The inevitable question per Bagley....
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I believe that because Bagley is so dominant, our very young team would start ball watching when it is in his hands causing our offense to suffer (no moving, taking bad shots). Now that Bagley is out i think subconsciously everyone knows they need to do more and as a result they are mentally more involved. Plus the fact K gave in and went zone. Grayson has always shined when asked to be a scorer, since his sophomore year he has added playmaking abilities. What we are seeing is it all coming together for him at the end of his college career, in my opinion Grayson deferred too much to Bagley (but he demands and deserves touches). I am thinking for us to win 6, Bagley might have to comeback and be Robin to Grayson's Batman. There are only so many possessions in a game, and both players are at their best with the ball in their hands. I dunno, just glad we are playing like we should be.
Oh, and like i said earlier in the season Wendell is wayyyyy more skilled than Bagley. If Marvin had Wendell's skill set we might be looking at the next Hakeem prob better.
Oh, and like i said earlier in the season Wendell is wayyyyy more skilled than Bagley. If Marvin had Wendell's skill set we might be looking at the next Hakeem prob better.
I think the ceiling for this group without Bagley is Elite 8, with Bagley it’s National Champions. The outcome of the 3 regular season games left on Duke’s schedule (mainly @ Virginia Tech and vs. UNC) will tell us a lot about what direction Duke is heading.
I don't know man. If Butler came within one basket of winning a title in 2010, I don't think you can ever rule a team this talented out as long as they are playing well. When Uconn beat ky for the title, I didn't think either of those teams were very good teams.
. Very good point DukefanKY, it’s all about matchups. I just won’t feel good if our guys get swept by the Tar Heels.
I'm with you there, but I feel good about that not happening. I like our chances to win out, and take the ACC tourney.
Grayson is not losing to UNC on his senior night. I think there is a good chance we win by double digits and I have not said that many times in this rivalry.
It would be very frustrating to get swept by the holes this season. I just feel Duke is more talented this season and UNC is not as good this year as they have been the past 2 years. I am still not a believer in UNC this year. I think they are a live by the 3 and die by the 3 team this year and that will hurt them in the post season against a pressing team with physical bigs.
What makes the holes so good is not talent but the fact that everyone knows their role and they play team ball.. probably more than any other team I've watched this year. They had 25 assists as a team last night against Cuse. (Not counting blown assists 
) I have to say they have impressed me this year.
) I have to say they have impressed me this year.Kind of sounds like our Duke team the last 4 games.What makes the holes so good is not talent but the fact that everyone knows their role and they play team ball.. probably more than any other team I've watched this year. They had 25 assists as a team last night against Cuse. (Not counting blown assists
What a difference winning just a few games makes on this board.
At this point I am telling myself if Bagley comes back great, if he doesn’t that is ok too. The kids that are playing now seem to be having fun and can make a deep run next month even without Bagley.
The team that has played the last 4 games can beat anyone in the country, let’s enjoy that and worry about the kids that are on the floor. Let’s Go Duke.
The team that has played the last 4 games can beat anyone in the country, let’s enjoy that and worry about the kids that are on the floor. Let’s Go Duke.
^ spot on duhondukie there is no sense in worrying about something not one of us have any control over. Let’s support our Blue Devils and hope for a deep NCAA Tournament Run which concludes on April 2nd in San Antonio on a good note.
He doesn’t look to pass like our role players? Lol that’s because he’s an all-american.... not a role player.
Bagley will learn the changes in defense quicker watching from the bench vs
being on the floor 35 minutes plus per game. I think he will be better, if possible when he returns. If I am right, DUKE will advance deep into the NCAA's and win the ACCT. Just an old fart's opinion.
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being on the floor 35 minutes plus per game. I think he will be better, if possible when he returns. If I am right, DUKE will advance deep into the NCAA's and win the ACCT. Just an old fart's opinion.
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I said it doesn’t make him a bad player to shhot a bunch. There is a limit to that though. He holds it too long, star or not.
Yea we were on a slide but that’s not his fault. The defense wasn’t good. We were still playing man. This team just doesn’t seem to be able to play good consistent man to man defense. Now we’re a zone team. We looked good playing zone against Virginia with him
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I mean if you are dead set on being wrong that’s all I can do
Carter passes and he's not a role player. What Duke has going right now is working, and if Bagley can come in and share the ball as well scoring, Duke will be better.
