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Alabama's Brandon Miller

I was a narcotics, K9 and Juvenile officer for over 12 years .
I know the ends and outs how cases play out in court both state and federal . Just saying .
You have to be sh&*^ting me. You have witnessed some cases and that qualifies you to interprate the laws and know precisely why lawyers try cases the way they do or why judges decide cases in a certain manner? I guess we do not need law schools or bar exams or written legal opinions or any of that stuff, right? Really? OFC
 
You have to be sh&*^ting me. You have witnessed some cases and that qualifies you to interprate the laws and know precisely why lawyers try cases the way they do or why judges decide cases in a certain manner? I guess we do not need law schools or bar exams or written legal opinions or any of that stuff, right? Really? OFC
So I take it your a lawyer ? Surely not a defense attorney . Maybe a prosecutor or legal intern . I haven’t witnessed shit. How do you think a case starts ? Who do you think gathers evidence to present to a DA for prosecution or dismissal ? You think it’s as cut and dry as that ? The DA makes all the calls with out being presented the evidence collected ? Who do you think presses for the charges ?
You think the DA. Is the first called to a scene ? I haven’t witnessed shit . I’ve put the man hours in, collected the evidence, taken all the statements that’s needed to present to the DA for further process . Nothing starts with out any of that .
A lawyer is the second step of the process . Have you testified in murder cases? You ever been on a murder scene ? I have ! You know what it’s like to walk up on a shots fired call ? What about a gun shot victim? I do ? You know what the very first thing asked for in it all? I do? It’s sure not the defense attorney. It’s a call from the DA asking what you have from the scene ( statements, evidence visual and audio. Chain of command on everything collected ) then a meeting at his office as soon as your felony packet is complete so that you and him may decide on the next course of action ! What charges he can get off everything , will an accomplice flip , what he is willing to offer him to get him to do so . So yes I’m very familiar with the process.
 
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I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV.
I didn’t play one . I loved it breathed it but also saw cases worse then this where defendants walked away scot free all because a defense attorney only needs one in against a key witness just one to break his credibility to create doubt because he wasn’t honest with an investigator .
I can tell you these charges came swiftly because of the video surveillance. You don’t need much to process the charges once video and audio has been obtained. In this case it’s the two suspects on video shooting up the car a fleeing the scene . The DA with those two holds all the cards . The video, the victim’s boyfriends statement about returning fire in self defense and finding an officer after the incident occurred, the two suspects fleeing the scene then later lying to officers. I can tell you that they DA or police aren’t worried about Miller because the video surveillance is enough to secure a conviction on both suspects . I can tell you if a text showed the player asking Miller to bring his gun he’s about to shoot up a car and Miller responded, no doubt I’m on my way he would be charged with accessory because it’s shows that he knew the intent of why the player wanted the gun !
 
I was just trying to lighten the mood. If this happened to a Duke player, would you really want him playing the next game?
 
You have to be sh&*^ting me. You have witnessed some cases and that qualifies you to interprate the laws and know precisely why lawyers try cases the way they do or why judges decide cases in a certain manner? I guess we do not need law schools or bar exams or written legal opinions or any of that stuff, right? Really? OFC
Wtf! This is kinda out of line. I actually am a prosecutor and Shey’s analysis is spot on.
 
I was just trying to lighten the mood. If this happened to a Duke player, would you really want him playing the next game?
Yes . Especially if no criminal charges were filed . Why are you sitting him is the question ? If you sit him for one , you need to sit him for the rest of the season . You basically want him to sit for returning a gun to the owner of it and the actions of the owner once the gun was returned . One game wouldn’t fix what was done and it’s basically saying you hold him accountable for the choice or returning someone else’s property.
 
I’m going to leave with this and leave this subject alone . Three families are ruined due to the actions of that night .
What makes any of us think Miller , a young man isn’t putting his self through the ringer thinking what he could have done different ? You think it’s not weighing on him all because he played in a game ? This young man has to live with this the rest of his life . Sometimes a human beings punishment can be way worse then any judicial punishment handed down .
 
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I wouldn't sit him. I'd kick him off the team. Go prepare for the draft. Or go explain to the victim's family why you are playing this guy.
 
