I am sorry Dattier, I am laughing at the fact that you can type out slut and whore, but not bitch. Hahaha

Dahntay#1 said:

I can only assume that you only have emotional arguments because you haven’t provided any examples of racism that exist today.

Name another demographic that uses a slur countless times daily to refer to themselves and others in the group. Not to mention, how is it taking the venom out when it is still used as a slur internally between black people more times than not. Show me a fight or argument online where black people aren’t using it as a slur towards each other.

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You assume. Got it.

I provided links and explained why I’d only invest that much time: you’re asking in bad faith.

I acknowledge that the use of the mother of all racial slurs among some subsets of Black culture is the most prominent, if not the most prevalent. Some gay people use gay slurs among themselves. Some women embrace “slut,” “whore,” and the b-word. Some people among other ethnicities do it, too. And I gave you multiple examples already: “Deplorables,” “Misfits,” etc.

Again, are you denying the existence of the position that co-opting once hurtful slurs is a way of weakening them? Do you think I just made it up?

Dahntay#1 said:

Imagine the damage it would do if you’re told from the time you are a kid that…

1) There is a race that has privilege over you so your potential is going to be capped.
2) There are systems purposely put in place that are going to prevent you from succeeding
3) Nothing is ever your fault because of the supposed history of this country.

Just really think about the damage that would do to a kid when society(mostly liberals) and the media are sending those messages. There’s a good chance you would develop resentment towards said race while thinking that you can get away with murder. No pun intended.

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Except that’s not the lesson. You’re creating a strawman.

GhostOf301 said:

You see, @Dattier... I have never claimed that everything is perfect. Quite the contrary, actually. I keep repeating, in fact, that it will never be perfect. You guys want to get the needle to be at zero. Which is an unattainable goal. I think we would be in a much better place if we taught our youth to ignore bigotry and focus on things they can control. Now, I am not saying that all bigotry CAN be ignored. But the vast majority of its can and should be. Instead, we want to teach them why they are victims of bigotry and give them tunnel vision, focused on the dark and negative aspects of society, preventing them from seeing the overwhelmingly GOOD in society. YOU are guilty of restricting progress by living in the past. Yet you call yourself progressive. You say it is me who refuses to see things and won't take the time to learn. But you're so guilty of being stuck in your ways.

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We should teach people to ignore slights on an individual level when they have no real bearing on their life either way… AND to address systemic issues long-term.

Dattier said:

I very much agree on the bold. I know @Dahntay#1 doesn't. I hope @GhostOf301 does, but I'm not holding my breath.

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I genuinely believe that on most issues, there are valid points to be made by both sides. I am not the greatest at acknowledging this on a somewhat anonymous message board with people who have wildly different ideologies. But it's there.

Imagine the damage it would do if you’re told from the time you are a kid that…

1) There is a race that has privilege over you so your potential is going to be capped.
2) There are systems purposely put in place that are going to prevent you from succeeding
3) Nothing is ever your fault because of the supposed history of this country.

Just really think about the damage that would do to a kid when society(mostly liberals) and the media are sending those messages. There’s a good chance you would develop resentment towards said race while thinking that you can get away with murder. No pun intended.

You see, @Dattier... I have never claimed that everything is perfect. Quite the contrary, actually. I keep repeating, in fact, that it will never be perfect. You guys want to get the needle to be at zero. Which is an unattainable goal. I think we would be in a much better place if we taught our youth to ignore bigotry and focus on things they can control. Now, I am not saying that all bigotry CAN be ignored. But the vast majority of its can and should be. Instead, we want to teach them why they are victims of bigotry and give them tunnel vision, focused on the dark and negative aspects of society, preventing them from seeing the overwhelmingly GOOD in society. YOU are guilty of restricting progress by living in the past. Yet you call yourself progressive. You say it is me who refuses to see things and won't take the time to learn. But you're so guilty of being stuck in your ways.

dukecorey said:

I don’t see it with the players that left and they have coming in. The players leaving were way better except for Wilson & big center from AZ. They lost Davis (former First Team ACC ), Powell (first round draft pick), Jackson (soon to be a first round pick next draft), they lost a better pg then they brought in. Guess we will see but I think Duke is way more talented team.

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Yeah talent wise there’s a big gap in the rosters next year. Will that pan out? Who knows, but the cheats will be out of the top 25 when the preseason poll rolls around.

Dattier said:

Name an emotional argument I've used.

Are you unaware of the position that using slurs that used to be hurled at you is one way of taking the venom out of them? Or do you just want to be a pedant about "reclaim"?

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I can only assume that you only have emotional arguments because you haven’t provided any examples of racism that exist today.

Name another demographic that uses a slur countless times daily to refer to themselves and others in the group. Not to mention, how is it taking the venom out when it is still used as a slur internally between black people more times than not. Show me a fight or argument online where black people aren’t using it as a slur towards each other.

