If it were a Duke player it would trend weeks on social media, lead off multiple Sports Centers, and documentaries would be in the works!!! OFC
Alabama's Brandon Miller
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Fair enough. We should all recognize if he were in a state with stricter gun laws, he would be potentially held culpable as an accessory to the crime. It's like if we go to a store and your driving, but I go in, rob the place and kill someone without you knowing any of it was going to occur. In most situations, my actions would lead to you being potentially charged as an accessory. Either way, this is a tragedy regarding the loss of life and lives irreparably changed.
I know I am beating a dead horse here. So I will make one more rebuttal to a claim and then move on to the things we agree on.
Stricter gun laws would have not played a role in him being charged. Assuming his statements are factual. By his account, he never touched the gun, let alone used it. Miles, who was the legal owner of the gun, stashed it in Miller's backseat. In order for Miller to be culpable as an accessory, he would have to have had knowledge of Miles' intent for asking him to bring him the gun back, which would be by simply driving back to pick Miles up as intended anyways.
In your hypothetical, I would never in any case be charged as an accessory to the crime without me knowing what your intent was. If you went in, robbed the store and murdered someone, then came back out and told me, or I had a reasonable suspicion that you had committed a crime and I drove you away from the scene, then I could be held as an accessory after the fact. Which is a lesser charge in most cases than accessory to a crime.
In Miller's case, there is nothing to suggest that he knew what Miles' intent was. So nothing to support accessory to the crime. He didn't help Miles after the crime, so there is nothing to support accessory after the fact.
What we agree on:
1. This was a tragedy
2. Alabama COULD sit him solely based on optics.
3. Had this been Duke, it would be a shitshow.
I find it difficult to be convinced Miller thought anything reasonable could come of bringing a weapon to the owner requesting it at that hour. Those touching on the poor judgment on his part isn't enough for the parents of the slain or her now motherless child. Besides, as I stated earlier, I am not discussing the legal ramifications because we aren't privy to all the facts yet. But I am using hypotheticals that have occurred. I don't know if he's guilty or not. That said, he shouldn't be playing. Even if he was in the wrong time, wrong place situation he still shouldn't be playing basketball, and I don't think the school or Nate Oats have appropriately handled this.
I have not followed this case and I have only just now read this thread. My only thoughts are that yes, it is a tragedy, without proof of Miller's knowledge of the gun owner's intent no competent DA would bring charges against Miller and lastly, agreed that if this event had happened to a Duke player, all hell would have broken out and haters would be proposing conspiracy theories for decades. As for the optics side of things, well that was up to the school to decide. Nothing else to say because I learned a long time ago to be careful about forming opinions without the benefit of time passing.
That is just more BS, trying to sidestep your very obvious lack of qualifications to actually accurately interprate the laws. Nothing you say gives you that training or ability. I hate to tell you this, but you are not a legal expert. You are just a cop whose duty it is at a crime scene to apply his instructions on the law and hopefully make the correct decision. But cops are not legal experts. They are not the ones who ultimately decide if a crime has been committed. Those decisions are ALWAYS made by lawyers in the prosecutors office, That is why cops have to get premission even to obtain a search warrant. I have gotten into this with you because too often you belittle other posters or are condescending based upon baseless legal opinions as to what is or is not legal. Last question: have you ever made an arrest which was dismissed by prosecutors whose job it was to be the ultimate decision-maker on the ultimate legality of the arrest or which was thrown out by a court as a violation of the Fouth Amendment to the Costitution? OFC
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The guy brought a loaded weapon to a scene where someone was murdered. That doesn't make him a murderer, but he's not without blame either. Just because he was not charged does not mean he is in the right.
If I had a friend's gun and he asked me to bring it to him at 1 o'clock in the morning I would most likely ask why or he should have to save a life and keep a friend out of trouble.
I'm guessing bringing a loaded gun to a friend at 1am is a bad idea but I'm crazy that way.
I guess how the text was worded could mean a lot. Did he just send a text that said bring me my gun or did he say I left my gun in your car, can you bring it to me? Either way you still can’t prove he knew the intent of the guy who killed her.
You guys certainly don't let more than one fact determine your outlook. That's impressive.
