENGE set in their brain for an entire year... Next year it's just a new team, younger and probably a little less talented, that will be compared to this Final 4 team. Which sucks because that's a tough task to have to go up against...
Jon has to have this battle with himself going forward. For him to not make the same mistakes. But the players it's just a sad loss...
Hopefully we get some STUD/WORK HORSE/DAWGS in the transfer portal that will balance out and take next year's YOUNG ROSTER to the next level.
Jon has to have this battle with himself going forward. For him to not make the same mistakes. But the players it's just a sad loss...
Hopefully we get some STUD/WORK HORSE/DAWGS in the transfer portal that will balance out and take next year's YOUNG ROSTER to the next level.
It’s his choice. I’d be surprised if weight training weren’t mandatory for all the players in season and offseason.
This article found that there were no adverse shooting effects working out the same day before a game. I don’t know if I’d do any legwork prior to a game, but either way the coaching staff may need to re-examine their weight program if Procto has been working out consistently for three years
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Meh, there are always going to be dipshit's that are going to write ridiculous stuff to get hits and pander to the anti-Duke crowd. Case in point, on CBS sports some idiot titled his piece "Duke's Agony: Predictable flaws finally surface, lead to final four demise". Absurd and not even worth clicking on, but not surprising given it is Duke basketball.
Yeah, that was a Matt Norlander piece he's a freaking tool bag who hates Duke.
Undoubtedly mandatory, but you can't make a kid actually lift if he/she doesn't want to. As I saw when I was in school, some guys would show up as required but would just hang out and talk the whole time.It’s his choice. I’d be surprised if weight training weren’t mandatory for all the players in season and offseason.
This article found that there were no adverse shooting effects working out the same day before a game. I don’t know if I’d do any legwork prior to a game, but either way the coaching staff may need to re-examine their weight program if Procto has been working out consistently for three years
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Virginia has the #14 collective in the nation. Why that doesnt end up in players or wins is beyond me, but they have $14M to spend.
Yes. It’s BS. Bleep him. That’s Why I can’t listen to the media post game. They all want to talk about Houston. Yes they have shooters and yes they play great defense and are a physical team. But we controlled the game. And we basically handed it to them at the end. I think that significantly exacerbates the pain of the loss.
The flagrant 1 was a huge turning point. They got lucky. proctor missed all 4 3s and they were all open and makable shots. Then he and Sion inadvertently, due to no pressure, dribbled the ball off their knee. And Proctor missing the 1&1 was a killer.
This is news. Will you provide the source? And where do Duke and Wake fall on this spectrum?
86 was very painful because that was, imo, the quintessential Duke team. Fundamentals defense. But I didn’t feel nearly as bad because by then I thought we had the next Bobby Knight. And recruiting was so different. And in 87 we lost to the National champion in a competitive game. So I was excited. 99 at the time hurt because they were so dominant.
This hurts more in part because of the insane portal and the massive money — especially what football schools pour into it.
Young as they are, this might be the best Duke team to not win a Championship.
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