Duke Mu's hypothetical below is dead on with the facts as the prosecutors understood them. Under those facts, and given that in Alabama it is easy to get a gun, hard to see what crime he committed. And quite frankly when assessing whether someone merits staying in a program, it probably should not be based on a guess. Here, your guess is incorrect. Miller is over 18, which is the age at which someone can legally own a gun in that state and was not required to obtain a license.
News flash: it’s easy to get a gun anywhere in this country. Yes, it’s easier to buy a gun legally in Alabama than New York but I’m not sure we know if this gun was legally licensed or if it was bought on the street. Could be wrong
 
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If this happened at Duke I would be furious. I would not support the team if they let him play.
 
News flash: it’s easy to get a gun anywhere in this country. Yes, it’s easier to buy a gun legally in Alabama than New York but I’m not sure we know if this gun was legally licensed or if it was bought on the street. Could be wrong
You do not need a license to possess a gun in Alabama and there is no requirement that you buy it from some kind of licensed gun dealer. So, Miles owned that gun legally.
 
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News flash: it’s easy to get a gun anywhere in this country. Yes, it’s easier to buy a gun legally in Alabama than New York but I’m not sure we know if this gun was legally licensed or if it was bought on the street. Could be wrong
It was legally owned by the 21 year old player . Also for the record at 18 in Alabama you can purchase a long gun ( shotgun hunting rifle ) must be 21 with a state ID to purchase a handgun as it is in most states with an approved back ground check .
There is no licenses needed for the purchase of a handgun from a retailer. only a concealed weapons permit Or a purchase permit ( both only in some states required,usually just need a state I’d and state back ground check in most states ). A license is only needed when purchasing from a distributor or when buying from out of state ( however, any one legally able can purchase an FFL level one licenses for the right to purchase and sale firearms from the ATF upon approval ). I have a class one and three FFL .
 
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I think people are going on emotion and not logical thinking. That's easy to understand when the situation involves the loss of life. We get caught up wanting to blame anyone that we perceive as guilty without even having the least bit of knowledge of what actually took place.

I trust that in the month since the shooting, Alamba has done significant internal investigating that includes the involvement of the detectives and the DA investigating the crime and the parties involved and are satisfied that there is no legal or moral Liability.

I suspect that had this been Zion in a similar situation with the same facts being known and K making the same decision not to suspend him, there would be a lot of outsiders criticizing K and a lot of Duke fans defending the decision.

If we want him suspended for possessing the gun if it was illegally, that's another story. But if we want him punished because of the events surrounding the crime committed, that would not be fair.
 
Oh there is definitely moral liability. But no legal liability. Alabama does not care about the former. If Zion was involved in someone being murdered I would want no part of him.
 
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Oh there is definitely moral liability. But no legal liability. Alabama does not care about the former. If Zion was involved in someone being murdered I would want no part of him.
This kid was not involved in someone being murdered. If so, your opinion that there is no legal liability would be wrong.
 
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Well he kind of was. He didn't pull the trigger, but he contributed. I was not involved. You were not involved. But him? He kind of was.
 
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Well he kind of was involved. or else he is the stupidest person in history.
Can you explain how he was involved? I would honestly like for you to change my opinion. My opinion is based on the facts that he has not been listed as a suspect in the crime and there is nothing suggesting that he had prior knowledge of the shooter's intent . I doubt that him being a college basketball player at Alabama gives him special treatment from the law. Maybe if he was the QB on the football team? IDK.

It's a terrible situation that on the surface, it looks bad for Miller. But facts are not always presented on the surface. And our opinions don't determine the facts. From what we know, it is the opinion of some that he was involved, but there doesn't seem to be facts to support these opinions. If there were, he'd be charged. If there are facts that present themselves later, then I trust accountability will be held. But we are only willing to take away this kid's presumption of innocence even knowing that he hasn't been charged with a crime because of emotional and not rational thinking. I don't blame people for expressing this emotion, because of the situation.

All I can say, is thank God your legal rights or anyone else's are determined by opinions of the general public based on little known facts of the situation. That's not meant to be an insult, so please don't take it that way.
 
I didn't say he was directly involved. But he contributed. And someone died. His legal rights have nothing to do with anything I say. I think it is morally disgusting that he is allowed to play. I agree with you in a legal sense. But not a moral sense. I can respect where you are coming from. But this was a loaded gun not a baseball glove.
 
