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Tokoto going pro...

Returning to UNC would be better?

He was likely to lose playing time with Theo Pinson healty and Marcus Paige healthy. And he might not even start with everybody sure that Joel Berry would be moving into the starting lineup.

Yes, he still needs to learn things to be a successful pro but Roy has nothing to teach him. Roy's teaching style - especially as it applies to Tokoto - is getting 4 inches from Tokoto's face and screaming like a madman. That clearly didn't help Tokoto's play at the end of the season - in fact he look demoralized - but it's all Roy had.

To get better at this level, Tokoto would need to play for a team that sets screens and has good spacing. Roy has barely heard of even one of those.

There's a good chance Tokoto will be picked late in the 2nd round. He could be a seriously good bargain for some team at that price. Alternatively (or if drafted late), he could end up in the D League.

Since he hasn't hired an agent (the last I heard) he still has time to think about transferring to a school with a coach who could teach him what he needs to learn. Just because Roy couldn't figure him out doesn't mean most schools would turn down a guy with that athleticism and experience. You bring him in, you teach him for a year, and then you get a year of solid performance. That's pretty much a coach's dream, isn't it?
 
He'd be a beast for K. Athletic...plays defense....slashes. No one but no one utilizes wings as well as K. Can't believe Roy can even sign any. They become one-dimensional in William's system...a fact JP alluded to in his parting shots , I believe.
 
Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Returning to UNC would be better?

He was likely to lose playing time with Theo Pinson healty and Marcus Paige healthy. And he might not even start with everybody sure that Joel Berry would be moving into the starting lineup.

Yes, he still needs to learn things to be a successful pro but Roy has nothing to teach him. Roy's teaching style - especially as it applies to Tokoto - is getting 4 inches from Tokoto's face and screaming like a madman. That clearly didn't help Tokoto's play at the end of the season - in fact he look demoralized - but it's all Roy had.

To get better at this level, Tokoto would need to play for a team that sets screens and has good spacing. Roy has barely heard of even one of those.

There's a good chance Tokoto will be picked late in the 2nd round. He could be a seriously good bargain for some team at that price. Alternatively (or if drafted late), he could end up in the D League.

Since he hasn't hired an agent (the last I heard) he still has time to think about transferring to a school with a coach who could teach him what he needs to learn. Just because Roy couldn't figure him out doesn't mean most schools would turn down a guy with that athleticism and experience. You bring him in, you teach him for a year, and then you get a year of solid performance. That's pretty much a coach's dream, isn't it?
I agree with you, WWJD, and also with DevilDJ (about K utilizing Tokoto). JP is so athletic, and talented. I also agree that he could be a great value for some NBA team if they're willing to spend the time to develop him...San Antonio anyone?

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Let's be honest here a bit. The kid has been at UNC long enough to establish a jump shot. WTF was he doing in the offseason? I don't think all the non-development with this kid should fall solely on Roy. Most of Duke's better players spent offseasons getting better. This kid just didn't get any better. The blame has to go on both IMO.
 
Originally posted by DevilDJ:
He'd be a beast for K. Athletic...plays defense....slashes. No one but no one utilizes wings as well as K. Can't believe Roy can even sign any. They become one-dimensional in William's system...a fact JP alluded to in his parting shots , I believe.
Is there a rule against players transferring from one ACC school to another? I know UMd and Ga Tech did what looked like a player trade, but that was with UMd changing conferences.

Not that I want players to be treated even more like pieces of meat, but sometimes you look at a player or a team and see that one team has an abundance of what another team needs, or you see a player languishing on the bench of one team who could thrive on another.
 
Tokoto, a popular media choice for the ACC's all-defensive team, wasn't among the options the school offered on the ballot, hinting at disfavor within the program.

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I could be wrong but they pinson is not going to turn into a star. I know he had some injuries but nothing I saw the entire year even remotely showed me he would be special. What I noticed was that he liked to be noticed and did a lot of yelling and stuff from the bench and when he was injured he seemed to be off the bench like an assistant wanting to be noticed. I think when he played he took ill advised shots and had trouble taking anyone off the dribble. On the other hand I think they will miss tokoto. When unc was playing well against us it was him slashing and breaking that really hurt us. Their fans will say they won't miss him but I think they will. Yes he missed the jumper at the end against us but the rest of the game he played well.
 
Originally posted by kailman:
I could be wrong but they pinson is not going to turn into a star. I know he had some injuries but nothing I saw the entire year even remotely showed me he would be special. What I noticed was that he liked to be noticed and did a lot of yelling and stuff from the bench and when he was injured he seemed to be off the bench like an assistant wanting to be noticed. I think when he played he took ill advised shots and had trouble taking anyone off the dribble. On the other hand I think they will miss tokoto. When unc was playing well against us it was him slashing and breaking that really hurt us. Their fans will say they won't miss him but I think they will. Yes he missed the jumper at the end against us but the rest of the game he played well.
Define star. Pinson, at this point, appears to be a skinner version of Tokoto with marginally better handles. I'm not sure if Pinson's on the verge of greatness, but I really don't think UNC loses much from Tokoto's departure -- save the depth of having two explosive wings in case of injury. The both seem to share most of the same strengths and weaknesses.
 
Pinson showed nowhere even close to the athletic ability of tokoto. The game was way to fast for pinson this year. Yes injured but so was Grayson and others . Just my opinion. In many games tokoto was a star. Those were also games that went up and down the court but in my opinion that is the only way unc won games. When they were able to run. I just don't see it in pinson. Hey I didn't like tokoto .. Always looked like an arrogant a$$. But at time he scared me but that was from the paint. .glad he's gone that's all I know.
 
Tokoto could be a very good defender in the NBA. If he learns shot selection he could play for a long time. If he gets into a situation where he is allowed to take contested mid-range jumpers like at UNC then it is hard to imagine he will have a ton of success.

The best case scenario for JP would be to start hitting 3s. A 3 and D guy in the NBA is very valuable.
 
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