Dattier said:

Is direct contact with Hamas illegal?
Yes. I still think this is a free speech issue. That was almost certainly why Columbia didn't move as quickly with the level of rage you wanted. As I stated, free speech becomes illegal at some point. Determining that should not be done in the court of public opinion.

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Mac9192 said:

Nothing wrong with what I said, because it's true. You tell us "you really didn't see what you think you saw."

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Dattier said:

Oh! Oh! Is that library occupation and chanting what you're saying Columbia allowed? Gotcha.

If they "allowed" them to occupy a building, it wasn't illegal. Period. That's how law works. If I allow someone on my property, it's not trespassing. If I willingly shake someone's hand, it's not assault.
Chants -- including distasteful chants -- are protected by the Constitution. Assault and harassment are crimes and shame on them if they "allowed" that.

Chances are, Columbia didn't "allow" them or approve of them chanting specific things, they just didn't exact any consequences against them. Free speech is a tricky thing, which is why there have been countless cases before SCOTUS in the last 200+ years. It's complicated, and that's a good thing because it prevents such things from being decided based on the kneejerk emotional reactions of our President and his loyal herd. There's a point where it constitutes a threat and is illegal, but that's not your call, my call, or our President's call.

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Dattier said:

No, you don't. You couldn't even finish that sentence without revealing that: "...even though he doesn't give us the same."

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KDSTONE said:

Evidence is mounting that Khalil Mahmoud (sp?) has had direct contact with Hamas, as have many other protest organizers around the country.
Still think this is a free speech issue? Freedom of speech is granted green card or visa holders, not criminal activity. See ya bye Khalil

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Mac9192 said:

I'm trying real hard to give @Dattier the benefit of the doubt...

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Dattier said:

That's so far from anything I said I don't even get what you're trying to connect it to.

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Mac9192 said:

I'm trying real hard to give @Dattier the benefit of the doubt, even though he doesn't give us the same. He doesn't watch what we watch, so it's like he believes these are just your typical "sit-in" protests?

He really has no clue. These type protests need to be squashed, and an example made of them to deter any future ones from happening.

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KDSTONE said:

He kids himself that these are your 60s style anti war protests.
Either he hasn’t seen any actual footage or he is playing his role to be for whatever it is we’re against. He relishes the role of Devil’s advocate and it makes for healthy debate, but sometimes you just have to take the L.

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Dattier said:

Hahaha!
"So you're saying" is how conservatives alert you to the fact they're about to deliberately misconstrue your words, dumbing them down so it's easier for them to debate.
That's so far from anything I said I don't even get what you're trying to connect it to.

The Left thought Musk was wonderful when they thought he was also on the Left and then stopped liking him when he moved to the Right? Really? Did the Pistons like Dennis Rodman better when he was on the Pistons than when he was on the Bulls, too?

The Tesla hate is purely about Musk, not our President. If it was about our President, someone would be vandalizing the factory where they make little tiny gloves.

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The_Only_Blue said:

Any chance he leaves Clemson? He didn't say no so is he leaving that door open?

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Mac9192 said:

I'm trying real hard to give @Dattier the benefit of the doubt, even though he doesn't give us the same. He doesn't watch what we watch, so it's like he believes these are just your typical "sit-in" protests?

These type protests need to be squashed, and an example made of them to deter any future ones from happening.

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Dattier said:

Hahaha!
"So you're saying" is how conservatives alert you to the fact they're about to deliberately misconstrue your words, dumbing them down so it's easier for them to debate.
That's so far from anything I said I don't even get what you're trying to connect it to.

The Left thought Musk was wonderful when they thought he was also on the Left and then stopped liking him when he moved to the Right? Really? Did the Pistons like Dennis Rodman better when he was on the Pistons than when he was on the Bulls, too?

The Tesla hate is purely about Musk, not our President. If it was about our President, someone would be vandalizing the factory where they make little tiny gloves.

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Dattier said:

If y'all wanna fight I could take the stance that violence from the Left is for the sake of advancing rights while violence from the Right is for the sake of oppressing rights, but my heart probably wouldn't be too into it.

I'll see if I can crank-up the Leftist Bat Signal and get a bunch of us to denounce violence from the Left so y'all don't claim that you know that we know we know our silence makes us complicit.

Of the examples you mentioned in that first paragraph, I denounce them all except the "illegal takeover of campus buildings." That's just a pearl-clutching, manipulative way of saying "sit-in." Yes, it amounts to an illegal act if they refuse to disperse, and that's the point. Conscientious objection has always used passive resistance as a tactic. I suppose you would accuse Claudette Colvin of "illegal takeover of the front seat"?

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GhostOf301 said:

Wow. Violence from the left is good. Violence from the right is bad. That's a great stance. No wonder you loons defend hamas.

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GhostOf301 said:

Wow. Violence from the left is good. Violence from the right is bad. That's a great stance. No wonder you loons defend hamas.

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KDSTONE said:

So you’re saying that Columbia would have allowed pro life protestors to disrupt campus life, harass and assault students, barricade students in the library, and chant for genocide against all nonbelievers in the name of free speech? Doubtful.
As for Tesla this is driven purely by hatred of Trump and by extension Musk. The Left thought Musk was wonderful until he fixed Twitter and aligned himself with Trump.

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GhostOf301 said:

Wow. Violence from the left is good. Violence from the right is bad. That's a great stance. No wonder you loons defend hamas.

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