How many of these tragic incidents could have been prevented had the accused listened to the LEO? What 80, 90%, or perhaps maybe almost all of them? In no way am I saying the cops are right.

If I get pulled over for say, a speeding ticket, and I argue, don't listen to them... what's the odds I wind up finding myself in cuffs? I'm not going to win right there.

It would be great if we can add "reached College World Series" next week!

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You keep trying to make my point for me. We are not talking about the proceeding trials and how long after the events. We are talking about people being shot by police. You want to use my one, single example and say, ah ha!!! That cop was prosecuted only 9 months later because the kid he killed was white. As if there aren't examples of white people who didn't get timely justice or black people who did get timely justice.

Try to stay focused. I get to decide what point I am making, you don’t. The point is, white people get shot by police in the same manner as black people do, all of the time. It is a rare occasion that race has a role in it. You just want to continue treating black people as if they are victims of a crule and racist system. As if their encounters with LEO are unique.

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You don't get to decide what points you inadvertently and accidentally make.
If news of white people being shot by police never gets as much attention, my guess is that it's because there are less often external circumstances to consider and there is greater confidence that they will receive justice in court.
Y'all never hesitate to ask if a Black person in a great job was a DEI hire; why is it unreasonable for Black people to wonder if race was a factor in yet another LEO-related shooting death?

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So you never used words to say that it was an example of racism. What you did was use actions. You responded to KD's challenging of the notion that it was an example of racism by asking him if he had seen the video, as if the video was the evidence he was asking for. Tell me why I wasn't supposed to come ro the conclusion that you agreed with bull city that this was an example of racism and I'll consider giving you an apology. But I am not reading your book.

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My mention of the video had to do with the visuals of what happened. It had nothing to do with race. I did not address what he said about race in that post at all, and later, I said this:

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I saw no evidence that the officer shot Ms Massey due to her race.

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Since then, I have done nothing but present the case for why Black people might be inclined to suspect racism, and you can't even be respectful of that.

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Wait, what? Where did I ever say this case was an example of racism or that race was a factor?

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So you never used words to say that it was an example of racism. What you did was use actions. You responded to KD's challenging of the notion that it was an example of racism by asking him if he had seen the video, as if the video was the evidence he was asking for. Tell me why I wasn't supposed to come ro the conclusion that you agreed with bull city that this was an example of racism and I'll consider giving you an apology. But I am not reading your book.

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Say his name: Hunter Brittain.
Your intended point was that no one had heard of him because he was white? Yeah, got it. Does @KDSTONE get it now, too?
Your unintended point is that he got justice and got it quickly, which is starkly different from the experience of many Black victims. If that were the norm, they wouldn't suspect racism was involved quite so often. If that were the norm, they'd trust the system and be more patient with the time it takes to run its course.
I do not think only Black LEO should respond to Black crimes, emergencies, or civil issues. Those who do demonstrate a misunderstanding of institutional racism, too.

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You keep trying to make my point for me. We are not talking about the proceeding trials and how long after the events. We are talking about people being shot by police. You want to use my one, single example and say, ah ha!!! That cop was prosecuted only 9 months later because the kid he killed was white. As if there aren't examples of white people who didn't get timely justice or black people who did get timely justice.

Try to stay focused. I get to decide what point I am making, you don’t. The point is, white people get shot by police in the same manner as black people do, all of the time. It is a rare occasion that race has a role in it. You just want to continue treating black people as if they are victims of a crule and racist system. As if their encounters with LEO are unique.

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Lots of credit to ALL of our student-athletes, head coaches and their staffs, and AD Dr. Nina King. This is an incredible accomplishment!!

OFC

Dattier said:

Wait, what? Where did I ever say this case was an example of racism or that race was a factor?

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It's okay if you're too insecure to apologize, @GhostOf301 . I forgive you anyway.

