Tyreese Proctor reclassing

[sheyduke]

Do we ever get all the freshman to commit defensively? Seems like a few do every year. Our defensive aces this year were Williams and Moore. Catchings looks strong and could be a good defender. Lively has a defensive rep. Whitehead has the tools, but so did AJ and Banchero. I will say if Proctor can come in and be an impact, stud type freshman that will make things a lot easier for Jon. (and probably why Jon seemed to be stressing less about the Keels thing than we were, as this was the backup plan) Also if Young gives us 15-20 quality minutes a game and defends that will allow Lively to be more aggressive. We have a lot of new pieces, so if Proctor makes the offense run smoothly that goes a long way. Getting Proctor (which I like more and more now that I think about it) really takes the pressure off Schutt and Blakes, and will allow them to slowly develop. Our better teams always had a good PG, and now we have two.

The last two championship Duke has won had two common things . Two pg or two combo guards . Nolan/Scheyer and Jones/Cook. None except Jones was a traditional pg . If Jon can just get Blake’s and Schutt to give Roach and Proctor breathers then that’s a plus .
its going to be interesting

 

[christophero]

Just read Jamie Shaw's analysis on next year's team. He is either a genius or knows next to nothing. He projects us to get a transfer SG who will start over Proctor. He also thinks Proctor may stay a few years. He seemed to think Proctor could be a step slow for the NBA, at least at the moment. (Has he watched Duke lately?) Not likely. He sees us starting Flip and bringing Lively off the bench and staggering the two big men, with Mitchell at the 4. This makes some sense as Duke likes to go small. But I imagine it will be Roach, Proctor, Whitehead, Flip and Lively. Although if Mitchell is better than advertised he could start at the 4. Flip is shooting up rankings so fast he might be overrated and Mitchell underrated. Who knows. They are both 5 stars so Mitchell being better than Flip is a possibility.

 

[sheyduke]

Just read Jamie Shaw's analysis on next year's team. He is either a genius or knows next to nothing. He projects us to get a transfer SG who will start over Proctor. He also thinks Proctor may stay a few years. He seemed to think Proctor could be a step slow for the NBA, at least at the moment. (Has he watched Duke lately?) Not likely. He sees us starting Flip and bringing Lively off the bench and staggering the two big men, with Mitchell at the 4. This makes some sense as Duke likes to go small. But I imagine it will be Roach, Proctor, Whitehead, Flip and Lively. Although if Mitchell is better than advertised he could start at the 4. Flip is shooting up rankings so fast he might be overrated and Mitchell underrated. Who knows. They are both 5 stars so Mitchell being better than Flip is a possibility.

I actually agree with everything except a sg transfer starting over Proctor . He didnt reclass and come early to come off the bench . To me Duke don’t need anyone else unless their plan is just to force Blake’s into the portal next year or Schutt . The 2023 will need some type of experience or it will be Dukes youngest team ever .

 

[geddoughton23]

Proctor looks like a wonderful college prospect. Perhaps 15 minutes per game as a freshman and then a starter as a sophomore. Unless he improves dramatically, he doesn't look athletic enough to ever play significant minutes in the NBA.

Since he won't count as an American, I could see him on an overseas roster after one year of college , but I don't believe that he would be drafted by an NBA team

 

[GAAP]

Do we ever get all the freshman to commit defensively? Seems like a few do every year. Our defensive aces this year were Williams and Moore. Catchings looks strong and could be a good defender. Lively has a defensive rep. Whitehead has the tools, but so did AJ and Banchero. I will say if Proctor can come in and be an impact, stud type freshman that will make things a lot easier for Jon. (and probably why Jon seemed to be stressing less about the Keels thing than we were, as this was the backup plan) Also if Young gives us 15-20 quality minutes a game and defends that will allow Lively to be more aggressive. We have a lot of new pieces, so if Proctor makes the offense run smoothly that goes a long way. Getting Proctor (which I like more and more now that I think about it) really takes the pressure off Schutt and Blakes, and will allow them to slowly develop. Our better teams always had a good PG, and now we have two.

Lot of “ifs” in this post. Let’s just wait and see.

