Oh Grayson...
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It was pathetic K played him in the second half, imo.
I'd be careful making judgments there... We don't know what K actually saw, or if he saw a replay, or what. I think it is worth giving Coach the benefit of the doubt a bit, no?
Regardless, K knew Grayson tried to trip him and he knew it was his third offense. It'll be interesting to see K's response. He already commented that it was inexcusable.
I agree. I'm in the camp that didn't think he should have played in the second half, but at the same time, I don't pretend to know what was said to him by the staff, either. I'll just assume in this instance that K knows more and is better equipped to handle it than I am.
Besides, this might not be aired out in public. Grayson will almost certainly be suspended, but I don't think you'll see much come out of the basketball office --- whether that be from players or the staff.
I'm not pretending to know what was or wasn't said to him during the half - Just that I don't think K should have allowed him to play in the second.
Definitely one of the dumbest things he could have done but hell the Oklahoma football player broke 4 damn bones in a girls face and Draymond Green kicks players nuts into there throat and they haven't got the backlash from the media that Grayson's getting. It was stupid and boneheaded but he didn't hurt no one. Media acts like he f'ing stabbed someone.
I agree. Doesn't suggest much discipline for sportsmanship.
Coach K damn sure saw Grayson's behavior on the bench. That IMO was enough to sit him out second half no matter what he did or did not see of the trip.
Respect the hell out of K but I am giving my opinion that I do not respect his decision in this case.
I hate it, I'm not proud. But I fully support Gray. The outburst looked pathetic but it also showed he immediately knew how bad he screwed up. I'm confused how he could let it happen AGAIN tho.
It's not surprising how big of a story it is, but that should tell you just how big of a story everything Duke is. Unreal.
Jay Williams WAS my all time fav Dukie, that's slowly turned into a dislike. He obviously Welcome to his opinion, but why not offer some insight and guidience as an alum instead of sounding like Fing Hubert Davis talking about Duke. F Jays ESPN face
It's not surprising how big of a story it is, but that should tell you just how big of a story everything Duke is. Unreal.
Jay Williams WAS my all time fav Dukie, that's slowly turned into a dislike. He obviously Welcome to his opinion, but why not offer some insight and guidience as an alum instead of sounding like Fing Hubert Davis talking about Duke. F Jays ESPN face
This is Grayson's third offense. That would be my argument. He clearly has some issues and the prior incidents did nothing to deter him tonight. It's very frustrating.
I'm surprised at how many people can't figure out what Grayson was mad about!!! It wasn't real pleasant on the eyes, but it also wasn't some disrespectful rant at the refs or coach(es)
He needs some help for sure but he needs to be held accountable. Game suspensions is a must. Chewing him out, running the stairs is just not gonna get it. Feeling bad about it is not gonna get it. Apologizing is not gonna get it. He needs to be in a dress suit with a tie own and watch. OFC
I don't understand why people are always so hesitant to question the decisions of Coach K, or any coach for that matter, just because you're not that person or coaching at that level. Is Coach K, or any other coach in college basketball for that matter, perfect? No. Just because you have experience and qualifications to be one of the best ever at your job doesn't mean you're never wrong or that people don't have the right to question your decisions.
I know it was frustration at himself. However, that does not make it the right behavior. I would have had an even bigger problem - personally - if he sat like an emotionless lump.
In that sense I am glad he showed emotion - it means he is not devoid of the knowledge that what he did was wrong. But the tantrum was too much IMO to let the kid play - just being sorry is not good enough IMO. That said I am going to lay off Allen. I hope he gets this monkey off his back.
Grayson had a chance to get the monkey off his back. Now he has a gorilla
Not only that but it looks bad on Duke! It also costed us what looked like what was going to be a promising run. Furthermore here comes the whole "this is what Duke teaches" Mantra!
I totally agree with you. Jay Williams also forgets about his off court instances that cost him his NBA career!
Yeah but Duke is constantly held up as one of the few schools above win at all cost. If this kid doesn't get some sort of suspension, then it will be a sign that maybe Duke is not that different from a lot of other schools
Do yourselves a favor and don't rationalize this. It's the third time, it's a bad look for the program, and there's going to be a ton of shit slung at Grayson and K for playing him. Don't take the bait from the opposing fanbases because there literally is no defense for this. Very disappointed right now.
I was sitting 10 feet from the trip. Santa grabbed his arm a few times prior to that but nothing that deserved the leg drag. Grayson plays as if the world is against him. It's the source of his greatness and makes him act like a jerk when the ball isn't going in. He needs to totally own up this time and not hide behind being a target for rough play.
I do to Sky. I feel like we really lost tonight as fans because of our disappointment in Grayson.
I don't necessarily agree with K's post game comments..
Apologizing and acknowledging you made a mistake isn't all that required here IMO...
Allen should be disciplined here..not from the ACC but from Coach..JMO
Apologizing and acknowledging you made a mistake isn't all that required here IMO...
Allen should be disciplined here..not from the ACC but from Coach..JMO
Like DukeDenver...I was right behind the bench as well....Grayson was 100% wrong, but to me it looked reactionary as the Elon kid locked his arm up in an attempt to sell the foul...totally bad optics
We are all human and we think and make decisions in micro seconds (and combine that with emotion) and some times we eff up and in that instance we realize it. I think right off the bat he knew it and I think something was said by one of the Elon players. If you have it taped you can actually rewind hear someone say "stop talking sh!t". So I think combining all of that he made a bad decision, regretted it right off and was probably in denial at the same time (mixed emotions). Obviously K know his guys better than we do but as an outsider looking in I would have sat him in the second half too. I hope he is hurt and embarrassed and grows and learns from this and becomes better for it.
Okay, stop now. The kid isn't "mentally unstable." Anyone saying that has no idea what mentally unstable looks like. He is being an immature idiot. The blow up on the bench was just a typical immature angry outburst. But he isn't murdering puppies or anything.
Correct but there's about 5,000 otherD1 bball players not having this issue. It's not because duke is under a microscope, it's because Grayson has an issue. I got no clue what it is or how to fix it, but it's clear he has one.
So I'm 5 rows behind Duke bench, Grayson blatantly trips opposing guard, screams F--- toward bench & throws a full blown temper tantrum when T is called. Very nice for all the families in attendance.
K must suspend him, Grayson is embarrassing the program.
K must suspend him, Grayson is embarrassing the program.
Oh, I agree. But folks are literally saying stupid stuff like "OMG he is a sociopath!" No, he is a kid who is clearly really immature and has something going on. It sucks, and he needs help and support to work through it, but he isn't about to check into a mental hospital, you know?
I didn't get to see much of the game but I'll say this. Some here may differ with me and that's fine. To me , it's immaterial whether or not the game was needlessly physical or chippy or whatever. Stuff happens. Adapt. No excuse for what he did out there. On Twitter , I immediately fell into the "JWill says 5 games" camp. I can see it and don't feel it unduly harsh. Most don't seem to agree with me suggesting only 1 or 2 games at max. I dunno. Pretty egregious move on GA's part. And not fer nuthin' but he should zero contrition for it on the bench. Honestly , I thought he was acting like the "B" word and that's troubling. Also , if K doesn't step up and sanction Grayson immediately ( regardless of the penalty ) rather than waiting on the ACC to do it , I'll find that troubling as well.
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