Yeah Shey an what would you do on a country road in the middle of nowhere.Most people tint windows for a reason. They don't want you to see inside.Walk up to the door an it pops open ,bang you are dead with your gun in the holster. Cops have to be prepared for all situations,Nolan would have been better off to let this drop. what does he do he wants to draw attention to himself,an black america who mostly think the cops are after them.He maybe should have called Al Sharpton. But Al wouldn't have come,there would have been no riot,an he couldn't make a penny without instigating.
Nolan allegedly mistreated by Durham police
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Dark tinted windows must be the thing down with the younger crowd. I see a few around town. You really can't see inside at all. I have seen drivers get out and some of them are white guys, Latinos also. Am I being politically correct as that changes from time to time. You got to be real careful about that now. Just like I said in an earlier post on this thread if I had something illegal on my vehicle and knew it was so I would expect to be stopped except I would pull over right away and to me if Nolan had done just that all would have been fine. Making way too much of this guys. OFC
That's called profiling. Most of your luxury cars come with tent in the 20%. Lexus, Mercedes, and even the newer mustangs, camaros and chargers. The law in North Carolina states 35% however as long as it is above twenty usually don't get a ticket. Also it's common sense if your on a dark back road in the country with no back up why would you do a traffic stop in the first place? I'm going home at the end of my watch
All this lip service paid to respecting police, respecting police, respecting police, and when an actual cop shows up, he gets the third degree from people who apparently want to respect their own imagined version of police more than the real thing.
I wonder if it's time to lock this one up. It's not getting anywhere, it's getting away from sports and it's getting a little to some harshness among Duke fans that shouldn't be here. At least move it to The Lounge since that seems to have become the place that topics like this is discussed. OFC
sheyduke shows up, identifies himself as a cop, and corrects the idea that tinted windows are a good reason for pulling a gun. He then gets told he has a different standard than other LEO, that he must work in some podunk Mayberryesque town where he has the "luxury" of not having to, and then he is patronized w/ this country road what-would-you-do scenario.
A cop is politely telling some of us we're wrong and we're presuming to know more than he does about his job.
Well dattier, I never said tinted windows were a good reason for pulling a gun. And I don't think that Sheyduke took my comments quite as personal as you did. If he did, I will apologize to him. I feel like our interaction has been pretty professional. I do not presume to know more about his job than he does, but I do have direct knowledge of the field. After re-reading my comment about working in a town with no crime, I still don't see where I was being disrespectful especially when you consider the context. There is nothing wrong with having different standards by the way.
Either way, Sheyduke doesn't serve my community, but I thank him for serving his.
Either way, Sheyduke doesn't serve my community, but I thank him for serving his.
There is no reason to lock up the thread and this topic has pros and cons.
My point is just this. While it's admirable that a lot feel that police have the right to pull their guns when they feel it's necessary the circumstance don't warrant it and a lot of states have impacts where operating procedures are the same believe it or not.
It doesn't matter to the size of community or state.
I've trained dozens of officers from here, Florida and Tennessee and to Nevada. If the situation called for the pulling of their side arm first thing taught, you never leave cover with your weapons drawn unless it's an active shooter or a person posing a deadly threat to yourself or others. None of that happened. There is a reason u teach felony traffic stops and preach excessive force.
At the end like stated, the officers felt the need to draw their side arms and Nolan felt the need to blast them on Twitter. It happens all the time
Letsgoduke, I am interested in knowing what ur direct knowledge of the job is?
My point is just this. While it's admirable that a lot feel that police have the right to pull their guns when they feel it's necessary the circumstance don't warrant it and a lot of states have impacts where operating procedures are the same believe it or not.
It doesn't matter to the size of community or state.
I've trained dozens of officers from here, Florida and Tennessee and to Nevada. If the situation called for the pulling of their side arm first thing taught, you never leave cover with your weapons drawn unless it's an active shooter or a person posing a deadly threat to yourself or others. None of that happened. There is a reason u teach felony traffic stops and preach excessive force.