 

[jeffrey236]

I know we have a great recruiting class, but we are going to be SOOOOOO young. I have high hopes but really trying to temper my expectations. Our 2015 team was also heavily reliant on young talent, but we had some great junior and senior upperclassmen. This team will not have any of that, other than our transfers. And this next year we’ll see some very good teams, like Carolina and Gonzaga, that have strong upperclassmen rosters. This team, and particularly the freshmen class, may produce the most NBA players in Duke history, but that may not be enough to win any championships. I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but no one should be surprised if this team doesn’t go too far. I’ll be overjoyed to say how wrong I was…..

 

[christophero]

I agree. Nothing wrong with being realistic. This is pretty much what every non Duke fan is saying about our team next year. We do have a lot of talent. This is arguably the best recruiting class ever. We do have Roach but he hasn't played with any of these guys. I would like to add the Texas or Illinois guard for experience. Even if we don't, Proctor gives us another skilled guard in case Blakes and Schutt aren't ready. There are a bunch of experienced teams in the top 10. It will be interesting how it plays out. I certainly feel better getting Proctor after the Keels/Green fiasco. We could not afford to come out of that empty handed and we didn't. I give Jon credit for being prepared. My guess is we don't add a transfer but I would like to add one more. In theory Baker could still return. Guys have returned to the same team from the portal. A 5th year Duke player would be more than welcome.

 

[9dukejames]

Proctor looks like a wonderful college prospect. Perhaps 15 minutes per game as a freshman and then a starter as a sophomore. Unless he improves dramatically, he doesn't look athletic enough to ever play significant minutes in the NBA.

Since he won't count as an American, I could see him on an overseas roster after one year of college , but I don't believe that he would be drafted by an NBA team

I believe that he is good enough to start this coming season and probably plans on staying only one year. We will see what happens. As for his Pro potential. a little hard to say until he plays a few games. I suspect that he would be a First Round draft pick but it is a little bit harder getting scout reports on overseas players. IMO, he is a better prospect than Keels. TBD I guess.

 

[geddoughton23]

Keels is a great prospect; Proctor is a fantastic prospect. Both would contribute to the very best college teams, and both are a couple of levels away from contributing in the NBA.

 

[hart2chesson]

We're a sweet sixteen/elite eight team as of now. Add Ramey or Grandison and that changes drastically.

bleed I like your analysis. Sweet 16 or Elite 8 now. Ramey or Grandison with their age/experience could transform our assessment! OFC

 

[pisgah101]

We’re going to win the national championship

 

[christophero]

Every one of our freshman besides Banchero were very inconsistent. AJ would score 25 one game and zero the next two. Keels slumped for much of the season honestly after a hot start. You just never know with freshman, even highly rated ones. Last year we had Roach, Williams and Moore as the glue guys. At least we have 5 highly rated guys, so 2 or 3 could be high impact guys. If 4-5 guys ball out we could cut down the nets; but that's asking a lot. One more transfer guard could go a long way. I think we will be very good at times but inconsistent, and maybe a lower seed than we are used to. But we could make a run in the tournament.

 

[9dukejames]

Yea I would bet on a few wut was those losses .OMG. But by March, Duke could be formidable. I am really looking forward to the season. On a side note, I look for Booker to pay a visit to Duke soon.

 

[acc hoops]

I think with the youth of this team Duke needs to let them make mistakes and develop during the course of the year. If that means being a 4 0r 5 seed next March that is ok.

 

[christophero]

People are hot to trot after the Illinois 6-6 senior guard Grandison. Illinois was 12-2 with him starting last year. We are in his top 10 FWIW. Might be a hard sell after landing Proctor. If we got him we'd prob. be top 5, or at least firmly in the top 10.

 

[JimboSlice00]

I actually agree with everything except a sg transfer starting over Proctor . He didnt reclass and come early to come off the bench . To me Duke don’t need anyone else unless their plan is just to force Blake’s into the portal next year or Schutt . The 2023 will need some type of experience or it will be Dukes youngest team ever .

Agreed. Proctor didnt reclass to sit.

