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K
Dattier said:
If anyone here ever feels frustrated that I don't seem to be flexible enough, KD provides a prime example of why: I made a concession that included disapproval of certain liberal talking points and it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming where I get accused of being a sheep who is in lockstep with the very people I just demonstrated separation from. :rolleyes:
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You separated yourself from the pro Hamas fringe of your party. The ones calling for a ceasefire on Oct 8th. That’s like me disagreeing with something Marjorie Taylor Greene said. You get some credit for taking an obvious stance but don’t go overboard. The cherry on top is when you said “only that” demonstrating that you are in fact in lockstep with them 99% of the time.
Then there’s your poor choice of words, that your side is “exaggerating” Israel’s genocide. Israel is committing a genocide but it’s not that bad? Even when you allegedly disagree with your overlords, you do so in a neutered, both sides of the fence manner. You clearly know very little about the Middle East, so it’s probably best if we just move on to the next topic.
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Week 11 - Duke-N.C. State - 3:30 p.m., 11/9

ConorONeill
Duke gets a break in that it isn't facing ranked team after playing two of them in the last couple of weeks, but stays on the road as the Blue Devils head to Raleigh.

N.C. State is stuck in this Law of the Wolf purgatory. With credit to Joe Giglio, formerly of the N&O, now with The OG: When you expect the most of N.C. State, you get the least. When you expect the least, you get the most.

That's kind of playing out in equal parts this season. N.C. State went into the season as some people's (not mine!) dark horse pick to win the ACC and nosedived to a 3-4 start, getting blown out twice and not looking all that great in the wins. But the Wolfpack has won two games, against Cal and Stanford (so, not the cream of the ACC's crop), and is in position to salvage a bowl out of this season with a freshman QB and young, promising skill players around him.

This game has a lot more juice than I would've thought two weeks ago, honestly. Duke needs to find a way back into the win column and has been the better team; N.C. State has done some damage control on its season and just had its best offensive performance of the season (59-28 win over Stanford).

Programming note: I'll have remote coverage of this game. It's obviously a drivable road trip -- but a friend is getting married on Saturday and I'd rather celebrate with him and his bride-to-be rather than cover a football game. Hopefully that's forgivable -- if any consolation, I'll see Duke's last two games of the regular season.

ICYMI link:

Story on this past weekend's 53-31 loss at Miami.
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Dattier said:
Uhhh... relative to how often the entirety of regular conservative posters here acknowledge good points liberals make? Yes, yes, I absolutely do. 100% serious.
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You and Durham usually have told us by the end of the post how brilliant it is so usually you guys have beaten us to the punch. You make a lot of good points, but the policies you support usually are abject failures. We spend trillions on green energy. Where are all the charging stations? Where’d all the $ go?
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GhostOf301
Dattier said:
I explained why: because y'all use such extremist language so regularly that the bar is THAT low for demonstrating a sliver of hope for any middle ground.
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You explained why it is your opinion that we should give points to the other side. And I explained why it is my opinion that it isn't important to me to do that. Let's not pretend that the liberals in this country are the ones looking for common ground. Truth is, common ground is something that just goes without saying. By a large margin, it is lefties ending friendships, disowning family members and demonizing conservatives in their lives. So getting me to concede a point to some so called Kamala supporters won't really move the needle. But I did tell you that I would eventually get to your video and see what I can do to honor your request.
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Dattier said:
If anyone here ever feels frustrated that I don't seem to be flexible enough, KD provides a prime example of why: I made a concession that included disapproval of certain liberal talking points and it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming where I get accused of being a sheep who is in lockstep with the very people I just demonstrated separation from. :rolleyes:
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Problem is, you said “ I own that. And only that”. Or some such.
Don’t limit your growth. You’re making progress. You need to push yourself to go further. Think fentanyl and reflect
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K
Dattier said:
If anyone here ever feels frustrated that I don't seem to be flexible enough, KD provides a prime example of why: I made a concession that included disapproval of certain liberal talking points and it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming where I get accused of being a sheep who is in lockstep with the very people I just demonstrated separation from. :rolleyes:
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It’s preposterous that Israel is singled out with accusations of genocide when Assad recently killed half a million people and the Left and msm were silent to just name one example I give you credit for distancing yourself from the antisemitic fringe of your party.
Problem is, the former and current de facto leader of your party Obama still engages in anti semitic themes such as the “ illegal occupation” . What occupation is he talking about? Does he not recognize Israel’s right to exist?
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Game 1 - Maine-Duke - 7 p.m., 11/4

ConorONeill
Thank God, IT'S BASKETBALL SEASON.

Preview for tomorrow night's game -- complete with a My Take atop all of the usual notes.

Programming note: I'll be there with full coverage tomorrow night.

Predictions:

- Duke shoots above 40% on 3-pointers.

- Kon Knueppel is the only Blue Devil to score 20-plus points.

- Khaman Maluach has at least 3 blocks, at least 3 Khamans, and double-digit rebounds.

