Tre Cam K and player development

[Longtimeuserbannedyearsago]

k has recruited some of the best player and people possible. I will miss Zion like no other player before. He took over Jason williams as favorite duke player.

My opinions I think hold up

Duke would barely make the tournament without Zion

K just doesn’t develop players like he used to.

RJ is a baller, but He played really bad at times, k never once got on him and he continued doing the same things that didn’t work all year long. We don’t see practice but the same issues continued all year so I assume he didn’t get on him in practice

Cam is most overrated recruit in dukes history. His D is solid but he might be one of the worst offensive players that will be drafted at duke

Tre jones not attacking at all this game hurt ... next to no fast break points when we don’t have a half course offense

Bolden is just bad, he has moments, but he doesn’t break a sweat ever because he doesn’t play hard and he doesn’t leave his area to rebound

I’ve never seen a player take such a 180 as jack white in a season, the fact he never got out of it is a reflection on the coaches

K has recuitrd the one and dnes but his other 7-9 scholarship players are just not that good... need a balance, Grayson was rare to have last year

Pgs win championships, duke had one on defense but not one on offense. Tre made no one better offensively

Again, duke without Zion this year might not be top 25

K is just too soft on the one and dones and we’re getting the same mistakes all season long

 

[Devil INA Blue Dress]

What a terrible post. Go away

 

[acc hoops]

7 turnovers for RJ. Terrible coaching. Zion should have been on FT line and every possession should have tried to get the ball to him.

 

[BM16]

I agree with alot that you say. Was just discussing this with someone as well. Take the 2010 team that beat Butler. I never would have ever pegged that team to win a title that year. But Coach K did an outstanding job developing them and they were a veteran squad with alot of experience and cohesion which paid off in those big games. What do you expect to develop with a guy that is heading the pros in 4 months after the season is over? The one and done seems like an easy way out for K on coaching and developing like he used to, it seems very obvious to me especially with how this year's team never improved. Coach K is HOF legendary but he is not immortal from criticism.

 

[topps coach]

k has recruited some of the best player and people possible. I will miss Zion like no other player before. He took over Jason williams as favorite duke player.

My opinions I think hold up

Duke would barely make the tournament without Zion

K just doesn’t develop players like he used to.

RJ is a baller, but He played really bad at times, k never once got on him and he continued doing the same things that didn’t work all year long. We don’t see practice but the same issues continued all year so I assume he didn’t get on him in practice

Cam is most overrated recruit in dukes history. His D is solid but he might be one of the worst offensive players that will be drafted at duke

Tre jones not attacking at all this game hurt ... next to no fast break points when we don’t have a half course offense

Bolden is just bad, he has moments, but he doesn’t break a sweat ever because he doesn’t play hard and he doesn’t leave his area to rebound

I’ve never seen a player take such a 180 as jack white in a season, the fact he never got out of it is a reflection on the coaches

K has recuitrd the one and dnes but his other 7-9 scholarship players are just not that good... need a balance, Grayson was rare to have last year

Pgs win championships, duke had one on defense but not one on offense. Tre made no one better offensively

Again, duke without Zion this year might not be top 25

K is just too soft on the one and dones and we’re getting the same mistakes all season long

This is ridiculous.In the 2019 climate Of Oad no one can maximize player development.The greatest player in our history Christian Laettner took three years to develop.As a freshman he missed a FT that cost us a game.Do not know if K will be here when the NBA ends the one and done rule when it does you will see players develop ad they stay in the program

 

[RanDEVILman]

How about noticing the way K got this team to play to it’s strengths, specifically suffocating team D. No coach can focus on every skill. Ol Roy does an awesome job of developing posts, but my UNC fans are always critical of his failure to teach good on ball/ball screen defense. As a coach you can’t teach it all. Rick Majerus once estimated a coach can focus on 3 things and the rest has to happen naturally. In one year K got this team to buy into a defensive personality, run a simple ball drive offense, and did that while battling injuries to basically every key player minis RJ.
I sear some of you guys don’t deserve to be a Duke fan.

