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It's hilarious that we're still talking about masks. The biggest joke in the history of policy making. There hasn't been a single mandate that has changed the trajectories of Covid cases. Including the vaccines. But some people just love being governed to the max. So brainwashed that they'd rather believe a government that has lied to us about everything under the sun than believe that there are much cheaper and more mitigating treatments and preventive measures than their FDA sponsored vaccines and treatments. Even at the expense of so many lives. But hey, some 270 "doctors" would shut this argument down.
 
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It's hilarious that we're still talking about masks. The biggest joke in the history of policy making. There hasn't been a single mandate that has changed the trajectories of Covid cases. Including the vaccines. But some people just love being governed to the max. So brainwashed that they'd rather believe a government that has lied to us about everything under the sun than believe that there are much cheaper and more mitigating treatments and preventive measures than their FDA sponsored vaccines and treatments. Even at the expense of so many lives. But hey, some 270 "doctors" would shut this argument down.
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Coach K mentioned how his wife (who is triple vaxxed) got Covid, and needed the monoclonal antibody treatments. Glad to hear she’s doing better and is recovered.

Makes you wonder. Why would any administration limit or halt any treatments what so ever that may be useful in treating a virus? Why would hospitals in Boston, Virginia or NC refuse to treat serious patients who need kidney or heart treatments who are not vaccinated? Seems odd. Almost like it’s not about health. But yeah, surely spin zone those reports.
 
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Coach K mentioned how his wife (who is triple vaxxed) got Covid, and needed the monoclonal antibody treatments. Glad to hear she’s doing better and is recovered.

Makes you wonder. Why would any administration limit or halt any treatments what so ever that may be useful in treating a virus? Why would hospitals in Boston, Virginia or NC refuse to treat serious patients who need kidney or heart treatments who are not vaccinated? Seems odd. Almost like it’s not about health. But yeah, surely spin zone those reports.
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Johns Hopkins report confirms what we already knew: lockdowns have little to no effect on public health. I’d take it a step further. Due to the deleterious effect on mental health, increased isolation, depression, addiction and a host of other ills, history will not judge lockdown advocates kindly
 
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Coach K mentioned how his wife (who is triple vaxxed) got Covid, and needed the monoclonal antibody treatments. Glad to hear she’s doing better and is recovered.

Makes you wonder. Why would any administration limit or halt any treatments what so ever that may be useful in treating a virus? Why would hospitals in Boston, Virginia or NC refuse to treat serious patients who need kidney or heart treatments who are not vaccinated? Seems odd. Almost like it’s not about health. But yeah, surely spin zone those reports.
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No need to spin it at all. There are lifestyle and health requirements for transplant recipients. Organs are a scarce resource so recipients are the people with the greatest chance of surviving the surgery and surviving post surgery. Hospitals around the country have determined that people who are not vaccinated for covid do not fit in that category. So yeah, it is very much about health.
www.beckershospitalreview.com

Boston hospital denies heart transplant for unvaccinated patient

Boston-based Brigham and Women's Hospital will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get vaccinated against COVID-19, CBS News reported Jan. 25.
www.beckershospitalreview.com www.beckershospitalreview.com
 
durhamgolfer said:
No need to spin it at all. There are lifestyle and health requirements for transplant recipients. Organs are a scarce resource so recipients are the people with the greatest chance of surviving the surgery and surviving post surgery. Hospitals around the country have determined that people who are not vaccinated for covid do not fit in that category. So yeah, it is very much about health.
www.beckershospitalreview.com

Boston hospital denies heart transplant for unvaccinated patient

Boston-based Brigham and Women's Hospital will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get vaccinated against COVID-19, CBS News reported Jan. 25.
www.beckershospitalreview.com www.beckershospitalreview.com
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DJ was 31. Nice try
 
durhamgolfer said:
No need to spin it at all. There are lifestyle and health requirements for transplant recipients. Organs are a scarce resource so recipients are the people with the greatest chance of surviving the surgery and surviving post surgery. Hospitals around the country have determined that people who are not vaccinated for covid do not fit in that category. So yeah, it is very much about health.
www.beckershospitalreview.com

Boston hospital denies heart transplant for unvaccinated patient

Boston-based Brigham and Women's Hospital will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get vaccinated against COVID-19, CBS News reported Jan. 25.
www.beckershospitalreview.com www.beckershospitalreview.com
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So basically it’s your theory that it’s perfectly fine to play god and selectively treat different people based on some misguided sense of self righteousness?

