Duke Wants 2016 5-Star PG Derryck Thornton Next Season

[DukeDenver]

Originally posted by ScheyerIsOnFire30:

Originally posted by DukeDenver:

Originally posted by ScheyerIsOnFire30:
Next year does not feel like it's going to be a good season.

We might not be a 1 seed, but c'mon man. So many teams would kill to have what we've got, even if they all bolt. Plus, every season with K is priceless at this point.

Yeah we won't be a 1 seed, but unless someone stays and we pick up a recruit or transfer it could be similar to the season where we lost to VCU in the tournament. I know we are spoiled as Duke fans because I see the season Wojo is having in my backyard at Marquette, but it's not easy thinking about the team we will have next year if everyone bolts.

We'll sign another guard in that case, and will be a likely destination for Ingram or another talented wing. If a down year means losing 6-8 games and a sweet sixteen appearance, I won't be too upset. Let's Go Duke.

This post was edited on 2/26 2:48 PM by DukeDenver

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

Originally posted by DukeDenver:

Originally posted by ScheyerIsOnFire30:

Originally posted by DukeDenver:

Originally posted by ScheyerIsOnFire30:
Next year does not feel like it's going to be a good season.

We might not be a 1 seed, but c'mon man. So many teams would kill to have what we've got, even if they all bolt. Plus, every season with K is priceless at this point.

Yeah we won't be a 1 seed, but unless someone stays and we pick up a recruit or transfer it could be similar to the season where we lost to VCU in the tournament. I know we are spoiled as Duke fans because I see the season Wojo is having in my backyard at Marquette, but it's not easy thinking about the team we will have next year if everyone bolts.

We'll sign another guard in that case, and will be a likely destination for Ingram or another talented wing. If a down year means losing 6-8 games and a sweet sixteen appearance, I won't be too upset. Let's Go Duke.

This post was edited on 2/26 2:48 PM by DukeDenver

I can't debate with a man who has his picture as George "Cantstandya"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2ZstgsE9c

 

[yoshukai]

Originally posted by jnastasi:
Wow we are going to be very thin on the wing next year unless we get Ingram.

Word from insiders here in Kentucky . You are DEFINETLY getting Ingram .

 

[Crank_it_loud]

Can Duke get Ingram plus 40lbs?

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

Originally posted by Crank_it_loud:
Can Duke get Ingram plus 40lbs?

40 Pounds? Sheesh. I don't want him gaining weight and then him having to adjust to it and it affecting his game.

 

[DukeDenver]

Why do we need another heavy guy? Plumlee, Obi, Amile and Chase (supposedly 230 lbs. now). Isn't that just fine?

I guess when we're staring down a 1 seed we must nitpick.

Keep calm, beat the Holes.

This post was edited on 2/26 4:16 PM by DukeDenver

 

[pisgah101]

I really don't think we will have a "bad" year next year and I expect oak and justice gone and I'm up in the air about Tyus.. We will be ok!!

 

[dukiejay]

Originally posted by ScheyerIsOnFire30:

Originally posted by Crank_it_loud:
Can Duke get Ingram plus 40lbs?

40 Pounds? Sheesh. I don't want him gaining weight and then him having to adjust to it and it affecting his game.

I don't know how much of Ingram you've seen, but he is beyond skinny. IMO, it's going to be tough for him to step in and play major minutes right off the bat in the ACC. He's just not very physically mature at this stage.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

he can run, jump, dribble,and shoot....he's skinny and has been playing that way a long time...

 

[JCColsCane]

I believe 2016 5* Jayson Tatum will be at Cameron tonight for the Cuse game! Let's hope the Crazies have a lot of signs and give him a big "Duke welcome"!!! Supposedly, he was really looking forward to this visit. Come on down Jayson!!
Go Duke!!



JC-OFC

 

[youngman42]

You expect 1 or 2 to go.

But, if all three freshmen go, that will be very disappointing. Not necessarily unexpected, but disappointing.

The one and done is becoming so prevalent I think it is ultimately going to ruin the CBB game unless something changes. UK was fortunate they had so many come back last year.

But, this just really hurts the game for fans as well as the quality of play on the court.

As great as UK is and they may well go undefeated (and they are uber talented), they really could not compete with the elite teams of the past who had players that were juniors and seniors.

 

[Crank_it_loud]

DukeDenver I'm not looking for "heavy" guys, but I'd like to see Ingram gain some lbs so that he doesn't get manhandled at the D1 level. John Henson looks pretty huge compared to Ingram.

 

[DukeDenver]

There's only one way to gain useful weight, and it can be limited by genetics. He's probably going to be a slow gainer like Amile. 8 lbs. per year might be the best he can do.

 

[jnastasi]

youngman I don't know if I entirely agree with you. In the past 10 years, I think only those Florida teams could beat this UK team.

 

[Crank_it_loud]

There are multiple ways to gain useful weight, and yes, genetics can play a role. Problem is, this kid is insanely skinny and would get manhandled in a competitive D1 game. Heck, Amile as a Freshman makes Ingram look very skinny.

 

[pisgah101]

You really only think those fl teams could beat em?!? UK 2012 would beat em and beat em good as would 09 carolina. Our 10 team would pull some off against them in a best of 7. This UK team may be "good" but they aren't historically good by no means IMO

 

[DukeDenver]

Originally posted by pisgah101:
You really only think those fl teams could beat em?!? UK 2012 would beat em and beat em good as would 09 carolina. Our 10 team would pull some off against them in a best of 7. This UK team may be "good" but they aren't historically good by no means IMO

Very hard to say as they haven't played many big games since Christmas. If they win out, they can make whatever claims they want.