 

[Longtimeuserbannedyearsago]

This is ridiculous.In the 2019 climate Of Oad no one can maximize player development.The greatest player in our history Christian Laettner took three years to develop.As a freshman he missed a FT that cost us a game.Do not know if K will be here when the NBA ends the one and done rule when it does you will see players develop ad they stay in the program

Who hasn’t developed on dukes team, there’s 13 scholarship players? Javin is the only one I’ve seen improve and he still is only serviceable. K has recruited the one and dones great but hasn’t recruited role players well, and hasn’t developed them. I didn’t expect the frosh to completely change but our bench was not existent.

 

[RanDEVILman]

Who hasn’t developed on dukes team, there’s 13 scholarship players? Javin is the only one I’ve seen improve and he still is only serviceable. K has recruited the one and dones great but hasn’t recruited role players well, and hasn’t developed them. I didn’t expect the frosh to completely change but our bench was not existent.

Bolden has his best year yet. You said Jav already. Jack White never played before this season. Goldwire ride the bench last year and shut down Cam Johnson in ACCT

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

It’s hard to develop when you’ve got so many guys coming to showcase their talent for a year. It’s like you have to go one way or the other recruiting.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

7 turnovers for RJ. Terrible coaching. Zion should have been on FT line and every possession should have tried to get the ball to him.

Zion wasnt much better with 5.

 

[IAmForHeel]

Fails to develop bench and always crying about "lack of depth".

 

[Longtimeuserbannedyearsago]

Bolden has his best year yet. You said Jav already. Jack White never played before this season. Goldwire ride the bench last year and shut down Cam Johnson in ACCT

Boldens best year was still bad, jr, McDonald’s AA. Goldwire played 3-4 games significant minutes and wasn’t good enough to play more than a few seconds vs MSU. Goldwire was recruited without being seen in person. Crazy! Jack white started awesome and ended his last two months as bad as possible. AOC no development, lost on D. The frosh, cam and RJ made same mistakes all year.

Dukes best game was their first game of the year, tough.

 

[Mac9192]

The op is right. Our bench is bad. Javin played really well the last couple weeks, but he isn't where he should be. It’s ok to say they’re not good basketball players. That’s not saying we don’t like them. They all seem like good kids.

We can come up with a bunch of what if’s on why we didn’t win, and they’re all true as individual examples. But the core reason we lost is basic math. We have to guard 5 guys that can score. The other team has to worry about 2 of ours.

Up one with the game in critical time, Michigan State had choices, and honestly I didn’t think that kid would take that shot.

Everyone in the arena knew who our choices were. We lost because of that. Focus hard on Zion and RJ and keep an eye on the other 3.

Zion just wasn’t enough. I’m gonna miss that kid.

 

[BlueDevilWildcat]

I get tired of guys using the GOAT argument as if it applied to current coaching ability vs. a lifetime achievement award. There are clearly current coaches who could take this amount of ridiculous talent every year and do a lot more with it. One of those coaches is just down 15-501.

Agree with the above poster, Zion is my all-time favorite player, I'm disappointed for him and the rest of the guys, gonna miss all of them.

 

[BeerPoisoning]

We would easily make the tournament without Zion, I just wouldn’t label us as contenders.

Coach hasn’t forgotten how to develop players, he has adapted to the OAD era. Getting such a generous amount of elite freshman talent annually hogs playing time. We have to allocate heavy minutes to the players who give us the best chance of winning. The current year is always the most important. Coach K isn’t going to shave 10 minutes off of each valuable player and gamble the win every game so the guys coming back next year will be better. I know how it SEEMS like he’s not developing players, but you have to sit back and look at the big picture to understand it. It’s not a coincidence that he developed players wonderfully before the OAD era vs now.

What issues continued with RJ? He’s an elite talent that warrants a strong defender every game, good scorers can’t prance around and only attack when they’re wide open because that’s once in a blue moon. Sure, he has pulled the trigger at times when I wish he hadn’t but that mentality exists within all elite players at the NBA and college level both. We are better off allowing him to take tough shots. Look at Kobe Bryant, he’s a baller... But man he has had some really ugly inefficient games. That’s the narrative of a volume scorer. If nobody else is stepping up to the plate, you will live and die by them.

I agree that Bolden chooses his effort level. Javin is highly foul prone and Zion racks up fouls more rapidly at the 5 spot. We can’t afford that, so we have to give him minutes. He’s our next best option. Or are you suggesting that he hasn’t developed? Sometimes great high school players just don’t translate the same dominance in college. It doesn’t help that he has been injury ridden annually. Nate James is a wonderful big man coach... He came in Zoubek’s senior season and evolved him. Ryan Kelly, Plumlee brothers, Amile all improved with him.

