BOOGIEMAN1914 said:

Tamir Rice was in a park playing with pellet gun...the reports were he was pointing at people...after sitting on a bench for more than 3 minutes, a squad car pulls right up to him on the bench and the officer opens his door and immediately began shooting him to death

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Mac9192 said:

Honestly, I'm not remembering every instance you cited. From what I just looked up on reliable Google about the Rice kid, it definitely was a tragic situation. The summary reads like the cop royally messed up, and just based off google, he should have been charged. The fact he didn't though tells me there might be more to it. One thing I've learned over the years is when the media is reporting something, don't automatically assume the info they're sharing is all that's needed.

I do however remember Michael Brown being shot and killed. You shouldn't have even brought him into making your point. You have none with him. Is it tragic he died? Yes. Did he cause the situation? Yes.

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Dattier said:

Redlining, Nixon's War on Drugs, then Reagan's prison industrial complex, then Clinton's (and Biden's) crime bill...

All of which is to say we both acknowledge how things beyond the individual have harmed the individual and can't be solved by the individual. Some overcome, but the problem persists.

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Dattier said:

I find it perplexing how many people readily accept the innocence of Daniel Pantaleo, Darren Wilson, Timothy Loemann, Sean Williams, Jeronimo Yanez, and more without question, citing legal decisions, yet when it comes to Derek Chauvin and Amber Guyger, the court system was fixed against them.

I mean, Tamir Rice was a 12-year-old playing with an airsoft gun. Doesn't get any more sympathetic than that, but no conviction there. Not even charges.

There was rioting in Ferguson and Minneapolis after Michael Brown's killer and Philando Castille's killer went free. There is not some grand conspiracy to convict innocent police officers to prevent civil unrest and rioting.

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KDSTONE said:

I was referring to discussions in the media and Dem party, not individual Dems in their personal lives. You’re pretending that it’s a mystery why the ooc birth rate is so high when we all know the rate exploded in the 60s when the Great Society sidelined Black men’s’ financial contributions to the family. Women were ineligible for cash payments if the father lived in the home with the kids so he was encouraged to move out. He then was more likely to father children from other women, setting the dependency cycle in motion once more. A welfare recipient was encouraged to have more and more kids as there was no cap on payments as there is today. So these are some of the main decisions that have influenced choices, to answer your questions.

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Dattier said:

Come on. ONLY problem ever discussed?

I just had a student tell me he was ready to be a father. I told him no he wasn't and discouraged him. That's a one-on-one, personal discussion, where personal responsibility should definitely be included. When we're seeing an epidemic of teen pregnancies, oow births, high crime rates, it's not enough to say it's a bunch of individuals coincidentally failing to take personal responsibility in the same way en masse. If we're serious about fixing these things, we have to look at underlying causes. I think it sounds tough to tell people to take personal responsibility, but it's really a cop-out from people who have no clue what kind of responsibility a given person has taken and doesn't want to have to participate in any way beyond giving that dismissive advice. And saying it's "culture" is just copping out one step further. How did that culture come to be? What values exist? What conditions influence choices? Subcultures exist within a bigger cultural and societal context.

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Dattier said:

Come on. ONLY problem ever discussed?

I just had a student tell me he was ready to be a father. I told him no he wasn't and discouraged him. That's a one-on-one, personal discussion, where personal responsibility should definitely be included. When we're seeing an epidemic of teen pregnancies, oow births, high crime rates, it's not enough to say it's a bunch of individuals coincidentally failing to take personal responsibility in the same way en masse. If we're serious about fixing these things, we have to look at underlying causes. I think it sounds tough to tell people to take personal responsibility, but it's really a cop-out from people who have no clue what kind of responsibility a given person has taken and doesn't want to have to participate in any way beyond giving that dismissive advice. And saying it's "culture" is just copping out one step further. How did that culture come to be? What values exist? What conditions influence choices? Subcultures exist within a bigger cultural and societal context.

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KDSTONE said:

Problem with that is, white racism is the only problem ever discussed amongst Dems. White liberals are uncomfortable discussing out of wedlock birth rates, high crime rates, etc. Bill Cosby was vilified for bringing up high oow birth rates.
Granted, not the best spokesman in retrospect, but his reasoning seemed sound at the time ha ha

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KDSTONE said:

Yet the msm is flawed to the point where you’ve repeatedly denied being a consumer of it, so I assume you have your reasons. When convenient, however, you come to its defense as you recognize that the Dem Party would be sunk if not for a cheerleader msm spreading hoaxes and lies to further its agenda.

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Dattier said:

You're not a mind-reader.
I very clearly stated agreement w/ @GhostOf301 that solving problems in your life begins at home.
You're essentially making things up about me that directly contradict things I've said.

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Mac9192 said:

I may be wrong, but I remember hearing something about the real findings of the autopsy not being released. There's no way the people could really know the truth. He was guilty, the trial was just a formality. Someone had to take the fall, and the narrative had been set. A poor, innocent black man being killed by a mean, racist, white cop.

Maybe I'm wrong and Chauvin is everything the media said he was. I know how truthful the media is. I also have some ocean front property in Kansas for sale too.

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Dattier said:

Neither autopsy, including the one that is the only source of info that he had drugs in his body, concluded that.

Just a guess here... I suspect it's a lot easier to choke a skinny-necked person to death than it is a muscular-necked person. Just a hunch. The cause of death for that poor skinny-necked operson would not be their skinny neck. It would be the person who choked them to death.

Would a healthier, sober person have survived Chauvin's actions? Okay. That does not change the autopsy's conclusion.

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KDSTONE said:

The Left has infantilized the Black community for decades. The more racism they can find, the more govt intervention is necessary. They’ve gotten so desperate they fall for racial hoaxes again and again: Smollett, the race car driver noose incident, Michael Brown, Nicholas Sandmann, etc.
Just like the old SNL skit where the solution is always “ more cowbell”, for Dems the solution is always more govt.

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Dattier said:

You're on record here denying racism exists at all. I'm not sure how I should present evidence of something you don't think exists, or why I would bother. You've also changed the phrasing of what I said there was compelling evidence of.

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Dattier said:

This is the second time today you've bold quoted a single sentence I wrote, truncating relevant context provided in the very next sentences.
"I don't think media or the Dems brought race into this. The people did. The media reported it. Dems repeated it. "
I mean that I don't think they created it. They were the means through which we learned of it, like pretty much everything out of our direct eyesight. They were responsible for spreading that message. Perhaps I'm being very pedantic about this, splitting hairs over who did what. I feel like y'all see the media as some middle school gossip who makes up deliberate lies just to create drama. I just don't think it's that bad or that simple.

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KDSTONE said:

He likely died of a cardiac incident, caused by drug and alcohol abuse- related heart failure. Difficulty breathing shows up in stages 3 and 4 heart failure.

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Dahntay#1 said:

He knows. Trust me. But with his worldview, he has to inherently protect certain demographics. In their minds, certain demographics have no responsibility for where they are in life.

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