Well, you have the right to your opinion. I just don't see how you have formed that opinion. There is nothing that suggests that he was morally involved or that he contributed to the crime. I don't like that this gun was passed around like an old music album between friends. But that's a different discussion. Maybe in that sense, I can see where you find him morally liable. But as far as him being involved in the murder, it's just not a logical conclusion. Whether you mean criminally or in a moral way. Without knowledge of intent, there's no way to hold him accountable by the law or by the program. I don't think I would blame Alabama for cutting him just on the way it looks. But at the same time, I don’t necessarily think it would be fair to the kid. Tough situation.
 
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Can't find where I read it but didn't Miller use his car to block in the victim's car so they couldn't leave?
 
I heard that happened and that it didn't happen. Who knows what the truth is, but it stinks. But bringing a loaded gun to someone in a late night crowded situation? WTF
 
Can't find where I read it but didn't Miller use his car to block in the victim's car so they couldn't leave?
Surveillance showed that Miller was parked in a parking space and the jeep carrying the victim later pulled up behind him and soon after that shots were exchanged between Miles and someone from that jeep. The idea that Miller blocked the jeep was just rumors according to actual video evidence.
 
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One thing I will say is that opinions are heavily influenced by reporting. And we all know that the media cares more about breaking news and getting clicks than about waiting to report facts. There is a huge discrepancy between what is being reported by news and sports outlets and what is being alleged by Miller's statements and his attorney's PR. For click bait, headlines read, "Miller provided", "Miller delivered" or "Alabama basketball star supplied" the gun used in a homicide. This is where I form my opinion based on the fact that LE has listed Miller as a cooperating witness and not as a suspect in a crime. And not based on what is being reported in the media.
 
Fair enough, but I just read an article calling for Alabama to suspend its season. This is a ****storm and isn't going away.
 
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This a challenging situation. The only victims in this crime are Jamea Harris, her family/friends, and her 5-year-old son, who will now live without his mother. Nate Oats made some tone-deaf comments; Miller shouldn't be playing until all the facts are out. If I were the AD of Alabama, there is zero chance I am allowing him on the court until I had all of the information and he was completely cleared. Even then, the optics of this are terrible. Maybe it would be best if he left the team and prepared for his future in the NBA. Let's not pretend he would be on the team if he isn't a high-profile draft pick; if he is some walk-on or bench player, he would've already been kicked off the team.

The people on sports shows applauding his resolve and play last night sickens me. He pumps his chest out, and people behave like he is a victim. Or it was a wrong place, wrong time situation. No, if he doesn't take the gun to Davis, Harris is alive, and that little boy still has a mother. Do I think he is legally in the wrong? I don't know, that's for the courts to decide. I believe he shouldn't be on the team right now. I don't care how good of a player he is. I don't give two ****s about basketball when lives are in the balance. Alabama should grow a pair and sit this young man.
 
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This a challenging situation. The only victims in this crime are Jamea Harris, her family/friends, and her 5-year-old son, who will now live without his mother. Nate Oats made some tone-deaf comments; Miller shouldn't be playing until all the facts are out. If I were the AD of Alabama, there is zero chance I am allowing him on the court until I had all of the information and he was completely cleared. Even then, the optics of this are terrible. Maybe it would be best if he left the team and prepared for his future in the NBA. Let's not pretend he would be on the team if he isn't a high-profile draft pick; if he is some walk-on or bench player, he would've already been kicked off the team.

The people on sports shows applauding his resolve and play last night sickens me. He pumps his chest out, and people behave like he is a victim. Or it was a wrong place, wrong time situation. No, if he doesn't take the gun to Davis, Harris is alive, and that little boy still has a mother. Do I think he is legally in the wrong? I don't know, that's for the courts to decide. I believe he shouldn't be on the team right now. I don't care how good of a player he is. I don't give two ****s about basketball when lives are in the balance. Alabama should grow a pair and sit this young man.
This is how challenging and complex this situation is. I can read your post and agree with you wholeheartedly and at the same time strongly disagree.