The whole “WHAT HAPPENED TO JACK WHITE!!!!!” saga is from lack of perspective. We played 12 games pre-conference, he played well offensively. 8 of those 12 games were against trash opponents. We only had 4 noteworthy opponents. Of those 4, the only team he shot well against was Texas Tech. Competition was stiffer in conference and his production naturally decreased. You have to remember that he only averaged 5 minutes per game last year (virtually didn’t play) — It’s highly unlikely that he suddenly became a force of nature for 9 games and much more reasonable to assume we were falsely advertised his talents by poor competition. I’ll admit that missing 25 straight threes is absolutely insane, but I’m not sure where coaching staff blame comes into play there.

To be fair, Cam’s scouting report notes that he has great form and a nice shooting stroke. Along with saying that he’s very inconsistent. I would credit that as the epitome of accurate. His high ranking was based on his physical intangibles and potential. This is also the same reasoning he will be a lottery pick.

Positionless basketball’s design is for any player to be the primary ball handler, not for a traditional style PG. I’ve said all year long that we needed to let Tre run the offense rather than participate. He has the ability to make us better, but only in a different styled offense. I think we should have thrown in some variety to utilize him properly, but we can’t change the 5 out / 4-1 motion that suits our 2 dominant scorers the best.

 

[RanDEVILman]

Boldens best year was still bad, jr, McDonald’s AA. Goldwire played 3-4 games significant minutes and wasn’t good enough to play more than a few seconds vs MSU. Goldwire was recruited without being seen in person. Crazy! Jack white started awesome and ended his last two months as bad as possible. AOC no development, lost on D. The frosh, cam and RJ made same mistakes all year.

Dukes best game was their first game of the year, tough.

Look man, no one said they all became studs. I said they developed. Every single one of them has developed. Maybe not as much as YOU would like them to, but they are getting better. But yeah, all the other teams in college basketball develop talent so much better, Duke just wins 30 games per year and ACC titles, and make the Elite 8 consistently.

 

[dachampishere2]

This was on Coach K just like 2017 was on Coach K. The more talent he gets the less he actually coaches and that doesn’t work when that talent is 18 year old freshmen. Coach K literally did no coaching this year. All he did was tell people their role and rolled the ball out there. He has his motivation tactics that work and drew up a few out of bound plays. Offensively we had no identity at all. We scored off of pure talent. Zion was as dominant a big man as you’ll see and he didn’t lead the team in shot attempts. That’s still puzzling to me. RJ is great but Coach K gave him more power than the most unstoppable player on the floor. Zion didn’t take a shot the last 2 minutes. Some of that is on RJ but I blame Coach K for not demanding that Zion touch the ball every time. Zion was the one that closed out the last 3 close games we played. Those plays that Bagley and Carter ran last year were non existent this year. No big to big screens or anything. Defensively we survived off pure athleticism and top notch individual defenders. I doubt he be able to sleep well for awhile after this one. To keep it real he has gotten lazy when it comes to actually coaching. Team USA and 2015 has spoiled him and he thinks it will just be easy having top talent and not coaching. Oh well. Hopefully Brad Stevens up next after he will retire.

 

[chov1125]

This was on Coach K just like 2017 was on Coach K. The more talent he gets the less he actually coaches and that doesn’t work when that talent is 18 year old freshmen. Coach K literally did no coaching this year. All he did was tell people their role and rolled the ball out there. He has his motivation tactics that work and drew up a few out of bound plays. Offensively we had no identity at all. We scored off of pure talent. Zion was as dominant a big man as you’ll see and he didn’t lead the team in shot attempts. That’s still puzzling to me. RJ is great but Coach K gave him more power than the most unstoppable player on the floor. Zion didn’t take a shot the last 2 minutes. Some of that is on RJ but I blame Coach K for not demanding that Zion touch the ball every time. Zion was the one that closed out the last 3 close games we played. Those plays that Bagley and Carter ran last year were non existent this year. No big to big screens or anything. Defensively we survived off pure athleticism and top notch individual defenders. I doubt he be able to sleep well for awhile after this one. To keep it real he has gotten lazy when it comes to actually coaching. Team USA and 2015 has spoiled him and he thinks it will just be easy having top talent and not coaching. Oh well. Hopefully Brad Stevens up next after he will retire.

