He did what you wanted him to do...so it's fine, Aah. You don't give a diddly-squat about a person having the right to an opinion (or to keep it to himself)...unless of course it matches up with your own, and your liberal comrades.
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I think Coach K is an outstanding coach and a generally good man. But, he is also a representative of Duke -- the school I attended. On an issue like this (i.e., whether it's okay for a business to deny services to homosexuals simply b/c they're gay), it's important that there not be any ambiguity as to Duke's position on this subject -- and, frankly, while the Duke basketball fan messageboard may be divided on a subject like this, there is no doubt what the overwhelming majority of people in the Duke University community (not basketball fanbase) think about this issue (i.e., alums, faculty, students). It just wasn't tenable to have the most public face of the school sitting in Indianapolis preparing for a high-profile tournament without having him say something concrete on the subject. And, frankly, this was not an issue where K was entitled to have a differing opinion -- i.e., if he did disagree, that would make me question whether he should remain the head coach at a place like Duke. And, to be clear, I absolutely think K said what he said b/c he genuinely believed it -- and, as I said before, i expected he would do the right thing and make the statement. That's why I'm happy to have him as our coach. You don't normally have to worry about K doing the right thing.
This post was edited on 4/1 5:16 PM by aah555
Thanks, Timo.
Isn't it amazing that no one complained when K and the Duke team played the UAE team in Dubai. That little ol' Sharia Law doesn't seem to bother the liberals too much does it. And how about all the American companies (Hollywood are you listening), and I'm sure more than a few sports teams have ties or do business with countries that support Sharia Law. Yeah, that's not problem, but lets jump on a basketball coach because he didn't speak up about an Indiana law that as far as I know of...doesn't lop off anyone's head.
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And he didn't do anything at all (by not speaking out) that caused any shame for Duke University. Only in a liberal hell does this exist. Coach K doesn't have to comprise his beliefs (whatever they may be) for Duke University as long as he doesn't portray them in a negative light. He didn't do that...by keeping his opinion to his self. And if Duke University doesn't like the job Coach K has done, and is doing, they can relieve him of it. Even at his age, I'm sure he can find a job. Coach K doesn't have to be a lap dog just because he is the coach of Duke.
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I am not sure why someone insists on labeling this a "liberal issue." There are plenty of conservatives out there who think bigotry and discrimination are anathema to the values of this Country. The Indiana government can attempt to dress this bill up as a religious freedom bill but it is nothing more than a way for intolerant human beings to discriminate against gays and lesbians. These bills have started popping up now that it appears gay marriage is going to be the law of the land and gays and lesbians are asking to receive the same rights and treatment as straights have received: the right to marry and be who they are. How serving a gay person a meal somehow compromises a person's religious freedom is head scratching. No one is asking the store keeper to be gay or have a gay relationship or even be happy that his or her child is gay. He is just being asked to provide the same type of service he provides to a gay person as to a straight person. It should be offensive to a devout religious person to serve a couple who is unmarried and is having sex and yet I am unaware of any store owner who takes that poll when two people come into his or her store holding hands.
Anyway, while I don't think the coaches have to go out and picket and make signs opposing such an obviously disgusting law, I do think they are supposed to say SOMETHING. Remember that saying about how all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing? And as far as a comment being a distraction, Dakari Johnson managed to condemn this bill and then go help Kentucky make the final four. I am pretty sure Coach K can compartmentalize.
With that said, the statement issued by the coaches was magnificent and I applaud them for standing up for the right thing. Now it is time for Duke to get #5.
Anyway, while I don't think the coaches have to go out and picket and make signs opposing such an obviously disgusting law, I do think they are supposed to say SOMETHING. Remember that saying about how all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing? And as far as a comment being a distraction, Dakari Johnson managed to condemn this bill and then go help Kentucky make the final four. I am pretty sure Coach K can compartmentalize.
With that said, the statement issued by the coaches was magnificent and I applaud them for standing up for the right thing. Now it is time for Duke to get #5.
Yes, b/c the people advocating against discrimination in the US against the LGBT community obviously condone Sharia law. #Delusional.
I mean, when you've got Wal-Mart -- yes Wal-Mart -- saying that the bill "threatens to undermine the spirit of inclusion present throughout the state" and "does not reflect the values we uphold," then you've really moved to the fringe of public discourse if you somehow find K's words objectionable. Frankly, I think the reason this bill got such a strong reaction is that its something you would have expected to be passed in the UAE, not in the USA circa 2015.
You're not only missing the point but labeling people as biggots who have not said a single thing about the issue. That's the whole point ODD and most in this thread are making. A few posts up, you said "even if people on a duke message board agree with the law" uhhh no one here to my knowledge, i'll have to go back through if i'm wrong, has said they agree with it. So, again, you're falsely accusing/labeling people b/c they don't say what you want them too. they just don't say anything.
