Oh Grayson...
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Murdering puppies is a sociopath - that's an awfully high bar if that's what you think it takes for someone to be mentally unstable. Grayson needs some serious time away from the court, he's got some significant issues well beyond a typical 20 y/o's.
Just saw the highlights. Dirty play of course, but the kid has some problems. This is an odd fetish to have on the basketball court. That may sound weird, but this activity is very strange.
Yea we saw your highlights also, I know it sucks Pitino pissed on ya'll.
I'm going to let this blow over before trying to engage on DI. Too many opportunists hanging about here.
Well, you all know me here. I bleed more Dark blue than you could ever know. I support every player we've ever had, even when they screw up. Usually a screw up turns into a learning experience and the player grows. I see no growth from Grayson. That was uncalled for. Pathetic. Humiliating. He has to be punished. He's hurting our team and Universities image. I'm so upset right now.
I completely agree 100%. To me, K sounded like nothing will be done as far as suspension and he didn't really care what anyone thought about that (which is fine - whatever). I feel like Grayson running stairs or sprints or getting chewed out whatever else is just absolutely not enough.
If K doesn't do something publicly (like a suspension), it makes it look like he - at best - isn't all that bothered by Grayson's actions and - at worst - condones this behavior. Grayson will probably face some kind of reprimand from the ACC, but it needs to come from K and if it doesn't (which seems likely), then I'm very disappointed with how K handles this pattern of behavior.
Having said all that, I can't imagine K playing Allen in the 2nd half and then suspending him a game afterwards...
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I dunno. He did say "we will do more." Taken at face value that's certainly not the same as "I'm not suspending him." Obviously , you could be right. I hope you're not. One thing was obvious though...K was definitely telling the media that HE was the coach and HE makes those decisions. Makes sense , I suppose. Couldn't expect 'im to come out and take suggestions from fans and media on what the sanction should be. K owes me nuthin' and could care less about my opinion but I hope he hits Grayson pretty hard. No , Allen's not "mentally unstable" and needs to be drawn and quartered but he needs something significant. BTW....the first tarhole fan who whines about this I got 2 letters for ya...."P" and "J." ..
The slow start and now this, might have just ended his shot at the Naismith award. Oh well, all focus on team accomplishments now.
I'm guessing he was so emotional on the bench because he realized how bad he screwed up. He knows how big of a story this is going to be. His heartfelt apology means nothing right now because his past apologies seemed sincere as well. He needs to be suspended and I hope it comes from Coach K.
Ha ha, K saw it. I am sooooo pissed at the whole thing. Grayson has already been universally thought of as a dirty player because of tripping and then he does this??? I am still stunned that he even dared to go there again. He needs to be suspended for a while. He looked emotionally unstable on the bench. Sickening.
K post game sounded like a paterno press conference his last 5 years, and that's not good
That looks like a 9 year old having to truly apologize for the first time. Pathetic, grow up be a man
Grayson doesn't have mental problems, He has behavioral problems. He has probably never been told No in his life.
Ok, she reads this board. Her article references exactly what I said above.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...h-mike-krzyzewski-needs-suspend-grayson-allen
Man, this brought a lot of random shit talkers out. Some serious stupid being shown in this thread.
He is really immature. He is what... 21 years old? Once in a while immature, emotional, under-pressure 21 year olds do dumb crap. Sometimes it is even SUPER dumb crap. Usually they aren't on national tv when they do it. He hasn't learned to get himself under control yet; he has a lot of years to work on that, thankfully for him. The huge anger afterwards (anger is just another form of sadness) was clearly at himself. I am sure Grayson doesn't want to be this way, and I am sure he is more disappointed than any of us.
I also believe Coach should suspend him for a game or so, because discipline (and visible discipline) matters, but K has known Grayson for years and years. I have literally never spoken to him. However K decides to handle it, I hope it is the way that helps Grayson the most, and I will have to trust that it will be, since we will likely not be privy to most of the results of this.
I am at the point where I feel bad for Grayson. It is clearly something he doesn't have control of, and that is a terrible feeling. It is clearly something that has embarrassed him and everyone around him, and that is a terrible feeling. And he is experiencing all of this under intense public scrutiny that I doubt any 21 year old can really handle... And that makes the whole thing so much more difficult. As someone who had to work through an absolutely ferocious temper as an athlete, and who has experienced how difficult that can be and how you can fall prey to it over and over, even when you know better and even when you've worked to correct it, to grow up, I hope he gets the support and help he needs to work through this, not for our sakes, but for his own.
You know Grayson is waking up in just a shitty, dark, sad place today. I hope he can start taking steps back from it.
