Haven't won a game either but sure know what should have been done to win those games we lost right?
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Haven't won a game either but sure know what should have been done to win those games we lost right?
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So do these games since they are conference games get rescheduled or how does this work? I know some conferences have a week built in for makeup games, but wasn’t sure if the ACC does
It’s generally not deadly for young people didn’t say nobody. I’ve personally known four people who have died from covid so I get how real this is. While their individual medical hx varied one commonality is they were all over 70.
Cancel the season and the players are at the same risk as contracting the virus as the pop at large Have there been cases of team to team transmission? Not aware of any
I hate to say this, but I don't expect to see us play another conference game this year.
I think best case scenario there is a "bubble" conference tournament and some sort of "bubble" NCAA championship tourney. How on Earth with they decide who gets to play and seedings is beyond me.
I hope I am wrong. It goes without saying everyone's health and safety IMHO should be the priority. It just sucks for everyone.
I think best case scenario there is a "bubble" conference tournament and some sort of "bubble" NCAA championship tourney. How on Earth with they decide who gets to play and seedings is beyond me.
I hope I am wrong. It goes without saying everyone's health and safety IMHO should be the priority. It just sucks for everyone.
Alan, I think you are a little pessimistic but I don't see Duke getting to 13 games. So either the ACC does what the Big Ten did with Ohio State or holds a bubble conference tournament, maybe double elimination, to decide who goes to the NCAA tournament (top 5?). One way or another, it will be a season with a big asterisk.
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Please be safe these next couple of days and safe travels to Durham
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Please be safe these next couple of days and safe travels to Durham
Duke Fan
I hate to say this, but I don't expect to see us play another conference game this year.
I think best case scenario there is a "bubble" conference tournament and some sort of "bubble" NCAA championship tourney. How on Earth with they decide who gets to play and seedings is beyond me.
I hope I am wrong. It goes without saying everyone's health and safety IMHO should be the priority. It just sucks for everyone.
I think there are a few factors for Duke. My thinking is for K, at 73 he's a risk and while the players are not huge risks to die from it, perhaps Coach doesn't want the parents of these players to question their safety.
It could be a bad look from a PR perspective if the parents start calling out Duke for playing games over their kids' safety. Just my opinion.
generally not deadly for younger people, true, but the long term effects on heart, kidneys, lungs remains to be seen 5-10-15 years down the road
Boogie, i always see this brought up and i wonder why it’s the first thing thrown out- re: potential long term affects.
So i asked multiple doctors i know closely what this means. They all say, “yes it’s possible, but it’s strictly conjecture.” In short, even if that is true- that there are lasting affects, what’s the point of bringing it up or i guess what difference does it make? The virus isnt going anywhere if case numbers are true. If 10s of millions of our citizens have already tested positive than the potential long term affects are already in the cards. So what are we preventing?
All we can do is use the information We have at hand- we know young people, especially young healthy people are at virtually zero risk. I posted it last week, according to the cdc over 3M positive cases resulted in 1200 deaths for people ages 18-29. That’s all people 18-29. I have not heard of a single death of a college athlete. I have not heard that games are a source of spread. I assume one reason is that the testing has been effective. But if we are going to cancel the season, these kids would be more at risk of getting and thus spreading it than they currently are.
I just think we are missing the forest for the trees here. If we are being honest, i just don’t think the schools, the conferences, the ncaa don’t want to be held liable. If you’re asking me that’s all it is, these kids are not at risk. The refs aren’t out of shape 70+ year olds and the coaches Have the best care possible at their disposal, not to mention, coaches like K, will be able to be vaccinated earlier than others who are younger.
Part of the problem is that the CDC numbers are suspect given the Trump administrations control of what they put out and even how they calculated their data. Also, the fact that Duke women voted to end their season shows that some of the athletes are fairly concerned. Early in the pandemic a woman from the US Sailing team posted an article in The NY Times about the virus. Turned out the team's trainer did not know he had it and so he spread it to most of the team. She pointed out that the athletes on that team were in animal shape and they were all felled by the virus. She talked about how brutal it was and how hard it was to come back from. She did not get her wind back for months.
As far as this notion that we can treat the virus better, first of all, many of the hospitals in this country are stretched thin as it is so what happens when the coaches get sick? They are already stressing the system. The treatment that Trump got was an expensive treatment that is not available to many Americans.
I also have to say that it is baffling that people are so willing to be dismissive of this disease and insist that we are just overreacting. It is not just this country that is reacting. Worldwide, countries are ordering their citizens to stay at home. They would not be doing this if this were not much more than your run of the mill flu.
How many people do you personally know thats caught it? I can say I personally know over 30 people thats had it and they ALL say its a joke. One person felt pretty sick and said it kicked their ass a couple days,, while all others said it was nothing. Every single person that has had the flu and covid told me the flu was much worse.
the fact that the people you know who got sick got through it without much trouble is great for them. no one has denied that some people do not get as sick. but there are still over 300,000 covid related deaths and some of that number were young people.
The numbers are overstated. A hospital administrator I know told me that if someone who tested positive died in a car accident, it would be counted as a Covid death. If you want to go by the reported numbers, we should find out how North Korea is handling the pandemic. Their record is amazing.
If you’re still denying COVID at this stage in the game, then you’re a special kind of stupid and tells me all I need to know about you.
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There a number of articles out there written by knowledgeable people, like doctors at John Hopkins, debunking this notion that young people do not suffer long term consequences from the virus. It is true that they are less likely to die but it is a bit of a head scratcher that we have suddenly decided that that is the only metric. They point out the long term consequences and the fact that young people are efficient spreaders of the virus.