Dattier said:

Yaaaaaawn. I used that clip in a class I used to teach for years. I fully embrace what he says about it. What you don't understand is that you think everyone is as absolutist and simple as you are. I never have been. I reflect on what Malcolm X says about white liberals and am constantly checking myself in order to do better. You already think you know everything. It's obvious in the lack of reflection, the lack of a pause when you charge straight into everything fully confident that you're right and there's no other way to be right.

You keep claiming I'm emotional without any evidence after I've already provided evidence of how I am not. (The last paragraph is yet another example.)

Your experience? Hahaha! You think racism doesn't exist and the Civil Rights Movement was a bad thing. I think you're in way over your head here. Here you go for examples. And here. Now dismiss every bit of it and wonder why I didn't put any more effort into your bad faith inquiries than a basic google search.

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First, the fact that you even had to use Google proves my point. There is so much “racism”, you had to look it up try and come up with something 😂

Secondly, the fact that you think Google is a good way to research these types of things confirms how out of touch you are with reality. You claim to be so smart but have no clue how Google works.

Casualties of war is a good one . With Michael J Fox .
If you are into Hispanic culture . Blood in and Blood out and American me are good movies.

Dahntay#1 said:

That’s not going to work @Dattier. You know that you are in over your head here and that’s why you won’t have the conversation. Instead of telling me how “racism” exists, you cower and say something like “Well you don’t even believe it exists”. If I were to have this conversation with anyone else on this board, they would easily be able to tell me why they think “racism” exists. But it’s pretty clear you have nothing but emotional arguments. That’s right on brand for you.

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Name an emotional argument I've used.

Are you unaware of the position that using slurs that used to be hurled at you is one way of taking the venom out of them? Or do you just want to be a pedant about "reclaim"?

KDSTONE said:

Can’t speak for Datt, but when I brought it up I was referencing the fact that a couple decades ago the Ivies began placing maximum limits on how many Jews and Asians would be admitted. In effect a Jew or Asian’s overall application would be reverse handicapped so other groups would have a better chance for admission. Some estimates state that if admissions were color blind Harvard e.g would be around 40% Asian, 30% Jewish, 25% white, and 5% Hispanic, Black, others combined. Most wouldn’t find this result desirable not because they hate Jews and Asians, but they prefer the student body to look somewhat like society as a whole and that some groups are more likely to have been raised in poverty without structure and w/o parents who went to college so they perhaps should be given a boost admissions wise. I think both sides of the issue have valid points.

Some have accused state universities like UF and Michigan of capping Jewish enrollment at about 20% but I haven’t seen any evidence of it.

One of the most valid criticisms of aff action to me is that, dovetailing off the reasons I gave for supporting aff action, the kids who really get the shaft are poor white and Asian kids with lower test scores than the median because admitting them doesnt help the schools get to their ideal magic numbers of each group

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I very much agree on the bold. I know @Dahntay#1 doesn't. I hope @GhostOf301 does, but I'm not holding my breath.

Dahntay#1 said:

@Dattier You’re the quintessential emotional white liberal. Malcolm X describes you here perfectly.

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There's nothing worse for the black community than people like you. When asked to provide examples of how racism affects black people today, you have nothing. It has not gone unnoticed that all of your arguments regarding “racism” are nothing but emotional babble. You have no clue what you’re talking about. You know nothing about black history and even less about the black community.

With all of that being said, I’m not even mad at you. I understand you have been brainwashed. But understand you’re out of your depth here. My personal experience coupled with historical knowledge puts you at a significant disadvantage on this topic. Honestly, I think you know this and it’s why you’re using calls to emotion or dodging questions completely.

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Yaaaaaawn. I used that clip in a class I used to teach for years. I fully embrace what he says about it. What you don't understand is that you think everyone is as absolutist and simple as you are. I never have been. I reflect on what Malcolm X says about white liberals and am constantly checking myself in order to do better. You already think you know everything. It's obvious in the lack of reflection, the lack of a pause when you charge straight into everything fully confident that you're right and there's no other way to be right.

You keep claiming I'm emotional without any evidence after I've already provided evidence of how I am not. (The last paragraph is yet another example.)

Your experience? Hahaha! You think racism doesn't exist and the Civil Rights Movement was a bad thing. I think you're in way over your head here. Here you go for examples. And here. Now dismiss every bit of it and wonder why I didn't put any more effort into your bad faith inquiries than a basic google search.

GhostOf301 said:

I am fast to draw skepticism about a lot of claims. And I am right for doing so far more than I am wrong. I dismiss ideologies that label anything and everything as being racist or making race relevant in irrelevant situations. I don't dismiss actual racism.

