I LOVE CHRISTIAN LAETTNER
- Thread starter CRAZIE4LIFE
- Start date
Of course that's true. And thats why they also showed pictures of Wojo, Redick, and Scheyer. I just didn't like the tone of it. The commentary was basically that it was okay and understandable to hate him BECAUSE he was white. This should never be considered okay.
True enough.
Generalization warning:
That's the way it is though. The black kid at an all-white school likely has to deal with a decent amount of racism, but people generally will stick up for them. The white kid at an all-black school also deals with quite a bit of harassment or racism, and in general, people don't give a crap. Source: me.
The greatest ever bottom line. I am 52 yrs old so I remember Walton and Kareem. Still Laettner is the best. And best part of all is when you mention his name to a Kentucky fan, they curl up in the corner in the fetal position and start sucking their thumb!!!!
OFC
OFC
'The Right Blue', the documentary is meant to be as raw and real as it gets and some people just can't handle the truth, like yourself it seems.
The racial parts are some of the absolute most intriguing parts, and it needs to be shown sometimes to truly understand what was going on.
Sure, the black guys seemed pretty dang racist towards Duke and Christian, but Laett ate that stuff up and spit it right out in their faces, and that is the entire basis of describing just how tough Christian really was. It didn't bother him, so it doesn't bother me and if ure a true Duke fan(which I'm sure you are), you should eat the Duke hate up and spit it out in enjoyment as well.
I love the hate cause I'm almost a carbon copy of Laettner in that I enjoy the back and forty banter or shite talking cause I'm so competitive and was exactly like him when I played sports so I get it.
The day the hate stops is the day we stop being Duke, as the hate just means were still at the top and totally relevant.
Loved every second of that documentary.
This post was edited on 3/17 9:40 AM by shicashicu
The racial parts are some of the absolute most intriguing parts, and it needs to be shown sometimes to truly understand what was going on.
Sure, the black guys seemed pretty dang racist towards Duke and Christian, but Laett ate that stuff up and spit it right out in their faces, and that is the entire basis of describing just how tough Christian really was. It didn't bother him, so it doesn't bother me and if ure a true Duke fan(which I'm sure you are), you should eat the Duke hate up and spit it out in enjoyment as well.
I love the hate cause I'm almost a carbon copy of Laettner in that I enjoy the back and forty banter or shite talking cause I'm so competitive and was exactly like him when I played sports so I get it.
The day the hate stops is the day we stop being Duke, as the hate just means were still at the top and totally relevant.
Loved every second of that documentary.
This post was edited on 3/17 9:40 AM by shicashicu
One thing I kept thinking about while they were talking about Christian's antics toward team members (inbounding the ball to Hurley, slap fighting in the locker rooms, etc.) as well as the trouble he caused while in high school (fighting and attitude), is that I'm kinda surprised K recruited him. I'm not saying he shouldn't have, but that if a player was known to have an attitude problem and be the catalyst for huge high school brawls today, I can't see K recruiting them.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. I was surprised to see an all-out brawl during one of Laettner's high school games. I wonder if K looks at players like that nowadays.
I liked just about everything except that mousy-looking guy that had a shiny, sweaty chin. I think he went to UNC, he was a co-author of a silly nursery rhyme book with pop-up pictures about how he hates Duke. For some reason he seemed to show up a lot during the interview.
So now anytime a UK fan brings up "the stomp" we can just remind them of "the push." And then of course always mention "the shot" to follow up the conversation.
I was surprised to find out so many people like UNLV. Based on what they said earlier in the documentary and the fact that most people like to see successful teams fall, in my mind UNLV was the bully, not Laettner or Duke. What was different about UNLV 91 compared to the Patriots in 2007?
I guess to paraphrase what Laettner said: I'm not gonna try to figure out why you hate me, I'm just gonna use that to fuel me.
I guess to paraphrase what Laettner said: I'm not gonna try to figure out why you hate me, I'm just gonna use that to fuel me.