 

[pisgah101]

That is true dukedenver! Sadly to me haha

 

[jnastasi]

I'll give you 09 Carolina could give them a run for their money. I understand they play in a horrible conference but they played a tough non conference schedule and wrecked those teams. They're probably going to finish the regular season undefeated and only a hand full of teams have done that. They're stacked with NBA size and talent. Up to this point they're historically good. I don't like it either bc I hate that program as much as everyone on here but that's just the way I see it.

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

Originally posted by dukiejay:

Originally posted by ScheyerIsOnFire30:

Originally posted by Crank_it_loud:
Can Duke get Ingram plus 40lbs?

40 Pounds? Sheesh. I don't want him gaining weight and then him having to adjust to it and it affecting his game.

I don't know how much of Ingram you've seen, but he is beyond skinny. IMO, it's going to be tough for him to step in and play major minutes right off the bat in the ACC. He's just not very physically mature at this stage.

Kevin Durant

 

[Crank_it_loud]

Are you really comparing Durant to Ingram?

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

Durant his senior year: 6"9 204 pounds. Ingram right now: 6"9 190 pounds. I don't see how I'm being unreasonable with that comparison.

 

[dukiejay]

That kind of proves you haven't seen Ingram play.

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

Who would you compare him to then? Tall, lengthy, small forward who can drive and shoot the 3. I have seen him play and I think he's comparable to Durant.

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/ingram-draws-durant-comparison-talks-upcoming-ucla-duke-visits/

 

[dukiejay]

He isn't as physically mature as Durant at the same age, and his basketball talents, while decent, aren't near as polished as Durant's either.

He's a guy who can play at this level, but I don't think he's a guy who scores near double-figures at Duke or UNC next season. At a school like State he'd have more freedom and minutes at his disposal.

 

[dbav]

I think ScheyerFire was trying to say he's a Durant type, not necessarily a clone. In other words, his game is similar. I wouldn't think he would have the same talent level at this point or the same impact as Durant. I hope I'm correct in that.

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

Spot on

 

[aah555]

Originally posted by dbav:
I think ScheyerFire was trying to say he's a Durant type, not necessarily a clone. In other words, his game is similar. I wouldn't think he would have the same talent level at this point or the same impact as Durant. I hope I'm correct in that.

I guess -- but that's like comparing Andre Dawkins to Redick b/c they're similarly-sized shooting guards with good strokes.

Ingram may have some common physical attributes, but to the extent we're making comparisons -- I think Quincy Miller seems a lot more realistic (the last NC player I can remember who was compared to Durant). Ended up averaging about 10 ppg on a pretty good Baylor squad before prematurely declaring for the NBA.

This post was edited on 3/4 2:37 PM by aah555

 

[Crank_it_loud]

They aren't comparable - two different players, different styles, and as mentioned at two different levels when compared at the same age.

No reason to go back and forth on this one....

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

Read the article linked above where the two are compared. It's not the first one either to compare them and Ingram even models his game after Durant. When Winslow leaves and if Ingram comes to Duke I expect big things. To each their own opinion.

 

[Crank_it_loud]

That's great that he may model his game after Durant, but again, they're not similar. You say you've watched Ingram; if so, you need watch more.....a lot more. Durant was physically ready for college - Ingram most likely won't be, at least as a 30+ mpg game guy.

 

[ScheyerIsOnFire30]

Interesting insight last year about Brandon Ingram. Averaged 34 minutes a game, 17 points per game, and managed to handle his own throughout the season. Still needs to gain weight at the NBA level, but he exceeded most expectations last season.

 

[barkingpumpkin]

Interesting insight last year about Brandon Ingram. Averaged 34 minutes a game, 17 points per game, and managed to handle his own throughout the season. Still needs to gain weight at the NBA level, but he exceeded most expectations last season.

Touché. Good pull.

 

[dukehokie]

I honestly don't want him next season. Tyus or not, I want this kid with the '16 guys. I don't think Thornton makes a big impact on the ending to our season next year. But in '16 with presumably who is coming, Thornton (much like Tyus this season) brings all of that together. I think a year where Grayson and Luke and maybe a grad transfer handles next year's squad makes them better player for the coming storm. I'm telling, I've been excited for the '16 class since 2013 and for good reason. This is not hyperbole.

I say wait a year and let Derryck have the Jordan Brand and McDonald's games. Be a kid. Go to prom and all of that. 2016 is his year.

I still think this would have been ideal. Hindsight being 20/20 and all.

Not because I want to be right, but I just felt Derryck and his family would've gotten what they wanted out of the 2016 roster.

 

[dukiejay]

Oh you're not kidding us....you just wanted to be right.

 

[dukehokie]

Oh you're not kidding us....you just wanted to be right.

That too...

 

[DukeDenver]

I think you're right Dukehokie. To add to that, there's no telling how that underlying negative energy affected the team over the course of the season. Amile's situation didn't help either, but he did his best to keep the guys up all year. If everyone is "all for one and one for all" this season, we'll go the distance. Easier said than done of course. So many variables.

 

[dukehokie]

I think you're right Dukehokie. To add to that, there's no telling how that underlying negative energy affected the team over the course of the season. Amile's situation didn't help either, but he did his best to keep the guys up all year. If everyone is "all for one and one for all" this season, we'll go the distance. Easier said than done of course. So many variables.

Team chemistry is often overlooked, but chances are, the uber talented teams that falter have an issue with chemistry.

 

[DukeDenver]

Team chemistry is often overlooked, but chances are, the uber talented teams that falter have an issue with chemistry.

I am convinced that the Harrison twins cost UK a title.