- Cooper Flagg scores 12 points but flirts with a triple-double (rebounds and assists).
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GhostOf301 said:
I don't know why it is important to give people a cookie for a single good point when the arguments are won or lost based on all the points combined. Of course, this is my opinion. But I will download your video and watch it on my flight on Tuesday if I don't get to it this evening while in my office. Depends on how busy we are tonight.
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I explained why: because y'all use such extremist language so regularly that the bar is THAT low for demonstrating a sliver of hope for any middle ground.
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Dattier
KDSTONE said:
Exaggerated? It’s nonexistent. Half of the alleged 40,000 killed are terrorists according to the IDF. The 40,000 # comes from Hamas’ Health Ministry. The anti- Israel ICJ has already determined there’s no genocide.
Re: the other 20,000 a large % of those are civilians harboring terrorists, civilians storing weaponry in their homes such as was just discovered en masse in southern Lebanon, or civilians used as human shields by Hamas’ design to create maximum casualties to stir up international outrage against Israel. This strategy only works if you have a leftist media like the BBC and CNN willing to cultivate the lies.
The civilian: combatant casualty ratio in Gaza is one of the lowest in modern history and is lower than the US’ wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite the fact that Gazans are used as human shields and Hamas embeds its military operations in schools and hospitals
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If anyone here ever feels frustrated that I don't seem to be flexible enough, KD provides a prime example of why: I made a concession that included disapproval of certain liberal talking points and it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming where I get accused of being a sheep who is in lockstep with the very people I just demonstrated separation from. :rolleyes:
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GhostOf301
KDSTONE said:
The other Muslim countries want nothing to do with the “Palestinians” ( concept invented by Arafat; before that the word wasn’t used to exclusively describe Arabs) but they ( with the help of the UN) want them to remain permanent refugees as a weapon in the propaganda war against Israel. The goal is to change other refugees’ status ASAP. With UnRHWA the goal is the status quo. They claim they want the “right of return” when a lot of these people actually moved to the region after 1948. if these refugees were ever moved into Israel it would mean the end of Israel. Most of the 2 million Arabs living in Israel haven’t been radicalized like the refugees have
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In fact, the majority of Israeli Arabs support the war to end hamas.
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GhostOf301 said:
I have found studying the history of Israeli Jews to be very fascinating. But the history of Palestine is even more interesting because of how relatively recent it starts and how different the history is told by opposing sides. When people defend the Palestinians as if they are victims, they know nothing about their history. They are victims, but they're victims of their own people and who they support. They've been forced out of every country they had a significant number of people in because they don't accept the rule of the land and they are obsessed with war. They've caused civil wars everywhere They've been. Of all of the Arab nations who condemned Israel, not a single one accepted Palestinian refugees. Egypt even threatened death to those who tried to cross over. They want nothing to do with Palestinians. Palestinians by large numbers, support Hamas. They are taught at a young age to be radical and to hate Israel. Until there is a major shift in culture where they focus on the betterment of their own people, there will always be conflict. It's a shame. Because they live in a literal paradise, but make it hell.
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The other Muslim countries want nothing to do with the “Palestinians” ( concept invented by Arafat; before that the word wasn’t used to exclusively describe Arabs) but they ( with the help of the UN) want them to remain permanent refugees as a weapon in the propaganda war against Israel. The goal is to change other refugees’ status ASAP. With UnRHWA the goal is the status quo. They claim they want the “right of return” when a lot of these people actually moved to the region after 1948. if these refugees were ever moved into Israel it would mean the end of Israel. Most of the 2 million Arabs living in Israel haven’t been radicalized like the refugees have
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Dattier said:
Yes, well, apologies for using that format twice in 24 hours.

I think conservatives would genuinely enjoy the Ben Shapiro video. My question is whether you would acknowledge any appreciation for anything said by anyone else, as I have clarified a couple times now. I mean, geez, it would almost qualify as a moral victory for y'all to admit he beat them 134-1 because you'd at least be admitting they scored a single point, which is more than most of you ever offer.

