Ad far as "complying: with people's wish for you to call them by their made up pronouns. Nah. I'm not going to be mean to anyone and purposely call them the opposite of what they want to be called. But I am also not going to take part in their lies. I just won't call them anything.

KDSTONE said:

It’s rude to ask period.

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This is a minor enough issue that agreeing to disagree doesn't affect either of us adversely.

Dattier said:

What a stupid defense for your stupid claim. You weren't there, either, and you don't care. You're manufacturing a strawman so you can criticize her.

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Another example of you and your ilk being ignorant of basic etiquette and social norms. They came to see her, to support her. For her to leave without speaking to them is bush league. They probably got what they deserved, though, for falling for a media ginned up Pres candidate She’ll probably be too drunk to make a speech today also. Oh well always tomorrow

Dattier said:

What a stupid defense for your stupid claim. You weren't there, either, and you don't care. You're manufacturing a strawman so you can criticize her.

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This is a weak response to a legitimate claim. It was clear she wasn't going to win by 11:30 last night. She could have told her supporters that she was calling it a night and given some stupid comment about about counting every vote. Then say thank you for your support. But instead, she kept them there until almost 1 o'clock and didn't even give them the courtesy of speaking to them. I don't have to care about it or them to call it for what it is. In fact, I think it's hilarious and anyone dumb enough to support her deserved her disrespect.

Anyways, moving on.

Dattier said:

What a stupid defense for your stupid claim. You weren't there, either, and you don't care. You're manufacturing a strawman so you can criticize her.

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Strawman. Whoops there it is. Datt is already breaking out the golden oldies and it’s not even lunch yet.

Dattier said:

It's rude to push for it after someone refuses. It's a made-up offense and hypocritical to engage in name-calling repeatedly then criticize a straight-forward, non-hostile question.

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It’s rude to ask period.

GhostOf301 said:

Were you there last night? I am talking about the supporters who took the time to travel to Brown to be there with her. Never mind, man. You are something.

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What a stupid defense for your stupid claim. You weren't there, either, and you don't care. You're manufacturing a strawman so you can criticize her.

GhostOf301 said:

The dems are going to Ghost her. She is done.

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For all intents and purposes, sort of. She will not be the presumptive favorite should she run for President again. Like Hillary, she couldn't win against the most divisive Presidential candidate in modern history. There was cautious hope that she could. She couldn't. Moving on...

Dattier said:

She didn't owe me that. I haven't heard the first complaint about it anywhere from any of her supporters. It's a made-up issue by a concern troll.

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Were you there last night? I am talking about the supporters who took the time to travel to Brown to be there with her. Never mind, man. You are something.

KDSTONE said:

It’s rude to ask people who they voted for. Minimal social skills

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It's rude to push for it after someone refuses. It's a made-up offense and hypocritical to engage in name-calling repeatedly then criticize a straight-forward, non-hostile question.

GhostOf301 said:

What is this even supposed to mean? You just don't want to acknowledge that she owed it to her supporters to show her face.

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She didn't owe me that. I haven't heard the first complaint about it anywhere from any of her supporters. It's a made-up issue by a concern troll.

KDSTONE said:

Do you think Kamalie will run for Pres again or is she going back to Cali with her tail between her legs?

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The dems are going to Ghost her. She is done.

KDSTONE said:

Have you ever actually watched a Trump rally? Never seen much rage or fury I see a lot of everyday Americans who are quick to laugh, smile easily, and seem very relaxed and at peace. You’ve taken Jan 6 and pretended like that’s reflective of half the country. The rest of the country moved on years ago. I’m around Trump supporters all day. Haven’t seen any rage, very little profanity. You continue to stereotype half the country I see people who want affordable groceries, a secure border, crime to be taken seriously. Most of all, I hear people who are tired of being lectured to about what to eat, what to drive, what pronouns to use, etc.

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Yeah, Trump rally attendees laugh at insults and threats. Hardly a sign that they're not filled with rage.

