SEC completely curbstomped our conference …
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And yet, how many times have we seen March reveal a very different outcome regarding conference performance?
I'd rather the ACC win 2 games and one of those be a Duke win over winning 14 and a Duke loss.
I think we are finally seeing the effects of the fact that SEC football prints money and you can only build so many new football locker rooms/facilities. Those schools are starting to put that money into the basketball programs: a lot of the big time transfers chose SEC schools, and most of those schools have more NIL money than anyone.
I'm worried about the ACC (if it's even a conference in 10 years) but will UVA ever be good again without Bennett??? Syracuse lost Boeheim. ND lost Brey. UL has been a disaster for a few years now. FSU hasn't been good for a few years (Hamilton retires this year I bet.) We are a poor conference compared to the other big boys due to lack of football dominance. And our commissioner signed the worst television contract in the history of NCAA television contracts.
I think we are finally seeing the effects of the fact that SEC football prints money and you can only build so many new football locker rooms/facilities. Those schools are starting to put that money into the basketball programs: a lot of the big time transfers chose SEC schools, and most of those schools have more NIL money than anyone.
I'm worried about the ACC (if it's even a conference in 10 years) but will UVA ever be good again without Bennett??? Syracuse lost Boeheim. ND lost Brey. UL has been a disaster for a few years now. FSU hasn't been good for a few years (Hamilton retires this year I bet.) We are a poor conference compared to the other big boys due to lack of football dominance. And our commissioner signed the worst television contract in the history of NCAA television contracts.
1. Very embarrassing -- as in, Tuesday night might be the worst regular-season day for ACC basketball in its history.
2. Get better?
I've spent a lot of time and oxygen defending the ACC over the last couple of years but this just seems indefensible. The ACC is 3-26 this season against the SEC. If I get the time, I'll look up the head-to-heads against other power conferences -- I'm guessing it's not quite that ugly, but still on the wrong side of .500.
As @DukeDallas9192011015 points out, the coaching talent has dried up. That, plus the financial deficit, is why the league is where it is. I'm not sure there's a solution other than ACC schools doing what the SEC did 7-8 years ago, which has essentially boiled down to pouring more money into its basketball programs.
Agree with @DukeDallas9192011015. It's like the SEC has more money than they know what to do with, so they gave their basketball programs some of it.
It's been documented -- written about extensively here, if you have a sub to The Athletic.
Basically, in Greg Sankey's first year as SEC commissioner, they had 3 teams make the NCAAT (2016).
So, Sankey hired two former Big East guys -- former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese as a consultant, then appointed Dan Leibovitz, a former NBA and college coach, the czar of SEC men’s basketball.
They, along with the influx of cash, have been the driving reason for the SEC's surge.
YUUUUUP.
Which is why I thought it was absurd for some Duke fans (on Twitter) to say they didn't care how the ACC did in the Challenge.
Duke beat the team with the best resume in the country last night and its margin for error to get a 1- or 2-seed probably *decreased* because of what the rest of the ACC did this week.
Duke will be fine as long as it can avoid the bad losses. No more going to Georgia Tech or some such and losing.
This is a young team, feeling pretty good about themselves right now. Can they stay focused and take care of business? We should know a lot more after the Louisville game this weekend.
This is a young team, feeling pretty good about themselves right now. Can they stay focused and take care of business? We should know a lot more after the Louisville game this weekend.
I hear you. But it's hard for even the veteran teams to go through a 20-game league schedule without a "bad" loss.
UNC last year won the most ACC games since the league went to the 20-game slate (started in 2019-20 season), and that was 17-3 with losses at Georgia Tech and Syracuse, and at home to the team they beat like 63 straight times in Chapel Hill or whatever (Clemson).
ACC is the fifth best conference right now. I would say ACC is little better than the West Coast Conference. They are most definitely behind SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and Big East. The ACC has two legitimate teams in Duke and Clemson. I would assume UNC will rebound and make the tournament. But after that the rest of the conference has an uphill battle to make it with how bad it is. There will be only a few Quad 1 or 2 games when conference games start. Embarrassing
I agree with all of this except I'd throw in Pitt as a legitimate team. Three wins against P5 teams -- WVU, LSU, Ohio State -- and their last couple of seasons under Capel gives them the benefit of the doubt, IMO, in spite of laying an egg at Mississippi State.