If Duke passes the ball inside to any of the big men on a consistent basis we are toast. Manly is improving but has miles to go to compete with your bigs. If GA is on from the 3 point area we are toast. Lots of toast to eat on Duke's senior night, I would be very surprised if we stay close so I am expecting not much. It would be neat however to meet up down the road in the ACCT or even the FF. Think of the later, we would all go nuts.
That was almost a full season. A little different. If you watched a game that first month of the season you could clearly tell we were better with Kyrie.
We’re definitely playing well without Bagley. That’s impossible to argue. I still point to this team being the best team efficiently Duke has ever had with him in the lineup, though.
I still question the zone. But it’s a reality. We’re better as a zone team, clearly. I still fear a team that hits outside shots, though. Virginia Tech and UNC will be tough beats if they’re shooting well.
I still question the zone. But it’s a reality. We’re better as a zone team, clearly. I still fear a team that hits outside shots, though. Virginia Tech and UNC will be tough beats if they’re shooting well.
Lastly, we could win six in a row without Bagley. We have a better chance with him, though, too.
One thing that is assured....it will be dissected however things pan out.
One thing that is assured....it will be dissected however things pan out.
Agree we were better at the begging of the year with him. End of the year he shoulda been a reserve or played off nolan as pg. Threw off chemistry and destroyed Nolan for whatever reason
You can argue that it messed up Nolan a bit, but remember Kyrie actually was coming off the bench in all 3 of our tournament games, none of which Nolan played very well. Kyrie played 20ish min in the first two and then 31min against zona. Kyle, Who for his standards actually struggled offensively for a large chunk of the year actually shot the ball decently well in the tournament. In our game against Zona, we shot it just fine, we got out rebounded heavily and let’s face it, in a OAD tournament, this can happen- your opponent just goes bonkers. They shot i want to say 55% or so for the game and i know they were at least 60% from deep. Derrick Williams who did have a great year, was lights out in that game. The three he hit to end the first half was a really bad omen. He was a couple feet behind the line and nailed it over an outstretched 6’11” Ryan Kelly. You just had that feeling it wouldn’t be our day.
Saying we shouldn’t have brought back Kyrie just screams hindsight bias. If we didn’t bring him back and still lost, K would have been KILLED for the move especially by a lot of posters on here. That team was special before Kyrie got hurt and if I remember correctly, K even mentioned in the past that team had a chance to run the table if Kyrie didn’t get hurt. This wasn’t adding some random talent to the rotation. We saw how potentially dominant that team could be with him.
Maybe. I just think we could of done it better. As did 90% of people at the time
I like getting all of the best recruits every year and the best recruits wouldn't want to come play for a coach that sits down a healthy OAD superstar because of "team chemistry."
So can we all be happy with our 2015 title because of recruiting and stop debating Kyrie? It's over, he played and it was the right move.
So can we all be happy with our 2015 title because of recruiting and stop debating Kyrie? It's over, he played and it was the right move.
IMO it comes down to how the coaching staff handles Bagley when he returns.
It is hard not to hand the ball back to your most talented player.
I will always believe the staff made a mistake with Irving. We weren't better without him...but I honestly believe we would've been better if the staff fit him into the team that was rolling instead of giving him full control.
Bagley is a bad defender...not average...bad. If his minutes were cut after coming back, at least his effort on both ends could be 100% and the team dynamic could stay the same while adding a top end player to the rotation.
It is hard not to hand the ball back to your most talented player.
I will always believe the staff made a mistake with Irving. We weren't better without him...but I honestly believe we would've been better if the staff fit him into the team that was rolling instead of giving him full control.
Bagley is a bad defender...not average...bad. If his minutes were cut after coming back, at least his effort on both ends could be 100% and the team dynamic could stay the same while adding a top end player to the rotation.
Agree told my wife we were in trouble when that sshot went in.Had the same feeling when Dennis Smith hit that three last year before halftime
I don't think so. You scoffed at the notion about Bagley passing the ball, because he's an All American. So it was brought to your attention that others on the team share the ball.
No, I scoffed at the notion that he doesn't pass the ball "like our role players" uhhh yeah no shit, that's why they are called role players.
As usual though, the ship sailed while you stood on the dock. DukeDenver brought up a good point. Duke has a different look over the last 4 games, more similar to years past. It's called ball movement. No one is saying Bagley shouldn't shoot. He's a really good player. But quite a few people, and several tv analysts are liking Duke's play as of late.