No, January 6th is reflective of our then President and now President-elect, as well as his influence.

What pronouns to use... for others at their request? Refusing to comply with that is just hateful and disrespectful. You wouldn't call an effeminate cis man "she" or a masculine cis woman "he" unless you're a d-bag; you wouldn't call James "Jimmy" if he has told you he prefers James unless you're a d-bag. Same with other people's pronouns. I make honest mistakes with pronouns pretty frequently. I apologize, correct myself, and move on without losing any sleep over it.

The Right rages about library books, the rare crime by an undocumented immigrant, individual (and horrific) crimes at the expense of acknowledging dropping crime rates across the board, any woman or BIPOC person being a DEI hire if they have a position of power, and every single thing President Biden did from day one. Y'all resort to hyperbole and extremist rhetoric: the Left can't just disagree w/ how you reach a certain shared goal; no, we're "evil" and "hate America." You've been calling him the worst President in the history of this country since before the midterms.

Y'all take your marching orders from Citizen/President/President-elect Trump, who came into office in 2017 with a majority in both houses of Congress just like he will in 2025 and didn't tone down his rhetoric at all. He had and will again have practically unchecked power and he still modeled rage and bitterness that y'all adopted like sheep. He has said he will be seeking retribution when he takes office again.

Hate crimes soared after the 2016 election, just like they did after the 2008 election. Both times it was violence from the Right.

Dattier said:

Your opinion is in bad faith and irrelevant.

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What is this even supposed to mean? You just don't want to acknowledge that she owed it to her supporters to show her face.

Dattier said:

Your opinion is in bad faith and irrelevant.

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Do you think Kamalie will run for Pres again or is she going back to Cali with her tail between her legs?

Dattier said:

Do you just mean the outgoing administration who will peacefully and honorably move out on their own?

If you've learned anything, it should include that you and I see next to nothing the same way, so it shouldn't surprise you that I don't know what you mean when you are vague and ominous. Unlike you, I won't assume what the other means in that situation. That's why I asked the question. A somewhat antagonistic question, perhaps, but sincere, as well.

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I can’t speak for Mac, but he’s probably referring to how Maga enforcers are going to stuff Kamalie in a garbage can, and throw her in the back of a garbage truck. Then Trump is gonna drive it to the landfill. That’s why he’s been practicing.
Is that what you needed to hear?

Dattier said:

I used a watered-down version of ghost's language to reply to ghost, hypocrite.


Note I said you'd be getting another such lesson. I didn't say you'd actually learn. Again, no comparison.

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Blind partisan hack

Dattier said:

I don't waste time w/ MSNBC. They're embarrassing, as Fox News should be to y'all if you had any self-awareness.

We do need to move further to the Left, but on things like taxes and unions, rather than leading with the culture war. We're in the right there, too, but it doesn't sell. We've been using a "Justice delayed is justice denied" approach to support pushing legitimate needs for racial and social justice so aggressively, but we've forgotten the "long" part of "The moral arc of the Universe is long, but it bends toward Justice." I would add that Justice delayed is better than Justice set back, and by pushing so hard, we've shot ourselves in the foot.

I'm pleasantly surprised to hear you voted for some Dems. I haven't voted for a Republican in any race since 1992, though I really want a GOP candidate worth voting for. Did you vote for Mo Green for Superintendent of public schools or/and Josh Stein for Governor, or did you just leave either or both blank?

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It’s rude to ask people who they voted for. Minimal social skills

GhostOf301 said:

Of course I don't care about her not having the decency to speak to her supporters. I am simply pointing out what kind of low character she is and won't get called for it by the people who worry themselves with with the other side.

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Your opinion is in bad faith and irrelevant.

Mac9192 said:

Nice try. But I think even you know that’s not who I’m referring to.

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Do you just mean the outgoing administration who will peacefully and honorably move out on their own?