Although I strenuously disagree with most of this, I do think our half court offense needed adjustments this year. Every game teams started packing the paint more and more against us and it took away room to maneuver for our two best players. At some point we need to adjust and run plays that would move players around so the defense couldn’t remain in place. It was nice being able to dump the ball into Zion and watch him go. Michigan St did a great job taking that away, we turned it over several times trying to get him the ball deep. We needed something to run off our basic set that would keep the defense honest. The lob to Zion was out. That left RJ diving into a crowded lane and trying to draw contact. It was too much iso IMO. Our base offense played to our strengths. But we had no counter when the opposition continued to adjust throughout the year.

 

[dukiejay]

I anticipated shooting would be an Achilles heel before the season started. I never expected it to be as bad as what it turned out to be, though. When we made shots, we were almost unbeatable. When we didn't, we became much easier to guard.

 

[dachampishere2]

Although I strenuously disagree with most of this, I do think our half court offense needed adjustments this year. Every game teams started packing the paint more and more against us and it took away room to maneuver for our two best players. At some point we need to adjust and run plays that would move players around so the defense couldn’t remain in place. It was nice being able to dump the ball into Zion and watch him go. Michigan St did a great job taking that away, we turned it over several times trying to get him the ball deep. We needed something to run off our basic set that would keep the defense honest. The lob to Zion was out. That left RJ diving into a crowded lane and trying to draw contact. It was too much iso IMO. Our base offense played to our strengths. But we had no counter when the opposition continued to adjust throughout the year.

We didnt do any new actions to get him the ball. The same thing over and over again. That’s a coaching issue. No cross screens or anything. No big to big screens. Then we would overload the side we’re trying to post him up on. I’ll never get that one. What happened to the elbow clear out we used to do with Jabari and even Bagley last year.

 

[tp394]

I know it’s not gonna happen but if there was ever someone who came in so highly rated but still needs another year it’s cam. Jmo. But yeah it won’t happen sadly

 

[Longtimeuserbannedyearsago]

I anticipated shooting would be an Achilles heel before the season started. I never expected it to be as bad as what it turned out to be, though. When we made shots, we were almost unbeatable. When we didn't, we became much easier to guard.

This, but we never adjusted. It was shoot a ton of 3's and hope we get hot, we almost never did, and had way too close of games because of it. I was really shocked tre didn't push the ball more, but I assume this was to rest our players as we had no bench.

The biggest problem we had was the lack of movement offensively then shooting 3's, the D never got out of position and we didn't dominate offense or defensive boards like we should have with our length and athleticism.

Zion masked a lot of issues, he really really did. He is so frichan good. Wish RJ played with his motor, RJ so talented but loafed a ton, especially getting back on D.

Bolden has his moments, but would not leave his area to get a rebound. I also think bolden didn't make one shot this year that wasn't a layup or dunk. He was probably 0-20 on jump hooks.

 

[RanDEVILman]

K did no coaching? I would argue anyone who believes that has 0 experience coaching basketball and possibly 0 experience playing the game. I have seen teams with NO coaching. Go to your local AAU tournament, you can see a lot of NO coaching. Duke this year had a defensive identity. Yes it was based on pure athleticism, but you could clearly see game plan adjustments. Thats what gets me, is most fans think coaching means running a patterned offense or switching zone defenses every 4 trips. Those are signs of highly-coached teams, but so are the things Duke did this year:
1) Lots of Blocks- these came mostly from help side plays, not just 1v1. Yes, this is because of athleticism, but K understood he had it in spades and organized his team this way.
2) Switching vs. Hedging- we switched 1-5 a lot of the year (that takes coaching to coordinate that scheme) but some games we hedged ball screens or even trapped them. You think the guys were just winging it?
3) We had 2-3 offensive "concepts" that they ran every game. You could see the concepts switch from game to game. The special sets we ran were usually ineffective because of poor shooting spacing and a young team not executing well. So it took coaching to organize the team into spots on offensive that were conducive to the best abilities.
We as fans often work with a very narrow definition of coaching.

