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Top Recruiting Classes Are Getting Old

It's all a crapshoot. Duke has been unlucky that many of the kids coming in weren't as good as we needed them to be. Not just the years mentioned, but a few other teams since 2000 have been below par. The 12 and 14 teams come to mind. We've been more than blessed though. Who would have known Tyus was a dog, or that Grayson had that killer instinct in him?

We can only hope Flagg is everything we've been told, and that the other guys are ready for the big time too.
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Deng leaving and livingston going pro hurt. My memory is we still brought in great classes on paper. But guys like Paulus. Boateng?, Nelson, King etc did not live up to their rankings. And we had a bunch of transfers. We were usually a big man short, and TH just destroyed us up front. I remember Paulus was the USA Today player of the year in football and basketball. That is big time.
Boateng needed development along with Jamal B. Taylor was a completely different story. His issues were not pt or talent, it was him.

Top Recruiting Classes Are Getting Old

Dockery was a McDonald's All American. He was rated as one of the top 10 point guards in the country, and among the top 30 players overall. The sad reality is he's just one of several guys that came along during that stretch that just weren't as good as Duke needed them to be.
Dockery was a combo guard. Once JJ committed, it was determined Sean would play pg. He did not develop into a natural pg. He was a good lead guard. If he was the sg, then we may be having a different conversation. The reality is JJ was here.
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this will be a real test of Hubert's coaching ability. Even if they get a big body, it won't be the usual inside-out style of play that the Cheaters love. They will find it tough to get rebounds to start the fast break. Their guards are small and I'm not sold on Cadeau. Good passer, not much else.

I'm not saying Hubert won't pull a rabbit out of his hat but this is not an intimidating team. I see Davis breaking all sorts of shooting and scoring records but not much else.
Agree about cadeau. He played fairly well against us but he doesn’t worry me as much. Reminds me of a shorter Kendall Marshall. The kid could only pass but the media loved him. Even my unc buddies were dumbfounded that Marshall decided to go pro early. Then, he was picked like 13th! I couldnt blame him but what the heck were gms thinking?
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Deng leaving and livingston going pro hurt. My memory is we still brought in great classes on paper. But guys like Paulus. Boateng?, Nelson, King etc did not live up to their rankings. And we had a bunch of transfers. We were usually a big man short, and TH just destroyed us up front. I remember Paulus was the USA Today player of the year in football and basketball. That is big time.

Top Recruiting Classes Are Getting Old

Dockery was a McDonald's All American. He was rated as one of the top 10 point guards in the country, and among the top 30 players overall. The sad reality is he's just one of several guys that came along during that stretch that just weren't as good as Duke needed them to be.
I do recall him being a McDonalds All American now, you are correct. I saw he was the 9th rated PG in his class and one would assume that’s a top 50 or so guy, must have been a heavy PG class! Rivals/247 don’t list actual rankings until 2003 so can’t tell his exact ranking.

Regardless, Dockery didn’t contribute as much as a McDonalds AA should have, no doubt about it. But I don’t feel like he set the program back.
He was never recruited to be the starting Duke PG as we already had Duhon, Ewing, and we’re gonna land Livingston. Seemed more like guard depth. Paulus was recruited to be “the guy, “ the next great Duke PG and it was a disaster. Not only was the on court production rough, but there were always rumors where he was telling recruits NOT to come to Duke. Paulus set the program back IMO and fitting that we won the title the year after he left.

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Chris do you think Ian Jackson can defend Cooper Flagg if they both play the 3? Flagg would have 4 inch height advantage. If I’m Duke I love that matchup.
For sure a matchup to exploit but Flagg would also have to guard Jackson. This reminds me of when unc got bullock and unc fans thought they were going to dominate us because Nolan would be matched up with a 6’6” guard. It isn’t a 1 vs 1 game plus a matchup can go both ways during the course of a game.

Top Recruiting Classes Are Getting Old

The 06 team IMO was very fools gold. We started out super hot and beat Texas in December by 40 in what was at the time #1 versus #2. But JJ was absolutely insanely scorching nets those first couple of months. McRoberts was solid, but we needed him to be transcendent. I believe at the time he was the highest rated recruit ever to Duke, which the ratings started around 01 I believe.

Once we got scouted (take away JJ and there’s not much else to worry about) we were doomed. We relied on a freshman PG Paulus which I do believe was a backup plan to what could have been a SO Sean Livingston. When your guards are Paulus and JJ, your perimeter defense is gonna be slow. Shelden could clean most of that up though.

