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Official game day thread- THE final four- Duke vs Houston

Absolutely gutted. A couple of those calls at the end were straight-up bullshit—I get the frustration with that. But trashing Scheyer and the players right now is extremely short-sighted. Houston played a hell of a game—tough, disciplined, experienced. Sometimes you just get beat.
 
It's crazy how everyone was praising Jon coming into the weekend and now he's being trashed everywhere. Proctor was not good tonight but that kid played great for us all year. Fandom is a weird thing.
I don’t agree with the trashing but Jon costed us this game . He knows it. Everybody knows it. He used no bench the second half and chose to play not to lose ball which we haven’t played all year. Let’s not talk out the inbounds plays or final play.. his face has been nervous since the elite 8. Hes young and i won’t be surprised if we win it all next year
 
Because the coaching was non existent last ten minutes. Because proctor folded again in crunch time (unc game) . Because Scheyer drew up an awful play. Because Scheyer left a 7’2 center take all the minutes who didn’t have a rebound all game and didn’t get his other true big in. Because in all 4 games we lost in the exact same way, and Scheyer didn’t learn anything from any of them
What a shit take.
 
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It's crazy how everyone was praising Jon coming into the weekend and now he's being trashed everywhere. Proctor was not good tonight but that kid played great for us all year. Fandom is a weird thing.
Mal getting 0 boards is what I’ll remember most. You obviously can’t give a team like that repeated looks from 3. Even when they were struggling in the first half, they still had like 8 off boards the first ten minutes.
 
Foster may have helped. I really don’t know. I’m sorry but Proctor’s game frustrates me. It has all season. He had his moments, but again, he’s basically just a streaky set shooter. He should be able to create more on his own, but can’t.

And when a team like Houston can make Cooper’s life a little hard, Proctor doesn’t have it in him to step up.

He is just weak, period. As soon as we play a physical team you know he'll be worthless. I hope we get Foster back over Proctor. Three years is enough for me. He still looks like a freshman in the physicality department.
 
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Mal getting 0 boards is what I’ll remember most. You obviously can’t give a team like that repeated looks from 3. Even when they were struggling in the first half, they still had like 8 off boards the first ten minutes.
I agree with this. Poor rebounding hurt us. I thought we cleaned it up at times. Mal played great in March and had his worst game tonight. I feel for him. He should come back but I understand his situation probably doesn't allow for it. They cut it to six we got rattled. Jon called that timeout late and we seemed to get adjusted. Coop hit that huge 3 and then more shenanigans happened. Everything that could go right for them did and wrong for us did. It sucks so bad. I'm not going to trash these kids and Jon though after the year they gave us.
 
He is just weak, period. As soon as we play a physical team you know he'll be worthless. I hope we get Foster back over Proctor. Three years is enough for me. He still looks like a freshman in the physicality department.
Go pull for another team then. What a garbage take.
 
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Proctor did not have a good game but he had a good year. I don't want him transferring because the fans turned on him. If I read a lot of "don't want him back" posts I would leave too.
 
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I didn’t think it was Jon’s fault, or the refs, or the freshmen.. It ultimately came down proctor not being clutch with 1 and 1’s and a terrible turnover and sion not being able to get the ball in.. take those things away we still win. I’ll also add I’ll take proctor back in a heartbeat.


This one stings a lot- I believe this was the best team in the nation. To get to a final four in yr 3 is impressive and something to be celebrated. Glad we made it here even if we had to choke, still better than losing at any point before.
 
honestly i knew proctor would miss those. i love him. hes folded at the line all year in big moments and im sad i had no confidence.

i was in the 10th row and it sucked
 
We lost the Game... Bad coaching down the stretch. We made ZERO WINNING PLAYS. Gave up too many offensive rebounds. Jon made zero adjustments to maintain. Proctors 1 and 1 missed free throw will killer. Up 1 you have to hit the front end... Lastly, if I'm Jon I tell Coop, GET TO THE RIM NO MATTER WHAT. IF THEY DONT ROTATE, MAKE A PLAY AT THE BASKET, IF THEY ROTATE, LOB TO ManMan, it will be open, don't settle for a jumpshot.