Edit: I should add... I don't approve of Grayson's dicky edge on the court. I've never had that, as a person or as an athlete, and I simply can't understand it. A number of athletes have that, and I've never gotten it. Most of them, thankfully, are mature enough that it doesn't come out like this... But most of them are also older.
He is really immature. He is what... 21 years old? Once in a while immature, emotional, under-pressure 21 year olds do dumb crap. Sometimes it is even SUPER dumb crap. Usually they aren't on national tv when they do it. He hasn't learned to get himself under control yet; he has a lot of years to work on that, thankfully for him. The huge anger afterwards (anger is just another form of sadness) was clearly at himself. I am sure Grayson doesn't want to be this way, and I am sure he is more disappointed than any of us.
I also believe Coach should suspend him for a game or so, because discipline (and visible discipline) matters, but K has known Grayson for years and years. I have literally never spoken to him. However K decides to handle it, I hope it is the way that helps Grayson the most, and I will have to trust that it will be, since we will likely not be privy to most of the results of this.
I am at the point where I feel bad for Grayson. It is clearly something he doesn't have control of, and that is a terrible feeling. It is clearly something that has embarrassed him and everyone around him, and that is a terrible feeling. And he is experiencing all of this under intense public scrutiny that I doubt any 21 year old can really handle... And that makes the whole thing so much more difficult. As someone who had to work through an absolutely ferocious temper as an athlete, and who has experienced how difficult that can be and how you can fall prey to it over and over, even when you know better and even when you've worked to correct it, to grow up, I hope he gets the support and help he needs to work through this, not for our sakes, but for his own.
You know Grayson is waking up in just a shitty, dark, sad place today. I hope he can start taking steps back from it.
Edit: I should add... I don't approve of Grayson's dicky edge on the court. I've never had that, as a person or as an athlete, and I simply can't understand it. A number of athletes have that, and I've never gotten it. Most of them, thankfully, are mature enough that it doesn't come out like this... But most of them are also older.
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There is no reason these two or their situations need to be compared or even in the same sentence. And sure a reporter said the same thing. That's super sensationalistic and will grab some internet clicks no doubt when the headline screams "Coach K and Joe Paterno ____."
Grayson tripping people and acting like a moron and then K letting him play and Joe Paterno allowing a disgusting, ILLEGAL activity to occur are nowhere the same and it diminishes what happened to those boys when statements like this are made. No place for it.
Time for K to make a statement and if he would have left him in the lock room after the half and called punishment the basketball would be singing his praises last night and it would be a closed case!
What needs to happen is , refs suspend him after a technical, just like throwing a punch. If he knew this, that would end this problem. Temper tantrums on the sideline are not impressive either.
Thanks Hoke, I appreciate it.I did add a little edit at the end… Feel free to remove the like if it goes against it
Nope still like it. Some guys thrive in it and it makes them better players than they otherwise would be (see: Russell Westbrook, Michael Jordan etc.).
When this has become a thing that you do and let's not play coy, it is an unsafe thing at that, you need a different schtick. You can play like a jerk and make it work for you and your team. The way Grayson has done it recently has not been in his team's best interest.
I think the refs could have gone with the Flagrant 2 instead of the technical. It was a blatant move and probably would have helped solve the the whole thing.
You have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not referencing what happened with Sandusky. I'm talking about paterno being old, defensive, and naive as a coach his last 5-7 years. At post game remarks and press conferences he would stubbornly defend his team , his actions, and the program when you could tell it wasn't working, kids were constantly getting in trouble and the bar he set wasn't being met by him or his players. The fact you took it straight to the illegal activities is terrible.
K said he's doing a everything correctly and will continue to do everything correctly, and he doesn't need to listen to anyone else. That is extremely ignorant on his part. He sounded like an old man that doesn't care about anything but winning. K being lenient on Grayson should apologize because his lack of discipline has caused embarrassment to all involved with duke. Grayson deserves the vast majority of blame but k does a little too.
Paterno did more good for Penn state than k has for duke and that's saying a lot. Referencing him should not go straight to the scandal. I'm appalled you took it there when i made no reference of it.
Well, one thing is for sure....
UNC sure is grateful Grayson gave the media something else to talk about other than their third NOA.
UNC sure is grateful Grayson gave the media something else to talk about other than their third NOA.
This with an additional one game suspension vs vtech. 90% of the BS would be over with.
Ok suspend him five games is the incident gonna go away after? No!
I'm sorry Green is what, 25 and he still averages atleast two nutt punches a season as a professional.
So the kid has tripping issues and is mentally unstable? Lol does he also run around and do it on campus? I agree on all fronts on the suspension the play was over and he stuck his foot out. But to say he's mentally unstable over it. He's still a young man.