No, datt. I am mocking you for constantly painting conservatives as bigots who lack empathy. You'll deny doing so, I am sure. One party certainly does not hold the monopoly on racism. But in this country's case, the party that accuses the other of it is far more guilty.

You were a proponent of affirmative action, right? Why are you all of the sudden concerned about this. And we're talking about private schools, correct? I don't agree with policies that discriminate either way, but can we really use private schools as examples of institutional racism? What are the actual policies, also?

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See, I think you point at alleged Democratic racism far more often than I accuse conservatives of racism. If you want to say it goes the other way in society at large, no argument, but not here. If you actually accepted the very real fact that systemic racism absolutely exists, you'd understand your participation in it isn't the heinous thing you think it is based on your misunderstanding of it. Same with my participation in it.

We have very different opinions on how often you are right and wrong. You dismiss racism from situations where you don't immediately see its relevance, meaning you aren't open to learning anything new, like where you have missed some things.

I'm still a proponent of affirmative action, though not as you define it. And I'm not weighing in either way on what @KDSTONE says about Jewish and Asian-American applicants. I'm just saying that it would be an example of prejudicial policy having a serious impact on people's lives, contrary to your claim.

I'll repeat this: Like most prejudice and racism of its type, the public narrative around it involves YEARS of people naming it and people like @GhostOf301 , @Dahntay#1 , and other conservatives denying it, and then there's a breakthrough and everyone recognizes it, including @GhostOf301 , @Dahntay#1 , and other conservatives... and then @GhostOf301 , @Dahntay#1 , and other conservatives go back to claiming that systemic/institutional racism is all over and done now and everything on the books is perfect. Another 10 years and they'll be acting like something they're fighting and denying now is accepted as racist just through common sense and that it's all over now again, and where are the new current examples that prove otherwise.

Dattier said:

Hey, @Mac9192 , someone is playing word games in order to create a strawman! You might wanna show up and accuse him of being clever.

*I* know so little about Black history? Yet here I am explaining a very well-known stance and you're acting like I just made it up. I'm white and have about 20 years on you and you're the one who is completely clueless about the existence of this perspective? I mean, there's no shame in not knowing something, but to then puff out your chest and attempt to mock others for knowing something you don't? I really feel sorry for you, @Dahntay#1 .

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That’s not going to work @Dattier. You know that you are in over your head here and that’s why you won’t have the conversation. Instead of telling me how “racism” exists, you cower and say something like “Well you don’t even believe it exists”. If I were to have this conversation with anyone else on this board, they would easily be able to tell me why they think “racism” exists. But it’s pretty clear you have nothing but emotional arguments. That’s right on brand for you.

Dahntay#1 said:

Hilarious. Imagine thinking you can reclaim a word that you didn’t create. I know you know very little about black history, but let me get this straight. You think black people originally called themselves that word, then white people “claimed” it and started using it as a derogatory term, and then black people “reclaimed” it? So in this made up pattern of yours, it appears white people are up again in this game of ping pong? 😂

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Hey, @Mac9192 , someone is playing word games in order to create a strawman! You might wanna show up and accuse him of being clever.

*I* know so little about Black history? Yet here I am explaining a very well-known stance and you're acting like I just made it up. I'm white and have about 20 years on you and you're the one who is completely clueless about the existence of this perspective? I mean, there's no shame in not knowing something, but to then puff out your chest and attempt to mock others for knowing something you don't? I really feel sorry for you, @Dahntay#1 .

GhostOf301 said:

I am fast to draw skepticism about a lot of claims. And I am right for doing so far more than I am wrong. I dismiss ideologies that label anything and everything as being racist or making race relevant in irrelevant situations. I don't dismiss actual racism.

No, datt. I am mocking you for constantly painting conservatives as bigots who lack empathy. You'll deny doing so, I am sure. One party certainly does not hold the monopoly on racism. But in this country's case, the party that accuses the other of it is far more guilty.

You were a proponent of affirmative action, right? Why are you all of the sudden concerned about this. And we're talking about private schools, correct? I don't agree with policies that discriminate either way, but can we really use private schools as examples of institutional racism? What are the actual policies, also?

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Can’t speak for Datt, but when I brought it up I was referencing the fact that a couple decades ago the Ivies began placing maximum limits on how many Jews and Asians would be admitted. In effect a Jew or Asian’s overall application would be reverse handicapped so other groups would have a better chance for admission. Some estimates state that if admissions were color blind Harvard e.g would be around 40% Asian, 30% Jewish, 25% white, and 5% Hispanic, Black, others combined. Most wouldn’t find this result desirable not because they hate Jews and Asians, but they prefer the student body to look somewhat like society as a whole and that some groups are more likely to have been raised in poverty without structure and w/o parents who went to college so they perhaps should be given a boost admissions wise. I think both sides of the issue have valid points.