Last play, Cooper get to the rim score, Get fouled, or Throw the Lob and Dunk. BAD to say, but let the refs make a tough call if you get fouled. If that happens We Win. If you miss it, I'll live with that result, if I'm Jon...

Good season, Banner season, but not CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON. Next year. And now the FUN of the off-season. (SARCASM)
 
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**** the terrible foul call, refs, etc. stop taking your godamn foot off the gas and we win by 20. Let the team be who they are, a ****ing monster. I'm sick at my stomach, this should not have been a game.
 
It's going to be a long time before I can get over this, if ever, and living in NC makes it worse. I work with all cheat fans. And all of them will be in my face on Monday morning.
 
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Losing in the elite eight is worse. I was glad we made it past Alabama. And I HATE losing in the first weekend. Final Four I can live with.
What is the difference between elite eight and final four really? Both you come up short. This was a Duke choke. Sorry to say it. Definitely going to hurt because this team should have won it all this year. Coach Scheyer needs to get better
 
Just an infuriating and incredibly painful loss.

We were soft with the ball giving up too many turnovers that last 6-7 minutes. Proctor, Sion, and Kon all drove and either just lost it or let it get blocked. Have to do better.

Got to say, Proctor shot terribly. In some ways, the game was on his shoulders. He just did not come through. He is not good enough for the moment. You can see he doesn't have confidence to nail it. How many open 3s did he miss? Painful. He's been really solid at times but you could see he just was not relaxed as a shooter. He's not really a shooter at this point. And just could not come up big when we needed him. He is also not a good FT shooter. He's missed so many crucial FTs this year and we mostly won in spite of that. Missing the front end of a one and one at that point is a knife in the back. But the bigger mistake, imo was when he got the pass from Kon he had to look get rid of it immediately. Even Sion (who has more ice in his veins than Proctor). Flagg was open. Just can't hold onto it unless you are an 80% guy.

Flagg was awesome. But I have to say, and this is probably the one criticism of him at this point, he tries too many tough shots, those pull up or fade away mid-range umpers are very difficult and not really high percentage shots. He missed a ton of those. I've noticed this challenge for many years now that shows up in a lot of talented, young, usually OAD, college players. Same thing R.J. Barrett would do. They learn the moves that you see from a Kobe or LeBron or Doncic or Jordan that in reality are very tough shots unless you practice them thousands of times. And at this stage, Flagg has just not taken those shots enough, imo. It's one thing to mimic the moves of the pros and develop the same move. Flagg has that. It's another to master those shots at a very high %.

That was not a great shot he took at the end, imo. Would have been an amazing shot if it went in. But he needed to drive for the basket or drive and dish.

Again, love him. We would not be in the FF without him. But that's part of the territory with a freshman.

Really, really sad and so incredibly irritating to be that close and lose, especially given how great a season we had. We had that game and just ****ing gave it away! 64-55. Should have won, no doubt.

Haven't been this sad probably since 1999. There were other tough losses (2004. We were just robbed. 2006 tough - but that team was flawed. 2022 hurt but it seemed the case we just were not good enough). This hurts so bad because we had the game in our pocket and could not execute down the stretch. Houston has a great D but still, we are better than we played. Could be and needed to be. We just had to play tough down the stretch and have more poise getting the ball in, being strong with the ball.

The other frustration was when our defense broke down. Usually from an attempted steal or double team in the 2nd half. You just could not leave one of their 3-point shooters open. That one where Flagg tried to jump the double and left his guy wide open. Ugh. Happened 3-4 times in the second half. No reason for the D to do that. You have to stick to their guards.
 
Just an infuriating and incredibly painful loss.

We were soft with the ball giving up too many turnovers that last 6-7 minutes. Proctor, Sion, and Kon all drove and either just lost it or let it get blocked. Have to do better.

Got to say, Proctor shot terribly. In some ways, the game was on his shoulders. He just did not come through. He is not good enough for the moment. You can see he doesn't have confidence to nail it. How many open 3s did he miss? Painful. He's been really solid at times but you could see he just was not relaxed as a shooter. He's not really a shooter at this point. And just could not come up big when we needed him. He is also not a good FT shooter. He's missed so many crucial FTs this year and we mostly won in spite of that. Missing the front end of a one and one at that point is a knife in the back. But the bigger mistake, imo was when he got the pass from Kon he had to look get rid of it immediately. Even Sion (who has more ice in his veins than Proctor). Flagg was open. Just can't hold onto it unless you are an 80% guy.