 

[dachampishere2]

K did no coaching? I would argue anyone who believes that has 0 experience coaching basketball and possibly 0 experience playing the game. I have seen teams with NO coaching. Go to your local AAU tournament, you can see a lot of NO coaching. Duke this year had a defensive identity. Yes it was based on pure athleticism, but you could clearly see game plan adjustments. Thats what gets me, is most fans think coaching means running a patterned offense or switching zone defenses every 4 trips. Those are signs of highly-coached teams, but so are the things Duke did this year:
1) Lots of Blocks- these came mostly from help side plays, not just 1v1. Yes, this is because of athleticism, but K understood he had it in spades and organized his team this way.
2) Switching vs. Hedging- we switched 1-5 a lot of the year (that takes coaching to coordinate that scheme) but some games we hedged ball screens or even trapped them. You think the guys were just winging it?
3) We had 2-3 offensive "concepts" that they ran every game. You could see the concepts switch from game to game. The special sets we ran were usually ineffective because of poor shooting spacing and a young team not executing well. So it took coaching to organize the team into spots on offensive that were conducive to the best abilities.
We as fans often work with a very narrow definition of coaching.

This was his second worst coaching job since 2015. He does much better with less talent. 2017 was just awful. This year he gave them too much leeway

 

[chov1125]

I’ll argue that I think we would have seen a lot more development if we had been healthy the entire year. Our core group never got a chance to find a rhythm throughout the year, it was always something. We never got to experience the same things as a complete group, which likely kept us young in some ways as well. Going through a full conference schedule together we could have seen certain things and adjusted off that. When you are constantly plugging and placing you never really grow as a single unit.

 

[denverexpat]

some interesting thoughts on this thread - makes me wonder what a pick and roll with RJ and Zion running it at the top of the key would have been like....hard to defend i imagine with some awesome dunks! I'll have to try it on NCAA2019

 

[GAAP]

This was his second worst coaching job since 2015. He does much better with less talent. 2017 was just awful. This year he gave them too much leeway

Fact: One of the reasons top kids come here is because of the freedom K gives them.

 

[pisgah101]

Fact: One of the reasons top kids come here is because of the freedom K gives them.

Yea that’s it

 

[kingbluedevil]

I know the game has changed over the years but I think the biggest difference in the way K coaches is he is more patient. The past couple of years I haven't seen him rip into the one and dones when they continue to make bad plays. I agree about our offense being too predictable MSU took away Zions spin and RJ's drive left

 

[saGz777]

Not sure how much you're going to get out of your bench, role players or non 'stars' if you dont encourage the individual growth in games. Is JJ the last guy we set screens for to get him shots? Why didnt we do that with AOC or Cam? Our guys sit around waiting for someone else to 'take the shot.' I don't see confidence when AOC in the game, for example. We seem to second guess ourselves and know the leash is one shot or one decision away from riding the pine and next to zero sets to get them a shot etc etc. JG is the most puzzling one for me. He was huge down the stretch and Tre Jones gave us ZERO on offense yesterday, but played hard on D. What would we have lost giving him 3 minutes off each half to play a fresh, more physical game with Cassius via JG?

 

[Tlass]

Go DUKE, GO Coach K!! Call me a homer, but I wouldn't trade Coach K for anybody... ACC champs, a bucket away from being in the final 4.. This was a great team that just fell short of the goal. It wasn't from lack of effort though.

 

[Longtimeuserbannedyearsago]

I know it’s not gonna happen but if there was ever someone who came in so highly rated but still needs another year it’s cam. Jmo. But yeah it won’t happen sadly

understatement of the year. I don't care how good of a defender you are (he was solid) when you shoot 35% from the field and have the number of turnovers and are not a good passer, you shouldn't be on the floor. Because of no bench, CAM played 30 minutes a game. I am 100% for letting players, especially young ones play through their mistakes (tatum, carter, etc), but halfway through the ACC you know what you had in CAM offensively, and it wasn't good. I know there were some close games this year where his +/- were obnoxious in the wrong direction.

Can someone tell me the last person at Duke to play heavy minutes and take a good number of shots and have a worse season than Cam offensively? I mean 35%, atrocious. What's crazy is he shot under 40% from 2 point fgs. Combine that with his turnovers and poor passing. I feel bad for who ever drafts him because he won't see an NBA lineup for a few years at minimum.