That's the best you can do, Aah? Hey, if there is injustice you speak out about it...and the silence is deafening. Of course, speaking out about injustices in other countries can't be used as a political billy stick over in the good ol' USA.
And you really got me with the Wal-Mart statement. Yeah, that really trumps all. Too bad no one else can have an opinion on anything unless Wal-Mart approves it. Bet you wouldn't be caught dead in one, either.
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K has every right to comment or not to comment about a situation. Saying he is wrong not to take a stand is ridiculous. He has a job and it is not to be political. When he feels ready to make a comment he will. If he feels he does not know enough about it fine. Making a judgement about him not commenting is irresponsible. Give me a break.and if he has certain beliefs that are not the same as yours he has that right!
(1) I didn't accuse any poster of anything. All I said is that K should make a statement. It's others on this board who are talking about how racism is different than homophobia (go up and read it) and complaining about the liberal "gay agenda." All I was suggesting is that these comments suggests to me that there seems to be some debate about this issue on the message board. I certainly don't think most people on this board agree with the law.
(2) I get the point. I just disagree. While I agree with others that K should / needs to normally engage in hot button political and social issues, I think this is a situation where it would have been bad for the image of the university if he stayed silent. He needed to say something. The team was heading to Indy to play in the most high-profile set of games of the season. There was no way he could avoid commenting without making his refusal to comment a story.
(3) In view of the fact that he's basically done exactly what I asked, I'm not sure what we're arguing about. Clearly whatever I said was not that out of left field considering that K ended up doing exactly what I suggested he needed to do.
(4) Frankly, it's pretty sad that some (not you timo) seem to think that opposing basic discrimination is somehow a political issue. We can argue about a lot of things, but it doesn't seem to much to ask that our coach be opposed to laws that would allow discrimination to take place.
This post was edited on 4/1 6:04 PM by aah555
As a gay man, I do not know all the facts of this law. And if used for discrimination, it is bad.
However, as a libertarian and a person who believes rights of Americans have been severely trampled, I see the benefit of this law for one reason: If I was a bakery and refused to make cakes for a straight wedding, that should be my choice. These stories of PRIVATE businesses forced to make cakes or provide flowers for gay wedding is appalling. Private businesses absolutely have the right to serve or not serve whomever they please, INCLUDING sexuality, color of skin, sex, etc...
It is up to us to not give our business to places that discriminate. That said, the GOVERNMENT has no right to enforce this. I cannot believe in this country how people cannot separate personal feeling (Ron Paul against abortion) to political feelings (while personally against abortion, Ron Paul does not believe government has the right to legislate this issue).
As for Coach K, really, is anyone going to change their feeling because of what Coach K thinks? When this law is implemented and people see it all goes away and the boogie man is not coming to discriminate against gays, this will all die down. Flavor of the month to distract people from things that really matter, like the government taking more and more rights away from us by the day.
In two years, gay rights is not an issue. Republicans and Democrats just use it to rile up their bases. When the older generation most staunchly against gay rights die off, it wont even be an issue...
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However, as a libertarian and a person who believes rights of Americans have been severely trampled, I see the benefit of this law for one reason: If I was a bakery and refused to make cakes for a straight wedding, that should be my choice. These stories of PRIVATE businesses forced to make cakes or provide flowers for gay wedding is appalling. Private businesses absolutely have the right to serve or not serve whomever they please, INCLUDING sexuality, color of skin, sex, etc...
It is up to us to not give our business to places that discriminate. That said, the GOVERNMENT has no right to enforce this. I cannot believe in this country how people cannot separate personal feeling (Ron Paul against abortion) to political feelings (while personally against abortion, Ron Paul does not believe government has the right to legislate this issue).
As for Coach K, really, is anyone going to change their feeling because of what Coach K thinks? When this law is implemented and people see it all goes away and the boogie man is not coming to discriminate against gays, this will all die down. Flavor of the month to distract people from things that really matter, like the government taking more and more rights away from us by the day.
In two years, gay rights is not an issue. Republicans and Democrats just use it to rile up their bases. When the older generation most staunchly against gay rights die off, it wont even be an issue...
This post was edited on 4/1 6:27 PM by kwyjibos13
Aah, who F'N cares!? You are an idiot....and yes I am a conservative. This is all about Duke in the Final Four and going for Title #5 in a state that was picked to hold the tourney far before some stupid law took place that has 0 to do with Duke trying to beat MSU then UK or Wisky. WHO CARES!!??