So on the one hand you want to mandate and force people to take an experimental jab, ( some places at least three times to rejoin society- cough, cough, duke University); and that is for everyone, even when the majority of people don’t necessarily even need it. Additionally, for two years thumbing their nose and totally dismissing the idea of natural immunity which would make your above premise a complete breach of medical practice and code for years. You’re selectively saying you can’t get this life saving treatment because you didn’t take this other thing that you may or may not even need. Do you not see the problem with that?

Not to mention you don’t even take into account any of the fact that these same experimental jabs, the data and research being conveniently locked up until like 2070 or something.

So Mrs. K can get the monoclonal treatment because she’s triple vaxed but someone in Florida cannot? Explain that.
 
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So basically it’s your theory that it’s perfectly fine to play god and selectively treat different people based on some misguided sense of self righteousness?

So on the one hand you want to mandate and force people to take an experimental jab, ( some places at least three times to rejoin society- cough, cough, duke University); and that is for everyone, even when the majority of people don’t necessarily even need it. Additionally, for two years thumbing their nose and totally dismissing the idea of natural immunity which would make your above premise a complete breach of medical practice and code for years. You’re selectively saying you can’t get this life saving treatment because you didn’t take this other thing that you may or may not even need. Do you not see the problem with that?

Not to mention you don’t even take into account any of the fact that these same experimental jabs, the data and research being conveniently locked up until like 2070 or something.

So Mrs. K can get the monoclonal treatment because she’s triple vaxed but someone in Florida cannot? Explain that.
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My point was that there were reasons for deciding that unvaccinated people were not eligible for organ transplants that were based on science. And sadly yes. With organs being a very limited resource, lines have to be drawn. You describe it as playing God. I see it as a common sense way to do the best for the most. That is simply the way it is. It would be grand if everyone who needed a new organ could walk into a hospital and get one but that is just not the reality of the situation. Doctors and hospitals are making touch decisions based the best information they have. But these "experimental jabs" as you call them are based on a lot of data and study before the epidemic broke out and as I understand it, the issue of whether natural immunity gives you greater protection than vaccinations do
is still very much up in the air. You are just going to dismiss all of that and will prefer to see some grand corporate greed machine sucking the life out of the health and welfare of Americans. As far as I am concerned, that was the Trump administration. Not the scientists who were trying their best to come up with solutions but Trump and his butt boys who pushed things that did not work and that they conveniently were invested in. You guys all tell me how brainwashed I am and then I see your talking points which tell me that it is actually you who needs your eyes opened. I realize there is no good outcome here. But when I see you completing besmirching doctors who are motivated to do the best for the most people, I have to step in.
 
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My point was that there were reasons for deciding that unvaccinated people were not eligible for organ transplants that were based on science. And sadly yes. With organs being a very limited resource, lines have to be drawn. You describe it as playing God. I see it as a common sense way to do the best for the most. That is simply the way it is. It would be grand if everyone who needed a new organ could walk into a hospital and get one but that is just not the reality of the situation. Doctors and hospitals are making touch decisions based the best information they have. But these "experimental jabs" as you call them are based on a lot of data and study before the epidemic broke out and as I understand it, the issue of whether natural immunity gives you greater protection than vaccinations do
is still very much up in the air. You are just going to dismiss all of that and will prefer to see some grand corporate greed machine sucking the life out of the health and welfare of Americans. As far as I am concerned, that was the Trump administration. Not the scientists who were trying their best to come up with solutions but Trump and his butt boys who pushed things that did not work and that they conveniently were invested in. You guys all tell me how brainwashed I am and then I see your talking points which tell me that it is actually you who needs your eyes opened. I realize there is no good outcome here. But when I see you completing besmirching doctors who are motivated to do the best for the most people, I have to step in.
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Tim laid out a reasoned argument and you respond with Trump and his butt boys. Not your finest hour
 
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Tim laid out a reasoned argument and you respond with Trump and his butt boys. Not your finest hour
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Yeah someone needs to tell Tim to reign it in. By her post to him, I’m afraid if he replies back to her, we might all need to pray for the well being of her lover tonight.