I saw a stat where Cam had less than 10 dunks on the season. Weird stat but to me shows a lot because he is athletic, long, and 6'8 or 6'9. If you watch him in warmups he gets up better than RJ. What it shows me and we all saw it was his inability to finish at the Rim, or even get to it without charging. I just can't believe Duke had a possible first or second pick pre season take over 400 shots and hit 35%. Duke had a 6'8, 6'9 wing player that couldn't do anything offensively near the rim. Zion was better than anyone could have imagined, if Cam would have been solid duke would have been almost unstoppable healthy.

I see i'm piling on Cam, but I'm looking at his stats and it's just numbing. He obviously should go if he's a top 15 pick because if he were to have another season close to this years, he could end up going the bolden path.

 

[Laettner]

understatement of the year. I don't care how good of a defender you are (he was solid) when you shoot 35% from the field and have the number of turnovers and are not a good passer, you shouldn't be on the floor. Because of no bench, CAM played 30 minutes a game. I am 100% for letting players, especially young ones play through their mistakes (tatum, carter, etc), but halfway through the ACC you know what you had in CAM offensively, and it wasn't good. I know there were some close games this year where his +/- were obnoxious in the wrong direction.

Can someone tell me the last person at Duke to play heavy minutes and take a good number of shots and have a worse season than Cam offensively? I mean 35%, atrocious. What's crazy is he shot under 40% from 2 point fgs. Combine that with his turnovers and poor passing. I feel bad for who ever drafts him because he won't see an NBA lineup for a few years at minimum.

I saw a stat where Cam had less than 10 dunks on the season. Weird stat but to me shows a lot because he is athletic, long, and 6'8 or 6'9. If you watch him in warmups he gets up better than RJ. What it shows me and we all saw it was his inability to finish at the Rim, or even get to it without charging. I just can't believe Duke had a possible first or second pick pre season take over 400 shots and hit 35%. Duke had a 6'8, 6'9 wing player that couldn't do anything offensively near the rim. Zion was better than anyone could have imagined, if Cam would have been solid duke would have been almost unstoppable healthy.

I see i'm piling on Cam, but I'm looking at his stats and it's just numbing. He obviously should go if he's a top 15 pick because if he were to have another season close to this years, he could end up going the bolden path.

Cam is gone. Another college season would show his deficiencies even more.

 

[Longtimeuserbannedyearsago]

Cam is gone. Another college season would show his deficiencies even more.

OH I agree with you, my point is an NBA team is going to take him and make a big mistake based on high school talent, not even high school production.

 

[dukiejay]

I actually think Cam will turn himself into a pretty functional NBA player. He wasn't as good as expected this season, but I also don't think he was as bad as some would lead you to believe, either.

Part of the problem was that we needed Cam to be better than he was, and he just wasn't yet. But based on his size, length, defensive ability and an offensive game that you can see with the naked eye, he has the tools to be pretty efficient at the next level.

 

[pisgah101]

It’ll depend on his drive and willingness to be better

 

[dukiejay]

It’ll depend on his drive and willingness to be better

Yep. And that's the one constant that has somewhat dogged him since high school. Just about every intangible a player could ask for, he possesses.

 

[K-oach Q]

IMO Cam just needs to work on his dribble and ability to shoot off of the dribble or the move...

His biggest defencency was losing the ball when he would try to create for himself. We rarely if ever ran a set to get him open or coming of a screen. He always had to create for himself or would get a jump shot when others collapsed.

He was a very good defender..one year of developing his handle and learning to shoot more off of movement and I could see him being pretty exceptional.

 

[denverexpat]

Cam's difficulties with creating is another reason to run more strucutured offense than the positionless system - we had all sorts of mismatch opportunities with our size and athletism, yet we struggled / stalled on offense a lot this season

 

[MyDudeG]

I actually don't think it was a motor issue with Cam at all this season. He never once let his offensive woes affect his defensive intensity. There were many games in which I thought he was actually too aggressive offensively as seen by his turnover to assist ratio. Crazy that a guy who was seen to fit the point-forward mold finished with 26 more turnovers than assists this season. At a certain point, you just have to call it how it is. He was not nearly efficient enough with the opportunities given to him this season. Cam even shot under 40% for 2 point field goals which is unheard of for a potential lottery pick. He will still be drafted in the lottery because of his physical attributes and track record prior to getting to Duke, but not based on what he's shown this past season. He still has a bright future and I look forward to seeing how he progresses at the next level, but he unfortunately never became a consistent offensive weapon with us which would have brought this team to new heights.