As far as it being blasted, yes we as fans put the kid on a pedestal with all the award watches how our opinions are of how kids should play. Would this even be a topic if Duke wasn't on tv every week? No it wouldn't instead people would just be saying next play.
Suspend him one game or two he already got a technical and will be on sports center and college basketball live. The kid will get chastised enough. Lord knows if people think he needs help for that tantrum why didn't more of you give advise with Artest and Rodman lord knows they made millions in the league and acted like complete crazys
I'm sorry Green is what, 25 and he still averages atleast two nutt punches a season as a professional.
So the kid has tripping issues and is mentally unstable? Lol does he also run around and do it on campus? I agree on all fronts on the suspension the play was over and he stuck his foot out. But to say he's mentally unstable over it. He's still a young man.
As far as it being blasted, yes we as fans put the kid on a pedestal with all the award watches how our opinions are of how kids should play. Would this even be a topic if Duke wasn't on tv every week? No it wouldn't instead people would just be saying next play.
Suspend him one game or two he already got a technical and will be on sports center and college basketball live. The kid will get chastised enough. Lord knows if people think he needs help for that tantrum why didn't more of you give advise with Artest and Rodman lord knows they made millions in the league and acted like complete crazys
Agree with your post but, you speak of feroscious temper, you me Grayson and many many others on the board and sports have temper issues with sports. You want to punch the opposition, coaches, fans, even your own teammates. But guess what, you don't.
Grayson on the other hand takes it out by kicking and tripping opponents. I could handle the emotional spoiled Beaty outburst with a one game suspension, but his kicking tripping is a big issue that needs serious help.
Worst thing is that it deflects the fact that UNC got another NOA.I hope that Grayson gets a well deserved suspension but it totally pisses me off that UNC fans are trying to claim any moral superiority.Forget about 25 years of cheating,two of DES players beat the hell out of aNC State student in a Raleigh bar They got a one game suspension btw the student they beat was a really small guy
Thought about this overnight after witnessing the meltdown from just a few feet away & viewing on DVR this morning. IMO, the tantrum was far worse in person than tv captured. Scheyer attempted to grab GA but couldn't & it became cringe worthy. The trip was bad enough but the tantrum far more disturbing & clearly affected the team. K will handle it & no outside pressure will sway his decision.
Grayson's body language after the incident was terrible & finished with 3 points. He drives the lane completely out of control, leaves his feet too far from the basket & jumper isn't falling. His head ain't right & something must be done.
Grayson's body language after the incident was terrible & finished with 3 points. He drives the lane completely out of control, leaves his feet too far from the basket & jumper isn't falling. His head ain't right & something must be done.
Whatever punishment is handed down is going to be nowhere near the punishment he receives by reading social media, being trolled by opposing fans, and whatever else is yelled at him for months/years to come. Sitting out for the next month still wouldn't compare. I hope he receives a harsh punishment, not necessarily because he deserves it, but because it will calm down alot of the sensationalists, and in turn, will hopefully make it easier for him to adjust back to normal basketball life. I think its going to be hard on him because he doesn't relish the role of villain the way some of his predecessors did.
And let's have some perspective here. What Grayson did was dirty. He deserves alot of criticism the way Ndamukong Suh got labeled as a dirty player for stomping on people, taking cheap shots, etc. But it was also reactionary, and not especially dangerous. The kid isn't a criminal, and as far as I know, has never injured anyone. Cheap shots are taken to the head, face, and groin all the time in basketball. Players bump, hit, and check other players often times with the intent to injure or harm the other player. Michael Floyd blows a .217 BAC and no one has a problem with it. Heck, Bill Belichick gives him a roster spot and is lauded a genius.
My advice, lay down the pitchforks, and have a little perspective. We can chide Grayson for his behavior, and we shouldn't make excuses for it. But if we start sensationalizing it, we are only giving more ammo to the media hype machine.
And let's have some perspective here. What Grayson did was dirty. He deserves alot of criticism the way Ndamukong Suh got labeled as a dirty player for stomping on people, taking cheap shots, etc. But it was also reactionary, and not especially dangerous. The kid isn't a criminal, and as far as I know, has never injured anyone. Cheap shots are taken to the head, face, and groin all the time in basketball. Players bump, hit, and check other players often times with the intent to injure or harm the other player. Michael Floyd blows a .217 BAC and no one has a problem with it. Heck, Bill Belichick gives him a roster spot and is lauded a genius.
My advice, lay down the pitchforks, and have a little perspective. We can chide Grayson for his behavior, and we shouldn't make excuses for it. But if we start sensationalizing it, we are only giving more ammo to the media hype machine.
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