What the heck are you talking about? I can't handle the truth? I know exactly what was going on during those days. I'm just sick and tired of outlets like ESPN continuing to give low-life's like Jalen Rose and Michael Eric Dyson an outlet to spew out-and-out racism. I'm glad Laettner ate it up. Thats why he's great and Duke is great, but the documentary failed to demonstrate just how ridiculous the racism towards Laettner and Duke was in those days (and continues to be), instead making it out to be just.
I love Christian Laettner, but this is absurd.
I'd put Laettner in the top 5.
But, the top two CBB players of all-time are incontrovertible. They are 1a and 1b:
Lew Alcindor
Bill Walton
Walton had the greatest NCAA game of all-time, imo, against a very good Larry Kenon on Memphis, when he went 21-22 from the field.
Laettner could be #3.
But the 30 for 30 was fantastic. So great. Really love Laettner.
Really enjoyed the special on Laettner, brought back a lot of great memories. Hate can be such a strong word, and I just cannot understand anyone carrying that with them for all these years, over a BB game of all things. Remembering what someone did in a game of that magnitude is understandable, but hating them?
Anyway, when I saw K and Christian speaking of each other at the end, and the trouble they were having speaking, I was getting that "peeling onions" feeling.
I don't mind telling anyone "I love Christian Laettner" and I also love that team as my all time favorite Duke team!! Yes, I love you too "Bobby Hurley"!!!
Go Duke!!
JC-OFC
Anyway, when I saw K and Christian speaking of each other at the end, and the trouble they were having speaking, I was getting that "peeling onions" feeling.
I don't mind telling anyone "I love Christian Laettner" and I also love that team as my all time favorite Duke team!! Yes, I love you too "Bobby Hurley"!!!
Go Duke!!
JC-OFC
I like how everybody thought he was a spoiled rich kid, just the opposite. He worked his ass off. Brian Davis was absolutely fantastic in this. Hilarious about the gay issue. I actually did not expect ESPN to go there about the LSU game, but they did tell what they were chanting. Brian Davis talking mad smack about the Fab 5 being posers and him being more street than over half of them was cracking me up. Laettner was unique in so many ways. Yep , he was hard and obnoxious, but he was true to himself, hard working, dedicated and honest. And he NEVER let the talk get to him. STRONG.
You have to love how the two whiniest ass bitches in the video are unc and Maryland guys. The tarhole guy claiming he wanted to go down and punch Laettner in the face? Yeah, go for it. Good luck with that Opie.
I did put a tweet on Laettners account last night and he did favorite it. That was pretty cool.
I did put a tweet on Laettners account last night and he did favorite it. That was pretty cool.
Andy Bagnall, the guy who wanted to punch Laettner, sure did a wonderful job of making himself look like a complete tool. The level of hate for CL is what made him my favorite player of all time, in any sport.
My wife watched show and was laughing at how much Laettner could ingnite people.
I went to '89 Regional Final against G'town. Mourning was a monster that season and Laettner ate his lunch that day.
Didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you RightBlue, just that the black/white parts had to be told to lay the back story, not that the hate or racism is ok or cool. Of course its not ok, but it was the reality at the time.
Oh, and I Hate Jalen Rose too, just like he hates Christian Laettner. Really hate when they bring him in to do anything with college bball, as an analyst or even to here his opinion. Stay as a full time NBA analyst please Jalen, thank you.
Oh, and I Hate Jalen Rose too, just like he hates Christian Laettner. Really hate when they bring him in to do anything with college bball, as an analyst or even to here his opinion. Stay as a full time NBA analyst please Jalen, thank you.
I would agree that Kareem and Walton were better college players and there are probably a few more too. Laettner's stats are what give him the basis to be in the discussion at all. But as far as never seeing player X or Y, there are videos of almost all of these guys, especially Walton and Kareem. The only logical argument is that looking at one player you can just see he was better than the next guy. Yeah Walton had that great game against Memphis St, which I have watched before, and Laettner had his 20-20 night vs. Kentucky. But just because you watched them play at the time or watched them play on youtube shouldn't discount an opinion. But this is what makes the sport fun. Me and my team (of which I am the oldest, assistant coaches included) debated many times about the true greatness of Jordan and Bird etc, guys from my generation. While I defend them for the most part, I also see the merit in promoting a guy like LeBron who is going down as top 2 or 3 all time most likely. Point is...some of us young(er) guys are just as into the history of basketball as we are the current stars.
