Lack of Institutional Control in Chapel Hill

[Devilinside]

While they'll never be able to prove with hard evidence that Ol' Roy and other basketball officials knew about it and funneled players into that dept. (and likely encouraged the AFAM employees to keep it going), it's quite clear to anyone with half a brain that they were involved for at least a few years in the middle of all the cheating.

Their not gonna get the death penalty, but I imagine they'll get dinged pretty hard for claiming ignorance in the face of such widespread fraud. We'll know in March or April 2016.

Depends on what standard of proof is required. Obviously, they cannot prove it "beyond a shadow of a doubt" which is the standard in a criminal trial. However, in my mind and if I were a juror, the circumstantial evidence that Roy knew about and participated in what was going on is overwhelming. On top of tat, Rashad McCants, who had nothing to gain personally by coming clean, except his self-respect, unequivocally testified that Roy was responsible for manipulating certain of his classes so that he could remain eligible for tournament play. Roy is a cheater, plain and simple. Don't like or respect the hypocrite.

 

[timo0402]

Roy got off scot-free in that NOA, he has to be doing cartwheels. I think you'll see the MBB team get minor minor penalties, maybe a few lost scholarships, but thats it. They won't get a post-season ban or any vacated victories. that NOA was weak in terms of how ambiguous and vague they were on them. Unfortunate, but the WBB will take the heat. IMO of course.

 

[DevilDJ]

Roy didn't get much mention but his program did. They're one in the same. They won't get what they deserve ( provided , of course , nothing changes between now and when the COI rules ) but they'll get a post-season ban. Problem is , it'll only be a year instead of the 3-5 seasons called for. Roy's got a veteran team so the NCAA will let unx into the post-season in '16. The ban will be for '17. They'll also get a few scholly losses and probation. Nuthin' major in a situation when unx's violations require just that...MAJOR sanctions.

 

[dukefan5151]

Completely disagree...similar things to a much smaller degree happened with Bowden & FSU and with Boeheim & Cuse...both programs had to vacate all years with players that cheated academically and we should expect the same for UNC...they have video interviews online with McCants talking about he never went to classes or did any work and got a 4.0 one semester lol

I do feel punishment will be severe due to outcry against NCAA if they fail to punish them appropriately though UNC will do their best to delay them as soon as possible (Cuse didn't get punishments till 4 years after their NOA likely due to lawyers delay tactics)

as for roy williams...he's a horrible coach that benefiting from UNC's bball reputation can't wait to see what he does with a bunch of Luke Mayes in the future...he will probably retire with a completely tarnished reputation

 

[DevilDJ]

Completely disagree...similar things to a much smaller degree happened with Bowden & FSU and with Boeheim & Cuse...both programs had to vacate all years with players that cheated academically and we should expect the same for UNC...they have video interviews online with McCants talking about he never went to classes or did any work and got a 4.0 one semester lol

I do feel punishment will be severe due to outcry against NCAA if they fail to punish them appropriately though UNC will do their best to delay them as soon as possible (Cuse didn't get punishments till 4 years after their NOA likely due to lawyers delay tactics)

as for roy williams...he's a horrible coach that benefiting from UNC's bball reputation can't wait to see what he does with a bunch of Luke Mayes in the future...he will probably retire with a completely tarnished reputation

Hey , I hope you're right. Thing is , the NCAA has given themselves an "out" of sorts. They've framed this as an "impermissible benefits" case rather than "academic fraud." Not sure the penalty matrix for one is the same as the other. "Impermissible benefits" doesn't necessarily equate to ineligible players which would lead to vacating games. Legalese , parsing of language , etc. It's sickening. unx deserves monumental sanctions. Just hope they get 'em. And , yeah , Roy IS a horrible coach. Mixed emotions about 'im. He gets canned , it's a huge story and the unx program is set back. The other side of that is if he's gone , unx might actually get a good coach. Six of one. This is way too serious anyway. Time for a meme. Lulz...