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Do unx fans ever notice how the school has made one argument to the NCAA & another to SACS? Or notice how they made one argument only to reveres it later on to suit their needs...?





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UNC takes the wrong path in defying the NCAA

Athletics Director Bubba Cunningham wouldn’t say what UNC-CH will do if the NCAA gives strong sanctions or penalties. He said the university will not sanction itself.

This is all profoundly disappointing. Someone in leadership in Chapel Hill has apparently decided that defiance and denial are the right strategies to employ. They are not. UNC-Chapel Hill is a public institution responsible to the people of North Carolina. University leaders, including Chancellor Carol Folt, seem to think they work for a private corporation. They could have put the crisis to rest with forthright, open responses to accusations. Instead, they’ve hidden behind lawyers and chosen secret legal strategy over candor and an open dialogue with the public......


http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/editorials/article153465134.html
 
Gold. Comedy gold. Crowder's excuse for adding non-athletes to the classes? "Access" and "fairness." BWAHAHAHA. Check out the ending. She's struggling and her lawyer steps in. The response? "Let's let Debby answer the question." BWAHAHAHAHA...

 
Poor Deb. Didn't do to well. Lulz...



Crowder threw Travis under the bus...

 
Another article from David Ridpath...

Further Analysis On North Carolina And Academic Fraud

I have been writing about the University of North Carolina and it's almost never-ending academic and athletic fraud case for quite some time. Literally--this has gone on for years, but mercifully this may all be coming to an end soon, but don't sleep on this thing yet as the end game is still up in the air and the NCAA may not be the actual last word.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavid...ademic-fraud-even-more-analysis/#2e8da77028cd
 
unx. Sometimes they invoke FERPA , sometimes they redact information and sometimes they agree to keep an interview confidential and then expose it anyway...

 
Makes sense to me...

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The UNC-CH argument is that more than just athletes were in the fraudulent classes, therefore it is an academic issue and not athletic. There is a test that is often used to determine if the defense (UNC-CH) was responsible, it is called the "but for test". In the UNC-CH case, but for MBB would the fraud have occurred. I think a reasonable person would come to the conclusion that the reason the fraud was created by Burgess McSwain was to help a couple of players on the MBB team and then it expanded. Crowder and N'Yangoro scaled and operationalized the fraud.

Michigan and Auburn occurred in a time before O'Bannon and Jenkins were on the forefront of the NCAA's mind. The NCAA allowed both to investigate themselves and they found no wrong-doing (there was definitely fraud). The UNC-CH case is different in that they investigated and did find fraud via the WR. UNC-CH sent the WR to the NCAA as evidence of their investigation. In addition, SACS (for the first time in history for a Tier 1 research university) placed UNC-CH on accreditation probation for lack of academic integrity, failure to provide oversight of athletics among other things.

UNC-cH is using the only defense available and there is always a chance it could work. I still believe the NCAA has overwhelming evidence (should they choose to use) in the following:

SACS rulings and related documentation
Transcripts
WR
Emails related to WR
Public evidence via McCants and Peppers of transcripts
Direct testimony
 
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"Boo-hoo...McCants exposed our cheating so let's take his jersey down." smh...

Rashad McCants should have his jersey removed from the Smith Center rafters 21

After years of disparaging his school, teammates, and coach, he is no longer deserving of the honor.

It has probably never occurred to anyone to establish criteria for when a jersey should come down. But there is one among that group of 43 that hangs uncomfortably, the presence of which cannot be reconciled with the purpose and spirit of the tradition of which it regrettably became a part.

It is jersey #32. The name on the back is McCants, and it needs to come down...


http://www.tarheelblog.com/2017/6/1...-north-carolina-jersey-tar-heels-smith-center
 
Good questions...

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Victoria Jackson. Former unx athlete and she lays the wood to the ol' alma mater. Ouch...!