Something to consider. Prior to the text, Miles called Miller to tell him to come pick them up. The text came just minutes before Miller arrived back at the club. So one, he was already on his way back to pick them up before the text saying to bring his gun. Two, there is at least a chance that he didn't read the text as he was driving. Regardless, people acting like Miller was delivering a loaded gun are only acting like this because it is the only simple fact they want to consider in order to maintain their stance. That's why we are all lucky that our fate isn't determined by opinions on the internet.
This right here, how is it so hard to understand
Lol. It wouldn't be hard to understand at all if all context of the situation wasn't removed.
Agreed. People are missing the entirety of the context. Miller was ALREADY on his way back to the club. Folks seem to be thinking that Miller received the text and then rushed from his residence to the club in order to deliver the gun. It is also unknown as to whether Miller actually even read the text while driving. Hell, sometimes I won't even read a text when I am home for a few hours unless it is from a loved one, and I never read a text while driving.
I am so glad that this event didn't happen to a Duke player. Conspiracy theorists are one of my bêtes noire.
After his "wrong place, wrong time" comment, the SID should have told Oats "you are done talking"....
Miller never touched the gun. How could he have brought the gun to the shooter? The shooter left the gun in the car and the shooter retrieved the gun from the car after Miller returned to pick him up. Miller was ALWAYS going to return to pick him up, because he was the one to drop him off.
In order for some of your statements to be true. Miller would have had to receive the text and read it, all BEFORE returning to pick his friend up. He was already on the way to pick up his friend when the text was sent.
Are we saying he should have read the text while driving, and then go straight home and leave the friend where they were?
In order for some of your statements to be true. Miller would have had to receive the text and read it, all BEFORE returning to pick his friend up. He was already on the way to pick up his friend when the text was sent.
Are we saying he should have read the text while driving, and then go straight home and leave the friend where they were?
According to the comments, Bama has done this "frisk" before every game but geez maybe it's time to not do it anymore
Now that goes beyond bad optics. Even if pre-game tradition, that is genuinely stupid.
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I haven’t be little any one but no I have not had a case thrown out for violation of the four amendment ( the right to unlawful search and seizure ) .
Lol who do you think swears out a warrant on the evidence ? It’s not the prosecution! No you don’t have to get permission to get a search warrant it’s simply presenting the evidence needed, then typing up the search warrant and swearing out the warrant infront of a judge . I can tell you know nothing about the legal system period !
Oh and for the record in order for the prosecution to throw out a case on the bases of a fourth amendment violation it is usually due to something the defense attorney has brought to light due to the fact that both the prosecution and arresting officer or lead detective have a meeting prior to court proceedings taking place or a grand jury being convened . The prosecution also holds the right to either stay with the offense charged or down grade the charges just to get a guilty verdict and one last thing you wouldn’t be going to court if a fourth amendment violation takes places if the DA is smart enough once the violation was brought to light the defendant or his attorney would receive a letter of retract. Meaning the DA’s office wishes to no longer proceed . The entire case for the prosecution is built by what the law enforcement department puts together . It’s the whole bases for any case !
Oh and Law enforcement officers just don’t take a 16 week course and get sworn in . Your constantly in class constantly learning . I also hold an associate in criminal justice if that helps you .
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Notes on how to handle a PR crisis: see what Alabama does, do the opposite…
I was just thinking that. Their reaction has been horrible.
And Saban is like I was planning on going to a game this year; now is as good a time as any. Not a good look
Nah that’s not an Alabama thing. That’s a young entitled athlete thing
If that’s a pregame tradition it’s the worst one of all time. Not exactly Clemson running down the hill touching Howard’s Rock or Mr Sandman at Vt football games.
Back to the drawing board Tide!
Nope. Nate Oats said he didn't even know the players did that frisk pre game because he's busy drawing up plays. Dudes full of crap. Like you said, they don't seem to care and just at some point it just goes away.
Hope they are ready for hostile crowds in the tournament.
Nate Oats don't know a lot that's going on. If I had a kid that was going to be a top five pick I would be keeping an eye on him.
I would hope Alabama would have at least halfway competent SIDs on staff. Apparently, the answer is no. The head of external relations for Alabama athletics should be fired...