Liberals have to have it their way or you are an asshole conservative, period, point blank. So let's Stfu about this and get back to basketball. My Lord
Liberals have to have it their way or you are an asshole conservative, period, point blank. So let's Stfu about this and get back to basketball. My Lord
I am obviously not the fartest smeller, i mean smartest feller in the world, however i sadly fully believe this to be nothing more than an attack on one the finest human beings we've ever had the privilege of having a small window into their world, simply because Coach Ks political preferences don't align with those of the Clinton News Network. Coach K has long been known to be a donor to the Republican party and while never having been outright anti Obama he has also never praised the president. CNN obviously is a leftist leaning, well not even leaning, the are firmly in the corner of liberalism. Which is absolutely fine. That is their choice and should be respected regardless of whether you, i, or any other tom, dick, and jane agrees with that. I think CNN saw a very very VERY rare opening to "attack" college basketballs most well known coach and took it while deciding not to pause and consider the relevancy or importance (or lack thereof) of the whole "How does Coach K feel on this issue". Its really quite sad, instead of them discussing his historic accomplishments this season and what this final four adds to his legacy, or even to make his role and the lifelong impact he has made on literally thousands of young men both within the programs walls and also outside the Duke walls, they instead chose what they did. To end though ill just say im proud yet again to LOVE the man who leads our program, he is and will ALWAYS be a very rare and VERY PRECIOUS gift, and his "reaction" to all this is but only another example of why he is these things.
I've said twice that the issue was closed from my perspective. Based on your post, the fact that someone may call you an @#$hole probably has little to do with your political philosophy and more to do with your general disposition.
Kwji ...I made that statement to a friend of mine last night. I do support gay right all rights of all people but like you said if I was a private business and I don't want to make a cake for someone that's my right. Why would a gay man or couple then want to give them business. I would go find someone that supported my beliefs. And give them the business they deserve. I disagree with the people with those beliefs but I don't spend time on them I spend time supporting the people who deserve it. Now let's go get a championship
Maybe this should be locked up. It's a Duke basketball board for Duke fans. It's turning into a political discussion board. Too much ill will going on between Duke fans. At the least let's have it moved to The Lounge. I can't speak for the rest of you but I don't want to hear about this on the basketball board and yes before any of you says I don't have to read it you're right but let's get together and unite about winning a national championship. OFC
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This post was edited on 4/1 7:33 PM by skysdad
That's right #5. We'll get this stuff straighten out after the trophy's are passed out! CNN still on the air?
Schicashicu,
I thought I was listening to Mad Max on the John Boy and Billy radio show. LOL
GO GET NUMBER 5 DUKE!
I thought I was listening to Mad Max on the John Boy and Billy radio show. LOL
GO GET NUMBER 5 DUKE!
it would be inappropriate for K to even comment on this law. why would he take one second away from watching msu game tape to formulate an opinion on a bill that is open to very wide interpretation?
i for one would be very unhappy if he took time away from his team to comment on this.
if the liberal media wants to spin this bill as discrimination or bigotry - then let them. there is a process to review all laws of the land and its the court system.
my favorite quote
"...everyone just needs to do their f' ing jobs...."
i for one would be very unhappy if he took time away from his team to comment on this.
if the liberal media wants to spin this bill as discrimination or bigotry - then let them. there is a process to review all laws of the land and its the court system.
my favorite quote
"...everyone just needs to do their f' ing jobs...."
THIS!!!
This is neither the place and definitely not the time for this conversation. It's Final Four week. Leave the politics at the door or in the Lounge.
FTR, my earlier comment was about my utter disdain for CNN. It had nothing to do with politics. I just despise them that much. In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have posted it.
This post was edited on 4/1 8:46 PM by FearTheBeard
I don't appreciate this thread one bit. Move it to the frigging lounge. We are in the final four and some idiots want to know why K chooses to not answer a political question? Ahhh5 , you are so far off base you missed second and third. Lock this $#it up or move it to the lounge. Whoever started this thread , we are inThe Final Four. we don't care.
aah555 ...
Could not disagree more with you. It seems it is a big deal to you for a coach like K to comment. But, it is not his baliwick. I've never understood why people think someone successful in one area (sports, acting, etc.) is qualified or needs to speak up about political issues.
If K wants to - fine, but that's not his area of expertise. He's a leader, he sows that leadership in his area of expertise - a coach. That has application beyond basketball but it does not relate to someone having an informed opinion on a law - good or bad. It's just not an issue.
Could not disagree more with you. It seems it is a big deal to you for a coach like K to comment. But, it is not his baliwick. I've never understood why people think someone successful in one area (sports, acting, etc.) is qualified or needs to speak up about political issues.
If K wants to - fine, but that's not his area of expertise. He's a leader, he sows that leadership in his area of expertise - a coach. That has application beyond basketball but it does not relate to someone having an informed opinion on a law - good or bad. It's just not an issue.
How refreshing it is to see even some homosexuals understand that a human who has worked their tails off to open their own business and run it everyday has a right to run it their way.
Thank you for stopping by and offering your opinion. I mean that sincerely.
Now lock this one up!
Wow, aah, you reached so far (and failed so miserably) with your incoherent rambling. You were a total d*ck in the process as well. Congrats.
And to think, I am not some right-wing Conservative.
And to think, I am not some right-wing Conservative.
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