It absolutely sucks that a woman lost her life. And in such a senseless way. She is the only victim of deadly violence in this situation. But that doesn't mean that Miller is unable to be a victim of wrongful accusations that could destroy his reputation and potentially his future.

I am not proclaiming his innocence, I am only going by what I belive based on what information that I find trustworthy. It is very fluid until all facts are presented.

As far as the optics, you are very right. That's why I wouldn't blame Alabama for dropping him. But I also don't think it would be fair for Miller, especially if he is fully innocent. But you're right, it is just basketball, ethically he and Alamba could easily just part ways and he can prepare for his future in the NBA. At the same time I wouldn't blame Alabama for dropping him, I don’t blame Miller for wanting to continue his experience and do what he came to campus to do. He may very well be a POS. I don't know. But he may also be a 19/20 year old kid who (dare I say) got tangled up in the wrong place, with the wrong people at the wrong time. Tone deaf? Perhaps. But I think we are easily forgetting how some poor decisions are unrecognizable at that age. I would like to believe that he would have stayed home if he had any idea that the people he was with were capable of putting him in that situation. Maybe not.
 
I hope he leaves and makes his millions ( and I mean like just leave the college).
You wouldn’t hear about this at all , or be making any noise about it if he wasn’t an athlete attending college period !
 
Something that is getting lost in this discussion is the fact that his friends are charged with capitol murder. Whether he knew his friends were going to use the weapon or not is immaterial. If it was average guy Joe Blow and not Brandon Miller star basketball player, he would've been charged with being an accessory or an accomplice. He brought a loaded firearm to the scene of an intentional homicide. Being an ignorant kid or being naive (which I doubt) doesn't legally absolve him of that responsibility in this murder.

If they'd been charged with manslaughter or some lesser charge, I could see not charging him as long as he cooperated truthfully. But providing the weapon and being on scene of an intentional homicide is accessory to capitol murder, at minimum. Unless you're a star athlete for the Crimson Tide, of course.
 
Something that is getting lost in this discussion is the fact that his friends are charged with capitol murder. Whether he knew his friends were going to use the weapon or not is immaterial. If it was average guy Joe Blow and not Brandon Miller star basketball player, he would've been charged with being an accessory or an accomplice. He brought a loaded firearm to the scene of an intentional homicide. Being an ignorant kid or being naive (which I doubt) doesn't legally absolve him of that responsibility in this murder.

If they'd been charged with manslaughter or some lesser charge, I could see not charging him as long as he cooperated truthfully. But providing the weapon and being on scene of an intentional homicide is accessory to capitol murder, at minimum. Unless you're a star athlete for the Crimson Tide, of course.
Honest question. Are you familiar with the facts of the case? I can assure you that him being a freshman basketball player givess him no more immunity than if he were a freshman science major. Especially at Alabama.
 
Something that is getting lost in this discussion is the fact that his friends are charged with capitol murder. Whether he knew his friends were going to use the weapon or not is immaterial. If it was average guy Joe Blow and not Brandon Miller star basketball player, he would've been charged with being an accessory or an accomplice. He brought a loaded firearm to the scene of an intentional homicide. Being an ignorant kid or being naive (which I doubt) doesn't legally absolve him of that responsibility in this murder.

If they'd been charged with manslaughter or some lesser charge, I could see not charging him as long as he cooperated truthfully. But providing the weapon and being on scene of an intentional homicide is accessory to capitol murder, at minimum. Unless you're a star athlete for the Crimson Tide, of course.
While I agree that the optics are different when you are talking about an intentional murder versus manslaughter, the analysis is the same no matter what the crime and again the prosecutor would have to show that Miller intended to and took steps to aid in the commission of the murder. The intent requirement means the prosecutor would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Miller had known and meant for what he was doing to be a help Miles kill his victims. As I understand the facts, there is no evidence of that. It is not clear that Miller even knew Miles' gun was in the car until Miles texted him, at which point he was heading back to pick Miles up anyway and given Alabama's gun laws, Miles legally owned that gun and there was no crime in Miller simply giving it to him, again unless he did so specifically to help Miles facilitate the crime.
 