Flagg was awesome. But I have to say, and this is probably the one criticism of him at this point, he tries too many tough shots, those pull up or fade away mid-range umpers are very difficult and not really high percentage shots. He missed a ton of those. I've noticed this challenge for many years now that shows up in a lot of talented, young, usually OAD, college players. Same thing R.J. Barrett would do. They learn the moves that you see from a Kobe or LeBron or Doncic or Jordan that in reality are very tough shots unless you practice them thousands of times. And at this stage, Flagg has just not taken those shots enough, imo. It's one thing to mimic the moves of the pros and develop the same move. Flagg has that. It's another to master those shots at a very high %.

That was not a great shot he took at the end, imo. Would have been an amazing shot if it went in. But he needed to drive for the basket or drive and dish.

Again, love him. We would not be in the FF without him. But that's part of the territory with a freshman.

Really, really sad and so incredibly irritating to be that close and lose, especially given how great a season we had. We had that game and just ****ing gave it away! 64-55. Should have won, no doubt.

Haven't been this sad probably since 1999. There were other tough losses (2004. We were just robbed. 2006 tough - but that team was flawed. 2022 hurt but it seemed the case we just were not good enough). This hurts so bad because we had the game in our pocket and could not execute down the stretch. Houston has a great D but still, we are better than we played. Could be and needed to be. We just had to play tough down the stretch and have more poise getting the ball in, being strong with the ball.

The other frustration was when our defense broke down. Usually from an attempted steal or double team in the 2nd half. You just could not leave one of their 3-point shooters open. That one where Flagg tried to jump the double and left his guy wide open. Ugh. Happened 3-4 times in the second half. No reason for the D to do that. You have to stick to their guards.
Believe it or not Tyrese was 80% until recently I believe. What’s crazy is he was 87% freshman year. He’s gone down soph and junior years finishing at 68%. Just wild
 
Shooting 50% free throws down the stretch for a guard is inexcusable. Even their big man who shoots 60% made both of his toward the end
Hey I’m with you but it’s wild that he’s gone down so much lately. Our 7’2 center shot 80% tonight. Better than proctor. In fact he finishes the year at 78%. 10% better than a junior guard.
 
Think this was one of the best chances for us to win #6 and we blew it. It's hard to win it all and even harder when you have 3-4 freshman who are the main part of your rotation and playing against 22- 24 year olds. Unfortunately nothing will change with the way we recruit. It's been like that for the last few years. We put out great NBA players but unfortunately we only get those great future NBA players for only a year.
 
Dude, I'm done with these people who trash our players and coaches. We have a thread with people talking about how wrong they were about Scheyer and now he's trash to some? Bullshit. Proctor is being trashed by some here and all over the place. It's a shame. These kids gave us everything and people turn on them just like that. I'm disgusted in the way we lost and the reactions of some of our "fans".
 
Sometimes people just need to vent. It was a tough loss; and I am not looking forward to next week. Jon needs to recruit some guys back. we need more than 2 or 3 guys back.
Gonna be a ROUGH WEEK...

MY PRODUCTIONS:

Malachi Declares, Flagg Declares, Kon declares, Proctor Declares(Stays Open to return), James graduates, Gillis Graduates, FOSTER RETUNS, Evans RETURNS, Ngongba Returns, Brown retuns, Harris Transfers...
 
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Not sure Proctor helped his draft stock tonight. Hope he returns. He was already mid 2nd round. He seemed kind of distant in some of the locker room videos like Roach was last year, but who knows. I love seniors so I'd love him back.
 
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If Proctor doesn't declare he's returning to Duke for his senior year, I think we know Flagg, Kon, and Mal are gone. Gillis and James are out of eligibility. Who knows about the rest? Mal should come back, but his situation probably ends any talk of that. The days of returning a ton of guys are over. This team was so special and that makes this hurt so much more.
 
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