The Ol gal has a lot of anger brewing.
 
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My point was that there were reasons for deciding that unvaccinated people were not eligible for organ transplants that were based on science. And sadly yes. With organs being a very limited resource, lines have to be drawn. You describe it as playing God. I see it as a common sense way to do the best for the most. That is simply the way it is. It would be grand if everyone who needed a new organ could walk into a hospital and get one but that is just not the reality of the situation. Doctors and hospitals are making touch decisions based the best information they have. But these "experimental jabs" as you call them are based on a lot of data and study before the epidemic broke out and as I understand it, the issue of whether natural immunity gives you greater protection than vaccinations do
is still very much up in the air. You are just going to dismiss all of that and will prefer to see some grand corporate greed machine sucking the life out of the health and welfare of Americans. As far as I am concerned, that was the Trump administration. Not the scientists who were trying their best to come up with solutions but Trump and his butt boys who pushed things that did not work and that they conveniently were invested in. You guys all tell me how brainwashed I am and then I see your talking points which tell me that it is actually you who needs your eyes opened. I realize there is no good outcome here. But when I see you completing besmirching doctors who are motivated to do the best for the most people, I have to step in.
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If by talking points you mean common sense, I’m guilty as charged.

You’re continuing to use the failed premise that these “vaccines” are some foolproof solution to avoiding or diminishing any contraction of any Covid variant, without considering any subsequent side effects of the jab. A jab so effective that you have to get at least three, soon to be four (I’m sure) to continue to be effective. Again, while ignoring and dismissing any potential side effects. Why is the data being locked up for 50 years if it’s so safe? Would you take any other injection or drug without considering the side effects of said treatment? Probably not.

So again, the premise that you are denying one patient over another of a proven life saving treatment because of some false premise that the “vaccine” is all proven is a logical fallacy.

Using that logic I think we should say, everyone should show their medical profile showing a level of bmi, cholesterol etc in order to buy certain foods or eat at certain establishments. You can’t get any medical treatment like a bypass or transplant if you’re too unhealthy. Since you know, it’s about the limited availability. That to me would be a much fairer way to decide whether or not someone is higher or lower on the list for treatment.
 
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Here's a shocker. Study shows that shutdown and mandate policies had zero effect on trajectories.
 
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timo0402 said:
And in fact had negative effects on many other areas of society.
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Oh, timo, like what? An entire generation raised in fear? Kids with developed social disorders? A world full of nutty hypochondriacs? Record increases in drug addics and overdoses? People's businesses they put their lives into being crippled because they weren't "essential"? The inadvertent effects on violent crimes, including 22 cities with record homicide numbers? The unknown effects of mental illnesses? I am trying, but can't really see what you might be talking about.
 
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Oh, timo, like what? An entire generation raised in fear? Kids with developed social disorders? A world full of nutty hypochondriacs? Record increases in drug addics and overdoses? People's businesses they put their lives into being crippled because they weren't "essential"? The inadvertent effects on violent crimes, including 22 cities with record homicide numbers? The unknown effects of mental illnesses? I am trying, but can't really see what you might be talking about.
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Seeing my preschool niece in a mask at school is heartbreaking. Let the kids freaking live normally.
 
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Oh, timo, like what? An entire generation raised in fear? Kids with developed social disorders? A world full of nutty hypochondriacs? Record increases in drug addics and overdoses? People's businesses they put their lives into being crippled because they weren't "essential"? The inadvertent effects on violent crimes, including 22 cities with record homicide numbers? The unknown effects of mental illnesses? I am trying, but can't really see what you might be talking about.
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All a part of the plan.. raise up a generation of fearful pansy’s that view freedom as evil and selfish. To quote Lbj “ we’ll have those ***** voting Democrat for 200 years”
 
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If we can get 4 people in we’re down to 18k. 2 can watch the first half and 2 can watch the 2nd half 😂
 
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Meanwhile, in between diaper changes, naps and ice cream treats, our Joetato the POTATUS is led by the evil doctor to be put on display at the museum of civilization.