Lotta virtue signaling from when i last posted, much of it very confusing to follow the logic but I’ll start here to clear my own name of any confusion. Believe it or not, you can believe the virus IS real, is deadly, and MAY have long term consequences and still have a different view point on how a basketball season should be handled. Believe it or not it doesn’t make you a bad person to assess risks using the information at hand.
I believe we all agree that young people are not at a high risk of dying from this? Like alarmingly low, even more so for young healthy athletes. I think if we can all agree on this pretty simple metric then we are able to even have the rest of the discussion. If not, then I’m not sure what to tell you.
Do some young people die? Of course, there is always going to be anecdotal examples, not just for covid, but for anything.
But i have not heard of one athlete death from covid. I have not heard about any wide spread happening during games from team to team- again, probably a credit to the testing Protocols. So spread during games isn’t a concern and the risk to players is not there either.
Now the reason I am using death as my risk metric and not potential long term affects is two fold- 1. Regardless of whether or not you believe it is conjecture or that it is absolute that there are long term affects related to covid is irrelevant bc if you get it you get it, what difference does it make? Are there worse long term affects if you get it while playing basketball vs if you’re sitting at a buddies place playing video games? You’re probably “safer” for the time being in the bubble these basketball kids are in. But as has been shown, the virus still makes it way through programs- we’ve had six games cancel or postpone. 2. Athletes are at risk anytime the strap it up in virtually any sport they play. The more physical the sport the more risk they’re undertaking- duh. They sign up for these risks and they are well aware of them. The “risk” of covid for these guys (and gals) is extremely extremely low, much lower than any of the also long term injuries many of them could sustain. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a concern, but it’s a risk they’re willing to take. They also realize that this is a free year, so if any of them don’t want to play, they don’t have to. There have been athletes that have chosen to sit out. It does not affect their eligibility.
Bottom line, you can assess it all and still believe covid is real but have a different opinion on the risk to the players and if they should be playing.
As for the coaches- coaches can make their own decisions based on their own health, risk tolerance etc. that’s a decision they can make on their own. K has decided, at least in the next 10 days, to step away due to a positive test within his family. That’s a decision he made all by himself. Believe it or not, I trust these coaches to make the best decision for them.
I believe we all agree that young people are not at a high risk of dying from this? Like alarmingly low, even more so for young healthy athletes. I think if we can all agree on this pretty simple metric then we are able to even have the rest of the discussion. If not, then I’m not sure what to tell you.
Do some young people die? Of course, there is always going to be anecdotal examples, not just for covid, but for anything.
But i have not heard of one athlete death from covid. I have not heard about any wide spread happening during games from team to team- again, probably a credit to the testing Protocols. So spread during games isn’t a concern and the risk to players is not there either.
Now the reason I am using death as my risk metric and not potential long term affects is two fold- 1. Regardless of whether or not you believe it is conjecture or that it is absolute that there are long term affects related to covid is irrelevant bc if you get it you get it, what difference does it make? Are there worse long term affects if you get it while playing basketball vs if you’re sitting at a buddies place playing video games? You’re probably “safer” for the time being in the bubble these basketball kids are in. But as has been shown, the virus still makes it way through programs- we’ve had six games cancel or postpone. 2. Athletes are at risk anytime the strap it up in virtually any sport they play. The more physical the sport the more risk they’re undertaking- duh. They sign up for these risks and they are well aware of them. The “risk” of covid for these guys (and gals) is extremely extremely low, much lower than any of the also long term injuries many of them could sustain. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a concern, but it’s a risk they’re willing to take. They also realize that this is a free year, so if any of them don’t want to play, they don’t have to. There have been athletes that have chosen to sit out. It does not affect their eligibility.
Bottom line, you can assess it all and still believe covid is real but have a different opinion on the risk to the players and if they should be playing.
As for the coaches- coaches can make their own decisions based on their own health, risk tolerance etc. that’s a decision they can make on their own. K has decided, at least in the next 10 days, to step away due to a positive test within his family. That’s a decision he made all by himself. Believe it or not, I trust these coaches to make the best decision for them.
Not sure if your post was directed at me but I did not mean to virtue shame. I thought I gave a fairly tempered response. We can leave it here since we won’t convince each other of the merits of our positions. I would imagine one thing we are both in agreement is hoping to see our boys play tomorrow night.
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I trust Coach K unequivocally to make the right decision. I think he has tremendous respect for the potential consequences of Covid, and always looks after his players. He follows science, and even had infectious disease expert Dr.Tony Fauci on his radio show last spring. Don't begrudge the women's team at all for opting out, and admire Coach Kara Lawson for letting the team decide.
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If we get the next 2 games under our belt this week (both winnable) then I will be more optimistic.
I am hoping we get the next two games in and get back on schedule. I tested positive on 12-27 and my wife tested positive last weekend and we have been lucky with no issues and we are in our sixties. With all this time on my hands I've watched some games from the past and just watched the 1991 semi against UNLV. I had forgotten about the plays Brian Davis made down the stretch. We don't win it without him. Just a reminder from the past.
How about if we get the 2 games in this week, get convincing wins, then see what other games we can get in. Sitting at 5-2, 3-0 in the League, is a much better place to be.
Yea I have 5 family members dead as well - all secondary deaths. But hey, stick to your narrative. Just like Larry King too, right? Never mind his ridiculous comorbidities.
This conversation was 3 weeks ago. Were you waiting for Larry King to die before you hit Reply?
No I just do not live here like you do, Erkel. Now, go back to gracing the board with your obsessive, ahem I mean infinite, wisdom.
Denying the virus? Or the purpose of it? Cali, MD, PA, NY, IL, and other states say hello.
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