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Honest question. Are you familiar with the facts of the case? I can assure you that him being a freshman basketball player givess him no more immunity than if he were a freshman science major. Especially at Alabama.
The only facts I know are 1) Brandon Miller brought a loaded firearm that was used in a homicide. 2) Brandon Miller was at the scene when the homicide took place. 3) His friends, who he provided the firearm to, are charged with Capital Murder. Anyone escaping a charge in that scenario is protected. It doesn't happen to everyday people.

Your comment about him not getting special treatment over a regular student is either incredibly naive or agenda driven, so it's not even worth debating.

If you doubt how far Bama will go to protect their stars, look up Cam Robinson. Had 2 felonies hanging over his head, including in possession of a stolen (stolen in a home invasion robbery nonetheless) firearm. Never missed a practice, let alone a game.
 
It is not a fact that he provided the gun. That is blatantly false and has been wrongfully perpetrated by irresponsible reporting and uneducated blabber through the interwbs. What is naive is thinking that a freshman basketball "star" would be celebrity enough to get special treatment in a murder case. Lol
 
While I agree that the optics are different when you are talking about an intentional murder versus manslaughter, the analysis is the same no matter what the crime and again the prosecutor would have to show that Miller intended to and took steps to aid in the commission of the murder. The intent requirement means the prosecutor would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Miller had known and meant for what he was doing to be a help Miles kill his victims. As I understand the facts, there is no evidence of that. It is not clear that Miller even knew Miles' gun was in the car until Miles texted him, at which point he was heading back to pick Miles up anyway and given Alabama's gun laws, Miles legally owned that gun and there was no crime in Miller simply giving it to him, again unless he did so specifically to help Miles facilitate the crime.
This is absolutely false and optics has zero to do with this. "I didn't know" isn't a defense anywhere. If it was, no one would ever be charged with anything. Alec Baldwin didn't know the gun was loaded, yet he's been charged in New Mexico. The set crew member didn't know the gun was loaded and provided it to him and had no clue he would point it at someone and pull the trigger, yet she's been charged as well.

The facts are the facts as far as him providing a weapon (no matter who owned it) to someone that used it to commit capital murder.
 
Okay. So you leave your wallet in the backs seat of my car without me realizing it. You text me later and ask me to bring me your wallet. You have money in your wallet that you use to buy a gun that you use to murder someone. Did I provide you with the money to buy that gun?
 
It is not a fact that he provided the gun. That is blatantly false and has been wrongfully perpetrated by irresponsible reporting and uneducated blabber through the interwbs. What is naive is thinking that a freshman basketball "star" would be celebrity enough to get special treatment in a murder case. Lol
It is a fact and the released text messages make it so. Dense and naive is no way to go thru life, son.
 
It is a fact and the released text messages make it so. Dense and naive is no way to go thru life, son.
This is a lesson for yourself. And I am not your son, nor am I inferior to you. I haven't shown you any disrespect, so there's no need for you to get high and mighty.

Please provide facts that support the idea that he provided the gun, or that he is anything other than a witness or that he is getting special treatment because of his celebrity status as a 19 year old freshman basketball player at a football school.
 
The only facts I know are 1) Brandon Miller brought a loaded firearm that was used in a homicide. 2) Brandon Miller was at the scene when the homicide took place. 3) His friends, who he provided the firearm to, are charged with Capital Murder. Anyone escaping a charge in that scenario is protected. It doesn't happen to everyday people.

Your comment about him not getting special treatment over a regular student is either incredibly naive or agenda driven, so it's not even worth debating.

If you doubt how far Bama will go to protect their stars, look up Cam Robinson. Had 2 felonies hanging over his head, including in possession of a stolen (stolen in a home invasion robbery nonetheless) firearm. Never missed a practice, let alone a game.
Well Robinson was a football player so it might be different. Honestly it would not surprise ne if the school also tried to keep their star bballers out of jail.
It is a fact and the released text messages make it so. Dense and naive is no way to go thru life, son.
There is some nuance to the issue of bringing the gun. Miles had hidden the gun under some clothes when he got out of the car. Miller was already returning to the night club when Miles texted him and as the gun was already in the car, it is true that Miller brought it to Miles. The way you describe it though it sounds more like Miller went to fetch the gun and then made a deliberate trip for the sole purpose of giving Miles the gun. Those are teo very different fact patterns though.
 
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