Pitt is always a bubble team though and I feel any ACC bubble team will definitely be left out this season. Pitt has to have a great ACC record to get off the bubble and not be in question. Can they do it? Not sure especially after getting blown out by 30 to an average Mississippi State team. I thought Pitt would have won that game. Not a great showing at all.
I believe we will need to go 17-3 at the minimum in ACC play to be a 1-seed in the NCAA's. That would put us at 5 total losses, and we obviously have to beat Illinois in NYC. 18-2 would definitely work too. It's been a long time though since Duke has dominated conference play like that.
Undefeated at home, and win most of our road games will be the formula. @ Wake, @ Clemson, @ UVA, @ Miami, and @ UNC look to be our toughest games. I know, Miami is awful right now, but still a tough place for us over the years.
Undefeated at home, and win most of our road games will be the formula. @ Wake, @ Clemson, @ UVA, @ Miami, and @ UNC look to be our toughest games. I know, Miami is awful right now, but still a tough place for us over the years.
Pitt was a bubble team the last two years because its non-conference strength of schedule was putrid (249th and 340th, KenPom).
This year, because they've gone out and played a bunch of P5s, it's 37th. That can change over the next three months but it's not going to fall all the way to where it's been.
So, if they're a bubble team -- I don't think they will be -- they'll get some preferential treatment because they challenged themselves with a tough non-conference schedule.
But the reality is they've positioned themselves better to be in the field barring a collapse in ACC play; the same way Clemson did last year when it was a 6-seed despite finishing 6th in the ACC.
This year, because they've gone out and played a bunch of P5s, it's 37th. That can change over the next three months but it's not going to fall all the way to where it's been.
So, if they're a bubble team -- I don't think they will be -- they'll get some preferential treatment because they challenged themselves with a tough non-conference schedule.
But the reality is they've positioned themselves better to be in the field barring a collapse in ACC play; the same way Clemson did last year when it was a 6-seed despite finishing 6th in the ACC.
This is a good thread. Yep, the ACC got absolutely trashed by the SEC. The SEC is going to do that to the other conferences as well. They had the luxury of being King of the main money sport (Football). Now they're putting resources into Bball and it's showing, big time.
Nothing can be done about the results of the challenge now. Duke just needs to keep winning. This is a championship caliber team and if they do what they're supposed to do (WIN). Everything else will take care of itself.
Unfortunately, I believe the ACC's destiny has been written and it's just a matter of time before it dissolves.
Nothing can be done about the results of the challenge now. Duke just needs to keep winning. This is a championship caliber team and if they do what they're supposed to do (WIN). Everything else will take care of itself.
Unfortunately, I believe the ACC's destiny has been written and it's just a matter of time before it dissolves.
Like Neue stated, how many times have we seen the Big 12, Big 10, and/or SEC get double digit number of their respective conference teams into the tournament, but the majority of the Sweet 16 and later rounds of the NCAA Tournament are comprised of ACC Teams?
Just get the conference to the tourney and just like the last three years they will show why the ACC is top tier.
A lot of the fault has to fall at the feet of conference leadership, but at the end of the day football is the driver. How many times can you turn on an ACC football game and see a packed stadium? Clemson and FSU (when they're good). Even Miami had issues filling home games. You turn on an SEC or Big10 game and it's packed. Perception is reality. The fans can do as much for the basketball program as the football program by selling out Saturday's. That is how you build money for the war chest.
Signing day in football was this week. The SEC had 7 of the top 10 classes. Worth noting that the ACC has lost Coach K, Roy, Bennett and Boeheim in the last 5 years. That is 4 HOF coaches. FSU has been bad lately as well.
Chris is either ahead or behind.. never on time haha
Ok then I guarantee we will not lose today.
If Duke loses today then there are some serious issues in Durham haha
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