If you've learned anything, it should include that you and I see next to nothing the same way, so it shouldn't surprise you that I don't know what you mean when you are vague and ominous. Unlike you, I won't assume what the other means in that situation. That's why I asked the question. A somewhat antagonistic question, perhaps, but sincere, as well.

Dattier said:

Uh, wrong. The results aren't official yet, and the VP is waiting for that to concede gracefully, and later she will peacefully, gracefully preside over the election certification. She'll be the third VP to do so with dignity, grace, and selflessness, following Nixon in '60 and Gore in '00. As for not speaking to her followers, gMLy. You don't care about her supporters. If anything, you just wanna laugh at her somberness.

Hillary Clinton conceded the very night of the 2016 election. There were the customary recounts where it was close, as there always should be. There were emotional objections over the pop vote v EC, as there always will be from the emotional and uneducated. But it's some equivocating crap to act as if it was anything like our President-elect's deceitful 2020 lies and the Jan 6th attempt to overthrow a legitimate election.

Dignity accepting disappointing truths relative to the GOP? Absolutely. 100%.

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She’ll show up. We’ll see about the gracefully part. And wtf does gMLy mean? We aren’t all familiar with the text speak of 12 year old girls like you

Dattier said:

A madman skilled at whipping up anger fired y'all up in 2016. The Left was mad his entire first term. During President Biden's one term, y'all were mad the entire time. You also started calling on the Left to answer for his shortcomings and failures, and were largely met with crickets. In part, the candidate we preferred won and we had less reason to be mad anymore. The difference is that for President Trump's first term, y'all stayed furious the entire time, and you'll stay furious for his entire second term. He wants you like that. You're easier to manipulate that way. Contributing, you expected the Left to take it and shut up after 2016 exactly like y'all didn't for President Obama's entire tenure because you're insecure hypocrites.

You're going to get another 4-year lesson in how the Left respects the election outcome but won't bow to your fascism. That's too complicated for y'all to even fathom.

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Have you ever actually watched a Trump rally? Never seen much rage or fury I see a lot of everyday Americans who are quick to laugh, smile easily, and seem very relaxed and at peace. You’ve taken Jan 6 and pretended like that’s reflective of half the country. The rest of the country moved on years ago. I’m around Trump supporters all day. Haven’t seen any rage, very little profanity. You continue to stereotype half the country I see people who want affordable groceries, a secure border, crime to be taken seriously. Most of all, I hear people who are tired of being lectured to about what to eat, what to drive, what pronouns to use, etc.

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Again, you don't care in the slightest about her supporters and whether she spoke to them or not. You wanted to gloat at her demeanor. That's all. You constantly say her supporters are unilaterally stupid, sick, and evil. You don't give a ML that they didn't get any comforting face-time w/ the VP. You're concern-trolling. That's all.

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Of course I don't care about her not having the decency to speak to her supporters. I am simply pointing out what kind of low character she is and won't get called for it by the people who worry themselves with with the other side.

smashmouth5 said:

No. And voted for some dems in local elections. The amazing thing is the progressives are saying the best way forward for democrats is to move to the left even more. I also had no idea until I watched MSNBC this morning that Hispanics hate African Americans and African American males hate women.

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I don't waste time w/ MSNBC. They're embarrassing, as Fox News should be to y'all if you had any self-awareness.

We do need to move further to the Left, but on things like taxes and unions, rather than leading with the culture war. We're in the right there, too, but it doesn't sell. We've been using a "Justice delayed is justice denied" approach to support pushing legitimate needs for racial and social justice so aggressively, but we've forgotten the "long" part of "The moral arc of the Universe is long, but it bends toward Justice." I would add that Justice delayed is better than Justice set back, and by pushing so hard, we've shot ourselves in the foot.

I'm pleasantly surprised to hear you voted for some Dems. I haven't voted for a Republican in any race since 1992, though I really want a GOP candidate worth voting for. Did you vote for Mo Green for Superintendent of public schools or/and Josh Stein for Governor, or did you just leave either or both blank?