The only thing I'm concerned about is Cooper reacting to some bad calls, or some chippy play by a guy 6 years older than he is, and losing his cool. He is pretty tightly wound and he hasn't seen pressure like this before. He's always been on the far superior team in high school.

If that happens, it will be a good learning experience for him, but I'm hopeful that he gets over his initial tightness very quickly and leads us to a win.

Dattier said:

The implication of them rising under President Trump during his first term is that they are due to emboldened white nationalists and the like.

My prediction, though, is that you will dismiss it entirely, which makes this a pretty pointless discussion.

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Datt, you're proving nothing even close to what we're talking about. Not to mention, I give you examples that are clear and directed specifically at Trump from celebrity lefties. You just want everyone to assume that not only are the fbi statistics correct, but that they are all from the right, directed at the left. I can give you so many more examples from thos past week. But hey, why bother.

@christophero you watching live?

Also. Those were isolated incidents in the sense that they were individual events. But they represent a trend. How are those isolated incidents, but vague data from the fbi isn't a series of isolated incidents?

GhostOf301 said:

So we are to assume that every so called hate crime is from the right and is legitimate. Got you. Just dumb.

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The implication of them rising under President Trump during his first term is that they are due to emboldened white nationalists and the like.

"Since Trump’s [2016] election there has been an anomalous spike in hate crimes concentrated in counties where Trump won by larger margins."


My prediction, though, is that you will dismiss it entirely, which makes this a pretty pointless discussion.

kingbluedevil said:

If Duke beats Wake to go 3-0 against the in state schools it has to help recruiting especially on the defensive side. Our guys are going after the ball on every tackle

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Didn’t we lose a wide receiver to State? Think I heard they were flipping him to a db

So we are to assume that every so called hate crime is from the right and is legitimate. Got you. Just dumb.

If Duke beats Wake to go 3-0 against the in state schools it has to help recruiting especially on the defensive side. Our guys are going after the ball on every tackle

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AlanInNJ said:

I think tonight we be a bit of a reality check for us, but I believe we will play well and pull away with a win after a sluggish start. I am most curious how our frontcourt will perform against bigger, stronger, competition than they have faced so far. Someone other than Cooper or Kon will shine tonight.

Duke 85
KU 70

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I think Duke wins by 10 or more. I'm more concerned about our experienced guards being consistent and hitting open looks. I think our transfers play well tonight.

GhostOf301 said:

Lol. Weak. How does this show that it is the right? So stupid. You don't want to go down this path because you don't have a leg to stand on.

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Dattier said:

If you're the judge of whether they count or not, yeah, I'd agree that it's doubtful. But then I get to go back and evaluate your examples and dismiss each of them, too, and we get back into the weeds again.

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Just as I predicted.

You bring a handful of isolated incidents as your proof. I bring hard stats from the FBI. The reason I don't care to go down this path is because there's really no changing our perceptions. When you acknowledged it as your opinion, I left it alone. But you're doubting I could possibly have a legitimate, sincere difference of opinion?

Edit: point of clarification... when I said I could name "many more," I didn't mean I could name more right-wing examples than you could name left-wing examples (neither of us could possibly name them all, so it would just be an exercise in attrition); I meant I could name more than you would accept. Like, I imagine you would accept that defeated Superintendent of Public Instruction candidate Michele Morrow calling for the pay-per-view executions of Gov Cooper, Pres Obama, and Pres Biden would qualify as an example. I suspect there are others I could name that you would not accept.

And how many of the countless hoaxes during that time were part of those numbers?

Dattier said:

Hate crimes rose by 20% during his first term, according to the FBI, led by his appointee.
I really, really don't wanna continue down this route. You said it was your opinion before and I left it alone.

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Lol. Weak. How does this show that it is the right? So stupid. You don't want to go down this path because you don't have a leg to stand on.

Login to view embedded media This is the evil stuff the right has been saying goes on. Whether it’s the media, our leaders, or FEMA in this video, this is widespread, and is part of the Democrats DNA.

If this was the party I supported, I’d be embarrassed, and would abandon their asses.

GhostOf301 said:

Well I gave you examples that you ignored. What are some examples that even come close to begin as vile and nasty as those?

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Hate crimes rose by 20% during his first term, according to the FBI, led by his appointee.
I really, really don't wanna continue down this route. You said it was your opinion before and I left it alone.

Should be a fun one. I think we will be ready. Duke by 9.

Dattier said:

It's all about different issues on the left, but issues all the same. But you won, we lost. The issues you find more important will be prioritized. The left can dig their heels in and be ignored, or we can participate and hopefully be included.

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Fair enough. A lot will depend on the media, and how they broadcast it. I won't hold my breath that they'll be honest though. If Trump messes up, I want to know. But this twisting of words to intentionally make him look bad has to stop.

Dattier said:

If you're the judge of whether they count or not, yeah, I'd agree that it's doubtful. But then I get to go back and evaluate your examples and dismiss each of them, too, and we get back into the weeds again.

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Well I gave you examples that you ignored. What are some examples that even come close to begin as vile and nasty as those?

I think tonight we be a bit of a reality check for us, but I believe we will play well and pull away with a win after a sluggish start. I am most curious how our frontcourt will perform against bigger, stronger, competition than they have faced so far. Someone other than Cooper or Kon will shine tonight.

Duke 85
KU 70

GhostOf301 said:

Trump's new national security advisor. Someone who actually talks about the massive waste from the Pentagon. Maybe they'll actually do something about it unlike his last term.

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That has potential for bipartisan support.

Mac9192 said:

Yeah, the right makes fun of the left. We shouldn't. But to us, it's all about the issues. In my opinion, which I think is shared by most on the right, is the left does nothing on issues that we feel are important: the economy, border...

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It's all about different issues on the left, but issues all the same. But you won, we lost. The issues you find more important will be prioritized. The left can dig their heels in and be ignored, or we can participate and hopefully be included.

dukesince91 said:

Students should learn about communism, but shouldn’t be indoctrinated with patriotic propaganda. That sounds about right coming from a far leftist. You liberals just don’t seem to like America like us conservatives. I also don’t give a rat’s ass about who started tenure. We shouldn’t have it, but of course you’re going to politicize it as being the Republicans fault.

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Conservatives' fault, not necessarily Republicans'. Democratic President Truman deserves some blame, as well.
Should communism be defined for us in an academic setting or a political setting?

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Extremely doubtful.

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If you're the judge of whether they count or not, yeah, I'd agree that it's doubtful. But then I get to go back and evaluate your examples and dismiss each of them, too, and we get back into the weeds again.

Us in a close one. They are improved.

Our upper classmen need to play well tonight since It'll be our freshman first big game. Our defense keeps us in the game until our offense comes around. As long as Coop doesn't have cramps, we pull away.

LFG, Duke defense wins this game. 88-78 Duke. Just find a way to get the W. I think Foster has a breakout game tonight.