At the end like stated, the officers felt the need to draw their side arms and Nolan felt the need to blast them on Twitter. It happens all the time
Letsgoduke, I am interested in knowing what ur direct knowledge of the job is?
Well said. In the interest of supporting certain things -- LEO, in this instance -- we sometimes err on the side of trust, at the expense of accountability. When we hold individuals to the highest reasonable standard, that is the ultimate in supporting and respecting the profession itself. I generally consider "insider" opinions to carry more weight, particularly when they are unapologetic and hold peers accountable. Here, an LEO holding his profession to high standards is an example. Elsewhere, teachers who are critical of potential tenure abuses or Warren Buffet's stance on taxes would be other examples.
LetsGo, I disagree with you and will say so, but I'm not taking it personally.
Sheyduke, not much to argue with your stance on when and how officers use their weapons. The only thing that you have said that threw me sideways is that restraint has nothing to do with it. It is of my opinion that restraint has everything to do with it. When you talk of felony stops, that is a situation where the officers are prepared prior to exiting the vehicle. Not all situations that involve the use of weapons present themselves prior to an officer walking up to the subject's window. But we've spoken on this issue and there is no need to beat a dead horse. Following procedure, as you have said, is crucial. But I also don't have a problem with the officers doing what they feel is necessary in each individual circumstance as long as they use restraint and do not cross the line. This is nothing further than my opinion and as they say. We all have one.
I agree with your position on the Nolan Smith situation. I just don't appreciate his motives, but at the same time, I do not know 100% what his motives were, I just believe I do.
As far as my knowledge of the field. I do have a degree in criminal justice, I do not have any experience as a cop. In fact, you as a cop might not like my former line of work. I was an investigator for the DA's office for 6 years. Some of the cases I worked involved officers who were accused of using excessive force. And I will say that the majority of those cases involved people who had their feelings hurt more than their rights violated. I also worked cases where cops who went beyond their line of duty to serve the people of their community and still got forced to resign over poor decisions. As bad things happen to good people, good people have been known to do bad things.
My brother has been a cop for over 20 years. He currently is part of a gang resistance unit and he does his job mostly on foot in the projects. Obviously he would have a more supported opinion than mine, but I have seen what goes on and base my opinions off of that.
I agree with your position on the Nolan Smith situation. I just don't appreciate his motives, but at the same time, I do not know 100% what his motives were, I just believe I do.
As far as my knowledge of the field. I do have a degree in criminal justice, I do not have any experience as a cop. In fact, you as a cop might not like my former line of work. I was an investigator for the DA's office for 6 years. Some of the cases I worked involved officers who were accused of using excessive force. And I will say that the majority of those cases involved people who had their feelings hurt more than their rights violated. I also worked cases where cops who went beyond their line of duty to serve the people of their community and still got forced to resign over poor decisions. As bad things happen to good people, good people have been known to do bad things.
My brother has been a cop for over 20 years. He currently is part of a gang resistance unit and he does his job mostly on foot in the projects. Obviously he would have a more supported opinion than mine, but I have seen what goes on and base my opinions off of that.
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Like your brother I do gangs and the town I patrol is mostly projects. Gangs and narcotics are my area of expertise along with firearms and my four legged partner.
At the end of the day. Both parties involved probably regret the situation. Unles the cops were Tar Heel fans, lol just joking
I have a degree in criminal justice as well. Really like are DA investigator down here he's awesome. As far as the felony stop I see your point and that being said I've just never known any one to rush a car from behind cover due to the car being a weapon which is why I brought up the felony stop its used in a lot of incidents.
Like your brother I do gangs and the town I patrol is mostly projects. Gangs and narcotics are my area of expertise along with firearms and my four legged partner.
At the end of the day. Both parties involved probably regret the situation. Unles the cops were Tar Heel fans, lol just joking
I bet you are right about that Shey.
There is not much else to be said on this subject, but it was nice hearing different point of views on issues like these without anyone getting too personal.
Stay safe in your travels and have a great summer.
There is not much else to be said on this subject, but it was nice hearing different point of views on issues like these without anyone getting too personal.
Stay safe in your travels and have a great summer.