 

[dadecodevil]

I was at K Academy today and came away impressed with these young guys. Flip is a stud, he runs the floor like a small forward and finishes tough shots on the move. Whitehead is a man, he scores effortlessly and I will be really interested to see how we comes out in November. I doubt seriously that anyone on the college level can guard him. Mitchell is interesting. He has nice moves and is uber athletic, he dunked on Dhantay Jones will little effort, he looks like a guy that needs a couple of years, but may be a killer sophomore. Schutt has a better handle than I thought and his shot is beautiful, I doubt he's ready for more than 15 minutes a game this year. Last but not least, Roach is going to be a problem for opponents next year, he first step and athleticism was impressive up close. Look for a Nolan Smith type junior year jump. All opinions, but ill stick with them.

 

[christophero]

How did Blakes look? Is he ready to contribute this year? Is Schutt ahead of him? Did Lively play?

 

[Fourteen44]

40-0

 

[sheyduke]

But the one thing on Roach is how did he look on the defensive end ? His problem wasn’t really scoring it was keeping his guy in front of him on defense and fighting through screens .

 

[christophero]

We also always look good scrimmaging against ourselves. The last two preseasons Baker looked like he had made a huge leap. Looking forward to seeing Proctor and Roach together.

 

[jnastasi]

Lot of “ifs” in this post. Let’s just wait and see.

Agreed. A lot of “ifs”. Very difficult to get freshman to play defense in general, let alone for 40 minutes.

 

[christophero]

Well of course if you only are returning one rotation guy there are going to be a lot of ifs. No one in the top 10 has as many ifs as us. We have a ton of upside as well. We may have taken for granted how well Coach K juggled all the newcomers the last 5 or 6 years.. Hopefully Jon is up to the task. With Keels gone it is important for Young and Catchings to make contributions on the court. Even the Fab 5 at Michigan had 3 or 4 returning upperclassman to play with.

 

[pisgah101]

40-0

That’s what I’m talking about!

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

I am conflicted...I really like the idea of bringing noone else and getting schutt and blakes those minutes.....then on the other hand bring in Ramey or grandison for their experience and shoring up the guard rotation w/ blakes or schutt getting slighted and maybe taking off the season after...tough decision

 

[9dukejames]

I am conflicted...I really like the idea of bringing noone else and getting schutt and blakes those minutes.....then on the other hand bring in Ramey or grandison for their experience and shoring up the guard rotation w/ blakes or schutt getting slighted and maybe taking off the season after...tough decision

I lean toward favoring just standing pat with the roster and letting Schutt and Blakes get some playing time. Developing those guys and keeping them multiple years seems important to me. In particular, I am hoping that Blakes carves out a niche as a defensive specialist by the end of the regular season.

 

[christophero]

It is indeed a dilemma. If we bring in a transfer like the Illinois guard, Blakes and Schutt will not get much PT. But if we don't, we risk being too young and Blakes and Schutt not really being ready to help us. The decision to bring in Proctor has already been made, so the transfer addition is now unlikely. Those guys do need to develop for the future. But they could end up leaving either way. The roster is probably now set.

 

[jamsession3]

No need to bring a transfer in. Develop the team, focus on chemistry and stick to identifying roles leading up to October.

 

[hart2chesson]

YOUTH. My biggest concern next year. For all the hype surrounding Proctor (and I have NO DOUBT he is a baller), we're still exceedingly young.Last season we started Two Freshmen at end of year in Paolo and Griffin. Wendell was a junior, Mark and Jeremy sophomores. That's a young team, with fair experience.

This season it APPEARS it's Jeremy (junior) and the kiddie corps (4 FRESHMEN). This year's five are significantly younger, and despite the Uber talent, youth has trouble with "OLD" (to quote K) teams. How many pregame radio shows did he discuss an opponent and lament, "And They're Old????"Plenty.

Go ahead and direct the slings and arrows at me. I hate to be a Debbie Downer about the team and program and school I love dearly. I will go on record now as saying I would have rather landed a Ramey or Grandison or Smith, etc for an "OLD" back court and young front court.

Again, I hope Jon proves me wrong, but I think UNC (Are they on social security yet???), really has the edge on us next year. I see them knocking us off twice. Obviously it's not just UNC we play, but they are the ACC odds-on favorite. Problem is, the portal lends experience to coaches like Larranaga at the U, and others who rely on it.