Some have accused state universities like UF and Michigan of capping Jewish enrollment at about 20% but I haven’t seen any evidence of it.

One of the most valid criticisms of aff action to me is that, dovetailing off the reasons I gave for supporting aff action, the kids who really get the shaft are poor white and Asian kids with lower test scores than the median because admitting them doesnt help the schools get to their ideal magic numbers of each group

youngman42 said:

So just a loose breakdown, to me:

1–Foster, Boozer, Harris (?)
2–Evans, Sarr, Boozer, Khamenia, Sheffield, Harris
3–Khamenia, Sarr, Wilkins, Brown
4–Cam Boozer, Wilkins, Brown
5–Ngongba, Brown, Boozer

9 with strong potential to see legit minutes:

Foster, Cay Boozer, Evans, Sarr, Khamenia, Cam Boozer, Brown, Ngongba, Wilkins.

Several with potential to hit 3s consistently. But lacking some maturity so that will be one Achilles heel there.

The other thing I think could be a challenge is mature physicality at the perimeter. That has been a major factor in men’s CBB the past few years with the play of teams like Houston, Tennessee, et al. who play more hockey and football on the court than basketball, lol. Foster hopefully will get even stronger and show the way there. Sion was an enormous factor there. Something we hadn’t seen maybe ever at Duke at that spot.

Maybe Khamenia will be able to bring some. Khamenia is 6’8, 215 and can handle the rock. So he could be a huge factor for us.

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Great breakdown here. As for the physicality on the perimeter, hopefully that won’t be as big of an issue as it’s been since the extra virus year is done. Hoping that helps us slightly in that regard.

GhostOf301 said:

I am fast to draw skepticism about a lot of claims. And I am right for doing so far more than I am wrong. I dismiss ideologies that label anything and everything as being racist or making race relevant in irrelevant situations. I don't dismiss actual racism.

No, datt. I am mocking you for constantly painting conservatives as bigots who lack empathy. You'll deny doing so, I am sure. One party certainly does not hold the monopoly on racism. But in this country's case, the party that accuses the other of it is far more guilty.

You were a proponent of affirmative action, right? Why are you all of the sudden concerned about this. And we're talking about private schools, correct? I don't agree with policies that discriminate either way, but can we really use private schools as examples of institutional racism? What are the actual policies, also?

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The fact that society has pretty much conditioned everyone to believe claims simply because someone makes them is part of the reason we are where we are today. Kudos to you for having a healthy skepticism for claims. It is indeed a rarity.

I don't watch war movies. I prefer escapism. I did like Private Ryan and Platoon, but I find them depressing.

Dattier said:

You’re so fast to interrupt and dismiss racism, I don’t think you have any idea what size monster I’d make it out to be.

At the moment, I don’t even mind the idiocy of claiming only one political party is guilty of it; I’m just glad you finally recognize that racism/prejudice today has a huge impact on many people’s lives.

If it’s the policy of an INSTITUTION that makes college admissions more difficult for Jewish and Asian-American students, how is that INDIVIDUAL racism/prejudice and not INSTITUTIONAL racism/prejudice?

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I am fast to draw skepticism about a lot of claims. And I am right for doing so far more than I am wrong. I dismiss ideologies that label anything and everything as being racist or making race relevant in irrelevant situations. I don't dismiss actual racism.

No, datt. I am mocking you for constantly painting conservatives as bigots who lack empathy. You'll deny doing so, I am sure. One party certainly does not hold the monopoly on racism. But in this country's case, the party that accuses the other of it is far more guilty.

You were a proponent of affirmative action, right? Why are you all of the sudden concerned about this. And we're talking about private schools, correct? I don't agree with policies that discriminate either way, but can we really use private schools as examples of institutional racism? What are the actual policies, also?

youngman42 said:

So just a loose breakdown, to me:

1–Foster, Boozer, Harris (?)
2–Evans, Sarr, Boozer, Khamenia, Sheffield, Harris
3–Khamenia, Sarr, Wilkins, Brown
4–Cam Boozer, Wilkins, Brown
5–Ngongba, Brown, Boozer

9 with strong potential to see legit minutes:

Foster, Cay Boozer, Evans, Sarr, Khamenia, Cam Boozer, Brown, Ngongba, Wilkins.

Several with potential to hit 3s consistently. But lacking some maturity so that will be one Achilles heel there.

The other thing I think could be a challenge is mature physicality at the perimeter. That has been a major factor in men’s CBB the past few years with the play of teams like Houston, Tennessee, et al. who play more hockey and football on the court than basketball, lol. Foster hopefully will get even stronger and show the way there. Sion was an enormous factor there. Something we hadn’t seen maybe ever at Duke at that spot.

Maybe Khamenia will be able to bring some. Khamenia is 6’8, 215 and can handle the rock. So he could be a huge factor for us.

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DeMarcus Nelson?