I actually thought for Dockery being a 4 star recruit ranked in the 50s he had a pretty solid Duke career. His defensive mentality made sense next to JJ. And I never felt like he tried to do too much. Dockery also made a half court buzzer beater to beat VT his senior year. All in all, I wasn’t shocked when a very athletic LSU team beat us in the sweet 16. JJ needed to be “Redick-ulous” for us to make a run and he was just average.
Dockery was a McDonald's All American. He was rated as one of the top 10 point guards in the country, and among the top 30 players overall. The sad reality is he's just one of several guys that came along during that stretch that just weren't as good as Duke needed them to be.
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The 06 team IMO was very fools gold. We started out super hot and beat Texas in December by 40 in what was at the time #1 versus #2. But JJ was absolutely insanely scorching nets those first couple of months. McRoberts was solid, but we needed him to be transcendent. I believe at the time he was the highest rated recruit ever to Duke, which the ratings started around 01 I believe.

Once we got scouted (take away JJ and there’s not much else to worry about) we were doomed. We relied on a freshman PG Paulus which I do believe was a backup plan to what could have been a SO Sean Livingston. When your guards are Paulus and JJ, your perimeter defense is gonna be slow. Shelden could clean most of that up though.

I actually thought for Dockery being a 4 star recruit ranked in the 50s he had a pretty solid Duke career. His defensive mentality made sense next to JJ. And I never felt like he tried to do too much. Dockery also made a half court buzzer beater to beat VT his senior year. All in all, I wasn’t shocked when a very athletic LSU team beat us in the sweet 16. JJ needed to be “Redick-ulous” for us to make a run and he was just average.

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2005 and 2006 included JJ Redick and Sheldon Williams. There was no OAD’s from 2005-2009. Those years included experience players and we still struggled. Again, I’ll take OAD’s over that stretch!
32 - 4 05/06... Lost to an athletic team of LSU. Disappointing? Yes. We had no answer for their frontcourt. Did we struggle win wise...HELL NO!

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this will be a real test of Hubert's coaching ability. Even if they get a big body, it won't be the usual inside-out style of play that the Cheaters love. They will find it tough to get rebounds to start the fast break. Their guards are small and I'm not sold on Cadeau. Good passer, not much else.

I'm not saying Hubert won't pull a rabbit out of his hat but this is not an intimidating team. I see Davis breaking all sorts of shooting and scoring records but not much else.
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I agree that Duke was lean from 05-09, made worse that the holes won it twice during that stretch. But the holes have had their share of lean years too. Their teams from 98-04 weren't exactly scaring anyone.

Maybe our lack of success during that stretch was we due to not landing any oad's. Not sure I fully buy that, but what I do think is we had a few year stretch where our talent wasn't quite as good as the ratings suggested. Everybody always picks on Paulus and McRoberts. But Dockery didn't exactly blaze any trails with his play either. I also remember Nelson coming in with all this hype about setting scoring records from California. Nothing against him, but he was just an ok player.

Duke baseball -- 2024 season

I think it'd take a lot of things going wrong for this team to not host a regional; their goal should be two more ACC series wins which would, I think, give them a shot at a top-8 seed.

Their RPI hurts them (22 going into tonight) but this was the game they needed to win to really boost it (ECU was 9). Win 2 of 3 at Georgia Tech this weekend (they're 46) and then 2 of 3 against UNC (they're 6) in the last series, I think that top-8 seed is a real possibility.
Thanks Conor, and for the article as well.Wow, Beilenson has had a heckuva year out of the 'pen!!

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Top Recruiting Classes Are Getting Old

That 2005-2009 were bookend titles for UNC and they went to a FF in 2008 and Elite 8 in 2007. So it sucked double that we were not making deep runs in the tournament and they were plus Hans”off me”bro went 4-0 in Cameron. That 2010 title was certainly refreshing but, if we’re being honest, no Duke fan thought *that* Duke team would win it all. I think we felt good about our chances after beating Baylor and West Virginia. Sweet title, nonetheless.

Top Recruiting Classes Are Getting Old

If you look at the 2005 - 2009 years, kids had to take time to be developed. I would go so far to say Coach K was picky with 90% of his recruits.
2005 and 2006 included JJ Redick and Sheldon Williams. There was no OAD’s from 2005-2009. Those years included experience players and we still struggled. Again, I’ll take OAD’s over that stretch!

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My guess is Cade is a stretch 4. Ian Jackson, a 6-5 5 star looked pretty good in the MacDonald's game
He is likely their 3 with the 2 returning guards. They also have 6-9 Withers who may thrive with more minutes. He averaged 10 and 7 for Louisville 2 years ago.
Chris do you think Ian Jackson can defend Cooper Flagg if they both play the 3? Flagg would have 4 inch height advantage. If I’m Duke I love that matchup.
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I think it'd take a lot of things going wrong for this team to not host a regional; their goal should be two more ACC series wins which would, I think, give them a shot at a top-8 seed.

Their RPI hurts them (22 going into tonight) but this was the game they needed to win to really boost it (ECU was 9). Win 2 of 3 at Georgia Tech this weekend (they're 46) and then 2 of 3 against UNC (they're 6) in the last series, I think that top-8 seed is a real possibility.
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