Thanks for the video rec. I might get around to it. I trust Shapiro's intellect and knowledge. I do not trust his objectivity. I suspect I would find the video informative, but not as convincing as you do.
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I don't know why it is important to give people a cookie for a single good point when the arguments are won or lost based on all the points combined. Of course, this is my opinion. But I will download your video and watch it on my flight on Tuesday if I don't get to it this evening while in my office. Depends on how busy we are tonight.
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GhostOf301
KDSTONE said:
All the countries surrounding Israel want to destroy it. It’s hard to have a conversation about Israel without acknowledging their unique situation It’s also difficult to discuss the topic seriously when one side throws around words like genocide and apartheid without knowing what they mean. Occasionally, you’ll find an Islamist or Leftist who has some clue about Israel’s recreation in 48 but not often.
67% of historical Palestine is now the state of Jordan. Gaza and the West Bank ( Judea and Samaria) are majority Arab and Israel is majority Jewish. Yes many Arabs were expelled or voluntarily left in 48 after the armies of the Mid East lost the first of many wars to Israel.
The Arabs were offfered a state in 48 along with another state which is now called Jordan. The Arabs got most of the land, Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Quran once, and they still responded with war.
You hear a lot of talk of occupation from Obama and his ilk. He knows full well Hamas has run Gaza since 2006. So when you hear the Left talk of occupation, this is code for expel the Jews from the only country they haven’t already been kicked out of. Expel if they’re lucky that is. Many would receive a crueler fate. Meanwhile Muslims in Europe are chanting that Jews “ go back to where they come from”. I’m a little confused as to where that is since Muslims also claim Jews have no religious or historical ties to Israel.
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I have found studying the history of Israeli Jews to be very fascinating. But the history of Palestine is even more interesting because of how relatively recent it starts and how different the history is told by opposing sides. When people defend the Palestinians as if they are victims, they know nothing about their history. They are victims, but they're victims of their own people and who they support. They've been forced out of every country they had a significant number of people in because they don't accept the rule of the land and they are obsessed with war. They've caused civil wars everywhere They've been. Of all of the Arab nations who condemned Israel, not a single one accepted Palestinian refugees. Egypt even threatened death to those who tried to cross over. They want nothing to do with Palestinians. Palestinians by large numbers, support Hamas. They are taught at a young age to be radical and to hate Israel. Until there is a major shift in culture where they focus on the betterment of their own people, there will always be conflict. It's a shame. Because they live in a literal paradise, but make it hell.
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Dattier said:
Yes, well, apologies for using that format twice in 24 hours.

I think conservatives would genuinely enjoy the Ben Shapiro video. My question is whether you would acknowledge any appreciation for anything said by anyone else, as I have clarified a couple times now. I mean, geez, it would almost qualify as a moral victory for y'all to admit he beat them 134-1 because you'd at least be admitting they scored a single point, which is more than most of you ever offer.

Thanks for the video rec. I might get around to it. I trust Shapiro's intellect and knowledge. I do not trust his objectivity. I suspect I would find the video informative, but not as convincing as you do.
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And yet you so often acknowledge good points we’ve made. It’s getting harder and harder to tell if you’re serious or trolling
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Dattier said:
For the record, the rhetoric about genocide and apartheid so frequently used by people on my side of the aisle is largely exaggerated and does not help the discussion. I'll own that and that alone.
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Unfortunately, when there’s a terrorist attack in this country again and it’s determined they came across the southern border, your side will have some ‘splainin to do then as well. The Blame Trump for everything game ain’t cuttin it no more ( I wrote that in a fake Black accent Kamala style)
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Dattier said:
For the record, the rhetoric about genocide and apartheid so frequently used by people on my side of the aisle is largely exaggerated and does not help the discussion. I'll own that and that alone.
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Exaggerated? It’s nonexistent. Half of the alleged 40,000 killed are terrorists according to the IDF. The 40,000 # comes from Hamas’ Health Ministry. The anti- Israel ICJ has already determined there’s no genocide.
Re: the other 20,000 a large % of those are civilians harboring terrorists, civilians storing weaponry in their homes such as was just discovered en masse in southern Lebanon, or civilians used as human shields by Hamas’ design to create maximum casualties to stir up international outrage against Israel. This strategy only works if you have a leftist media like the BBC and CNN willing to cultivate the lies.
The civilian: combatant casualty ratio in Gaza is one of the lowest in modern history and is lower than the US’ wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite the fact that Gazans are used as human shields and Hamas embeds its military operations in schools and hospitals
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Dattier
KDSTONE said:
All the countries surrounding Israel want to destroy it. It’s hard to have a conversation about Israel without acknowledging their unique situation It’s also difficult to discuss the topic seriously when one side throws around words like genocide and apartheid without knowing what they mean. Occasionally, you’ll find an Islamist or Leftist who has some clue about Israel’s recreation in 48 but not often.
67% of historical Palestine is now the state of Jordan. Gaza and the West Bank ( Judea and Samaria) are majority Arab and Israel is majority Jewish. Yes many Arabs were expelled or voluntarily left in 48 after the armies of the Mid East lost the first of many wars to Israel.
The Arabs were offfered a state in 48 along with another state which is now called Jordan. The Arabs got most of the land, Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Quran once, and they still responded with war.
You hear a lot of talk of occupation from Obama and his ilk. He knows full well Hamas has run Gaza since 2006. So when you hear the Left talk of occupation, this is code for expel the Jews from the only country they haven’t already been kicked out of. Expel if they’re lucky that is. Many would receive a crueler fate. Meanwhile Muslims in Europe are chanting that Jews “ go back to where they come from”. I’m a little confused as to where that is since Muslims also claim Jews have no religious or historical ties to Israel.
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For the record, the rhetoric about genocide and apartheid so frequently used by people on my side of the aisle is largely exaggerated and does not help the discussion. I'll own that and that alone.
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