Do any of y'all remember the OJ Simpson murder trial? I was fresh out of undergrad and thought I knew everything, kinda like @Dahntay#1 is now. I remember being really surprised that so many Black people really thought he didn't do it. It was a really eye-opening example for me of how different people's perceptions can be based on their experience along racial lines. And since I'm not an arrogant conservative windbag who thinks my own experience is all it takes to understand what's best for everybody, it became an occasion for humble growth and empathy. I had encountered rude individual LEO by that time in my life, but I'd never felt personally railroaded by the justice system as a whole. Still haven't. That has not been everyone's experience, and my immense capacity for humility, empathy, and intellect helped me see that.
Now, there remains absolutely no doubt in my mind that OJ murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. Fortunately, since I'm not an arrogant conservative windbag who thinks my own experience should be leveraged into judging everyone else as inferior, I recognize that it' wasn't a case of so many Black people being stupid, but that so many Black people really distrusted the justice system that much. And because I'm not an arrogant conservative windbag, I don't call them brainwashed or indoctrinated by the media or liberal politicians and figureheads. I respect their thinking as a product of their experience.

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* OJ was rich and could afford very successful defense lawyers who did their job well. Wealth frequently overcomes whatever lack of privilege in other areas someone might have stacked against them.
* Were people wrong in their belief that OJ was framed because he was Black? I absolutely think so. Does that negate their suspicion? Not in the least. Every time you open your door cautiously when someone knocks, gun or big dog at your side, finding it to be someone of benign intent does not invalidate your initial wariness.
* In retrospect, the prosecution screwed up big time and OJ's defense team was brilliant, and the jury's not guilty verdict was well warranted on those grounds.

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You really are out of it today @Dattier .you think making that comment AFTER agreeing that this case was an example of racism and AFTER being pressed to provide evidence to YOUR claim that race was a factor, gets you out of being a race baiter?

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Wait, what? Where did I ever say this case was an example of racism or that race was a factor?

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Still ignoring the entire point so you can harp on how long it takes for convictions. You support victimhood and refuse to accept that anything involving white vs black isn't automatically due to race. Overwhelmingly, it is due to circumstances that can't be controlled. Are you one of those who thinks only black LEO should respond to black crimes, emergencies or civil issues?

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Say his name: Hunter Brittain.
Your intended point was that no one had heard of him because he was white? Yeah, got it. Does @KDSTONE get it now, too?
Your unintended point is that he got justice and got it quickly, which is starkly different from the experience of many Black victims. If that were the norm, they wouldn't suspect racism was involved quite so often. If that were the norm, they'd trust the system and be more patient with the time it takes to run its course.
I do not think only Black LEO should respond to Black crimes, emergencies, or civil issues. Those who do demonstrate a misunderstanding of institutional racism, too.

You really are out of it today @Dattier .you think making that comment AFTER agreeing that this case was an example of racism and AFTER being pressed to provide evidence to YOUR claim that race was a factor, gets you out of being a race baiter?

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You didn’t use it properly. That was my point. Are you sure you’re okay today?

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I didn't? Doesn't it mean an upstanding, decent person?

GhostOf301 said:

You support victimhood and refuse to accept that anything involving white vs black isn't automatically due to race.

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I saw no evidence that the officer shot Ms Massey due to her race.

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Don't bring me into this @Dattier. I know you're getting your ass handed to you lately. I'm minding my own business, just sitting over here eating popcorn and drinking a cola, with a smile on my face.

School is out, maybe shut the interweb down for a while and reboot yourself.

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I know! I looked it up first to male sure I was using it properly. Weird how you would assume the worst. Paranoid much?

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You didn’t use it properly. That was my point. Are you sure you’re okay today?

KDSTONE said:

Speaking of embarrassing, mensch is not synonymous with boy, not even close If it’s used as a slur, I’m not aware of it, but maybe you’ve heard it used that way at one of your pro- Pali meetings. Odd comments all around from you. You’ve even got your biggest supporter here calling you a bitch. Like I said, maybe you need some fresh air.

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I know! I looked it up first to male sure I was using it properly. Weird how you would assume the worst. Paranoid much?