 
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Nice to see the CDC finally admit what every common sense conspiracy theorist thought- natural immunity protects you.
 
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My point was that there were reasons for deciding that unvaccinated people were not eligible for organ transplants that were based on science. And sadly yes. With organs being a very limited resource, lines have to be drawn. You describe it as playing God. I see it as a common sense way to do the best for the most. That is simply the way it is. It would be grand if everyone who needed a new organ could walk into a hospital and get one but that is just not the reality of the situation. Doctors and hospitals are making touch decisions based the best information they have. But these "experimental jabs" as you call them are based on a lot of data and study before the epidemic broke out and as I understand it, the issue of whether natural immunity gives you greater protection than vaccinations do
is still very much up in the air. You are just going to dismiss all of that and will prefer to see some grand corporate greed machine sucking the life out of the health and welfare of Americans. As far as I am concerned, that was the Trump administration. Not the scientists who were trying their best to come up with solutions but Trump and his butt boys who pushed things that did not work and that they conveniently were invested in. You guys all tell me how brainwashed I am and then I see your talking points which tell me that it is actually you who needs your eyes opened. I realize there is no good outcome here. But when I see you completing besmirching doctors who are motivated to do the best for the most people, I have to step in.
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There’s absolutely zero data that even gets close to showing sars co v 2 vaccines are as effective as natural immunity. Wow.
 
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Hahahahahahahahaha you just can’t do it man, pretty impressive.
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She has to be right. And the only way for that to happen is for her to deny reality and refuse to acknowledge that she has been duped. She puts her trust in the worst possible people only because they reside on the same side of the political aisle as her. Sometimes even disregarding the moderates on her side. You say it's impressive. I say it's very sad and disheartening.

The unvaccinated non maskers are not the ones who are keeping this pandemic going. The people who are blaming it on the unvaccinated and the non maskers are, by falling in line with the people who wish to keep us divided. They would rather blame the unvaccinated than the people who can actually do something about the virus by treating it and doing so with any and every tool available. India has 4 times the population, more density and half the covid cases America has.
 
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She has to be right. And the only way for that to happen is for her to deny reality and refuse to acknowledge that she has been duped. She puts her trust in the worst possible people only because they reside on the same side of the political aisle as her. Sometimes even disregarding the moderates on her side. You say it's impressive. I say it's very sad and disheartening.

The unvaccinated non maskers are not the ones who are keeping this pandemic going. The people who are blaming it on the unvaccinated and the non maskers are, by falling in line with the people who wish to keep us divided. They would rather blame the unvaccinated than the people who can actually do something about the virus by treating it and doing so with any and every tool available. India has 4 times the population, more density and half the covid cases America has.
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It’s truly an amazing phenomenon. And it’s not just her, it’s half the country it feels like. And it’s exactly what the powers at be want to happen. Keep us minions fighting at the surface level about shit that is inconsequential to keep us divided. Meanwhile they’re up there laughing and doing whatever they want in the background.
 
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Still a buffoon, but he has at least opened his eyes to what most libs refuse to.

 
Yeah, Maher is a buffoon. With Covid, he’s late to the party, but at least he’s shown up.
 
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Those same people also more likely to be miserable and depressed I would wager. I’ll choose freedom and take my chances
 
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Big shout out to Stacy Abrams who has the self awareness of most far left politicians. Taking a photo mask less with a group of children all masked up. Can’t make this shit up.
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They’re never held accountable. In an official statement she said it was despicable for her opponents to attack her since she was taking time out of her busy schedule for a Black History month reading And there it is, the ubiquitous race card. She couldn’t wear a mask for a few minutes. The kids have to for oh 7 hours or so. CHILD ABUSE
 
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