I have no doubt that if Laettner had played anywhere else he would have been (sports) hated by me. He was a prick. But he was our prick....and the fact that he also kicked everyone's ass only added fuel to the fire.
What the movie proved is just how much perception isn't reality. Like a poster above mentioned, Laettner and Davis were hardly privileged kids growing up. Neither was Bobby Hurley. But Laettner and Hurley were both white....so many assumed they were, in fact, privileged.
It should also be pointed that Duke has changed some in the last 25 years. My cousin graduated with Laettner, and she still maintains that in her four years at Duke the school morphed into something it wasn't perception-wise. People didn't care about Duke before they were winning. But all of a sudden this great academic institution that sometimes had good basketball teams was turning into a national power on the hardwood. She said the "hate" that transformed those four years was on another level. But she also admits that those Laettner teams played off the hate and like the villain role. It kind of wrote the book for future teams, as well.
What the movie proved is just how much perception isn't reality. Like a poster above mentioned, Laettner and Davis were hardly privileged kids growing up. Neither was Bobby Hurley. But Laettner and Hurley were both white....so many assumed they were, in fact, privileged.
It should also be pointed that Duke has changed some in the last 25 years. My cousin graduated with Laettner, and she still maintains that in her four years at Duke the school morphed into something it wasn't perception-wise. People didn't care about Duke before they were winning. But all of a sudden this great academic institution that sometimes had good basketball teams was turning into a national power on the hardwood. She said the "hate" that transformed those four years was on another level. But she also admits that those Laettner teams played off the hate and like the villain role. It kind of wrote the book for future teams, as well.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that the race aspect was real and should have had a place in the film, but my beef with it came in how it was presented. I thought the film tried to glorify and give credence to the race angle. it was basically saying Christian Laettner was white, so he couldn't possible be cool. Not to mention, some of the people they interviewed for this film are some of the worst excuses for human beings and had nothing to do with Laettner, himself. I think it was just sloppy, in that regard.
From what I heard, the original version of the film did not include any of these random people. When it was sent in to ESPN, they rebuffed, citing a lack of content. Because of this, the director decided to add in the "Youtube" guy, etc.
from a Kentucky fan I don't hate him hes one of the greatest players of all time in college,a big time winner.
Listened to an interview this morning with Coach K on the Colin Cowherd show. Colin ask Coach K about Laettner as a player and what it was like to coach him. Not his exact words but Coach K said he would love to coach Laettner forever. He had energy all the time. OFC
I didn't see the need for the "Duke Sucks" guy. I get what he was there to illustrate though: the nature of the hatred and the reality that people will manufacture reasons for it, and how vehemently they believe in those reasons. As the doc showed, the actual reasons are beyond obvious: he was a good looking guy who was better than you, knew it, and wanted to make sure you knew he knew it. And he always made the play, pretty much every time, which drove haters nuts. The sniveling Duke Sucks guy would never acknowledge those things, or what the amount of hatred he harbors illustrates. It says a hell of a lot more about him than it does about Laettner.
And I chuckled at the notion that he wanted to punch Laettner. I'm not going out on a limb by asserting that that decision would not have gone well for little Mr. Duke Sucks.
And I chuckled at the notion that he wanted to punch Laettner. I'm not going out on a limb by asserting that that decision would not have gone well for little Mr. Duke Sucks.
I didn't like the Duke Sucks guy either, what a joke, I would be embarrassed if I were him to be on TV and people view me in that light. On another note, I don't think I realized that Ken Jeong graduated from Duke. That guy is funny
Yes. Even the Maryland "Youtube" guy came across as the voice of reason compared to the UNC guy who claimed to want to punch Laettner in the face. It was just silly to have a guy who's so disconnected from reality that he'd even allow himself to utter the words "Laettner was a pretty good college player."
Similar threads