Dahntay#1 said:

White person slights black person = THIS IS RACISM AND IT MUST BE STOPPED AT THIS VERY MOMENT!!!

It’s absolutely absurd and people like you perpetuate it.

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I saw no evidence that the officer shot Ms Massey due to her race.

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George Floyd didn't get anything but murdered. Derek Chauvin got himself locked up, and I guess you could say he was more directly related to billions in damages, dozens of deaths, and many more businesses and jobs lost, but personally, I believe in holding those people who did all of that responsible. Personal responsibility and all that, doncha kno.

Ohhhhh! So in using the example of Hunter Brittain you inadvertently demonstrated how well the system works for white people. Gotcha.

In case you're keeping score, George Floyd's death on camera took almost 11 months for a conviction that conservatives are still protesting today while mocking Floyd's death. Hunter Brittain's killer was convicted in under 9 months without any video evidence.

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Still ignoring the entire point so you can harp on how long it takes for convictions. You support victimhood and refuse to accept that anything involving white vs black isn't automatically due to race. Overwhelmingly, it is due to circumstances that can't be controlled. Are you one of those who thinks only black LEO should respond to black crimes, emergencies or civil issues?

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Are you sure you actually looked it up? Seriously, @GhostOf301 , save your boy from further embarrassment. Oops, I mean mensch; save your mensch from further embarrassment.
You still haven't answered my question, even though I put it in italics and larger font the second time I asked: "How is [claiming that another defendant is denied his constitutional right to a fair trial] any different from a grieving Black family thinking "another Black person killed unjustly by police who are gonna get away with it"?

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Speaking of embarrassing, mensch is not synonymous with boy, not even close If it’s used as a slur, I’m not aware of it, but maybe you’ve heard it used that way at one of your pro- Pali meetings. Odd comments all around from you. You’ve even got your biggest supporter here calling you a bitch. Like I said, maybe you need some fresh air.

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Sure, if you believe the government and don't do your own research.
Am I doing it right, @Mac9192 ? @Dahntay#1

KDSTONE said:

So because the victim was Black and the cop was white it’s automatically racism. Why wasn’t the cop charged with hate crimes then?

You still haven’t answered my question. I get the hiring part, we’ve covered that. What did Crump actually do for this family?

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Are you sure you actually looked it up? Seriously, @GhostOf301 , save your boy from further embarrassment. Oops, I mean mensch; save your mensch from further embarrassment.
You still haven't answered my question, even though I put it in italics and larger font the second time I asked: "How is [claiming that another defendant is denied his constitutional right to a fair trial] any different from a grieving Black family thinking "another Black person killed unjustly by police who are gonna get away with it"?

GhostOf301 said:

You realize that you keep using George Floyd as an example and he got 4 officers locked up on top of billions in damages, dozens of deaths and many more businesses and jobs lost, right? You think you got me on this one? It absolutely was not an effort to demonstrate how the system is working for a white guy. It was an example of how it's not just black people who are unjustly killed by the police. You're not on your game today.

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George Floyd didn't get anything but murdered. Derek Chauvin got himself locked up, and I guess you could say he was more directly related to billions in damages, dozens of deaths, and many more businesses and jobs lost, but personally, I believe in holding those people who did all of that responsible. Personal responsibility and all that, doncha kno.

Ohhhhh! So in using the example of Hunter Brittain you inadvertently demonstrated how well the system works for white people. Gotcha.

In case you're keeping score, George Floyd's death on camera took almost 11 months for a conviction that conservatives are still protesting today while mocking Floyd's death. Hunter Brittain's killer was convicted in under 9 months without any video evidence.

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Yeah, nobody has to worry about it because he got justice before 9 months were up. If his murder was a pregnancy, it was still abortable in Greenland and his killer was already convicted.

Gosh, it's almost as if hiring a prominent civil rights attorney makes sense.

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So because the victim was Black and the cop was white it’s automatically racism. Why wasn’t the cop charged with hate crimes then?

You still haven’t answered my question. I get the hiring part, we’ve covered that. What did Crump actually do for this family?