Regardless, Go Duke and the good thing about Proctor is he can shoot it. Whitehead and Proctor give us two perimeter marksmen, something we lacked last year. OFC

 

[christophero]

You are not being a Debbie Downer. We have extreme talent and extreme youth. And we did not get another guy yet through the portal like we expected if Keels left. We did get a good point guard, but I'd still want one more transfer. If we can address a need through the portal we should. Or at least try. We still need to replace Baker. UNC and Virginia return most of their guys. It may be hard to add a good transfer at this point though.

 

[Liftee]

I can't imagine Proctor is coming to Duke without some idea that the coaches feel he can play 25 minutes. If that's the case, anyone else coming in is playing 15 minutes at best. That does not suggest a starter quality guy but rather maybe a mid major who wants his last year to be with a contender. I don't know if that guy exists.

 

[hart2chesson]

You are not being a Debbie Downer. We have extreme talent and extreme youth. And we did not get another guy yet through the portal like we expected if Keels left. We did get a good point guard, but I'd still want one more transfer. If we can address a need through the portal we should. Or at least try. We still need to replace Baker. UNC and Virginia return most of their guys. It may be hard to add a good transfer at this point though.

Thanks for the kind words Chris. OFC

 

[sheyduke]

I want everybody to get off of UNC’s nutts!! The season hasn’t even began yet , not one game played and already y’all are giving up on the season. Yes Duke is going to be young . It isn’t youth I’m worried about it’s the ability not to wear down the youth before March . Jon is going to have to get them into playing defense period if he can do that the points will come. Mitchell, Lively and Whitehead are known as good defenders now it’s up to the backcourt to see who will step up. You only need to win a game by a point . If your getting beat by 15 then it’s going to be a long season .

 

[christophero]

Off topic but they just mentioned on Dan Patrick that coach K might not like Grant Hill's new book. Wonder what that is about.

 

[johnl1219]

Off topic but they just mentioned on Dan Patrick that coach K might not like Grant Hill's new book. Wonder what that is about.

My guess would be how tough Coach K was on the players back then. We all know that he was tough and had some harsh language so perhaps, K may not want all those stories to become public. In reading the new book by Ian O'Connor, there are some stories in there where he was tough on players as well as one of the Student Newspaper writers, back in the day.

 

[hart2chesson]

My guess would be how tough Coach K was on the players back then. We all know that he was tough and had some harsh language so perhaps, K may not want all those stories to become public. In reading the new book by Ian O'Connor, there are some stories in there where he was tough on players as well as one of the Student Newspaper writers, back in the day.

Coach K did ream the sports writers at The Duke Chronicle.It was a huge story for the paper, and brought them much attention. I cannot recall the exact reasons for K's blow-up, and whether or not it was warranted.

OFC

 

[hart2chesson]

Off topic but they just mentioned on Dan Patrick that coach K might not like Grant Hill's new book. Wonder what that is about.

Hmmmm.....

OFC

 

[jeffrey236]

Coach K did ream the sports writers at The Duke Chronicle.It was a huge story for the paper, and brought them much attention. I cannot recall the exact reasons for K's blow-up, and whether or not it was warranted.

OFC

I believe it was because The Chronicle ran an article with a report card for each player, most of which wasn’t very flattering.

 

[johnl1219]

Coach K did ream the sports writers at The Duke Chronicle.It was a huge story for the paper, and brought them much attention. I cannot recall the exact reasons for K's blow-up, and whether or not it was warranted.

OFC

It was in the Ian O'Connor book and it described the incident. Essentially, a student reporter graded the players and the team for their performances through the first half of the season. K wasn't happy that the student graded some players at a C or C- and graded the team at a B-plus.

In my opinion, it was a way for K to show his players that he would have their back, no matter what. I don't think it really had as much to do with the article itself, but more of a way to show his loyalty to the team. K thought the best way to do it was to make a spectacle of it.

 

[christophero]

I wonder if the staff are confident that guys like Young, Catchings Schutt and Blakes can give us good minutes. This might explain our non aggressiveness with the transfer market recently. If Catchings can be a 10/15 minute glue guy/defensive specialist that would really help. Also if Young can give 15/20 minutes if needed.