Thoughts on UNC Response to NCAA’s 2nd Amended NOA

For me, the story within the scandal which encapsulates its tragic nature most powerfully is what happened to Rashad McCants when he came forward to talk about his schedule of classes during the spring 2005 semester when Carolina earned its first national title under Roy Williams. The image of Jay Bilas interviewing Williams with some of his former athletes standing behind him, some uncomfortably, as the coach threw McCants under the bus, is haunting...


https://victoriajacksonsports.com/2017/06/01/thoughts-on-unc-response-to-ncaas-to-2nd-amended-noa/
 
A UNC course that dealt with athletics scandal is canceled. Now some want to know why

A UNC-Chapel Hill course on big-time college sports was canceled for the coming year, records show, after administrative angst and an offer by UNC’s athletic director to teach the class instead of an outspoken professor.

The course, “Big-Time College Sports and the Rights of Athletes, 1956 to the present,” was taught last summer and fall by history professor Jay Smith, whose expertise is in French and European history. Smith developed the sports course after co-writing “Cheated,” a 2015 book that chronicles UNC’s long-running scandal involving “paper classes” that never met and disproportionately benefited athletes.

Smith’s History 383 course got overwhelmingly positive student reviews. But it was kept off the schedule for the coming academic year. That prompted a letter of protest signed by 45 history faculty in April, calling the cancellation “a serious infringement of freedom of inquiry, a fundamental feature of intellectual life in every authentic university.”


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article154031604.html

 
An Interesting Reaction To The UNC Scandal And One Critical Class Canceled

Victoria Jackson is a formidable woman who writes very well and who values character and honor

Most importantly, she is a UNC graduate and a former athlete with a real sense of honor. Her voice should be listened to. Quite frankly, she could have saved UNC a ton of humiliation and a considerable amount of money. We have no idea what she does for a living but her alma mater could really use her.


http://www.dukebasketballreport.com...nd-one-critical-class-canceled-acc-basketball
 
An Interesting Reaction To The UNC Scandal And One Critical Class Canceled

Victoria Jackson is a formidable woman who writes very well and who values character and honor

Most importantly, she is a UNC graduate and a former athlete with a real sense of honor. Her voice should be listened to. Quite frankly, she could have saved UNC a ton of humiliation and a considerable amount of money. We have no idea what she does for a living but her alma mater could really use her.


http://www.dukebasketballreport.com...nd-one-critical-class-canceled-acc-basketball
Victoria Jackson PhD is a lecturer at Arizona State. She studies the history of sports, so her perspective is legit.
 
A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

More From Professor Debby's testimony, it is clear priority registration for athletes is not needed at UNC.


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A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

UNC Athletics provides lists to departments for enrollment & athletes are manually enrolled, even in over capacity classes that are closed.


A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

Athletes were added to class rosters after the drop/add deadline. Why? Struggles in one class could be offest with a guaranteed A in AFAM.


A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

Hmmm. Julius was out of town & could not sign his grade sheets but he was available to receive the papers & complete the grading?


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A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

I think it was @darenlucas40 that suggested when Julius was in Africa, Deb mailed the papers to him.
 
A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

Work flow, if that argument is to be believed... (1) students submit papers at the end of the semester. (2) Debby forwards them to Africa...


A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

(3) Julius reads every paper and assign a grade based on the quality of work submitted. (4) Julius emails grades back to Debby....

A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

(5) Debby completes the grade sheets, signs and submits.

A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

Steps 1-5 all occur in the 2 weeks between the end of the semester and when grades are due. Does that sound plausible?

A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

Before someone argues the papers could have been emailed to Julius, this all occurred in the era of 250mb POP/IMAP mailbox limits.
 
A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

"(Julius) was doing 100% of the grading himself."

You sure. Professor Debby seems to think she was grading.


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A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

Professor Debby: "Did I read every word. No." And there is your "equal rigor" "customized educational opportunities."
 
A Course Too Hot to Handle?

Academics at UNC want to know what was wrong with plans for a class dealing with athletics scandals, including one at Chapel Hill.”

Three years after a major report revealed the scope of academic fraud at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- 3,100 students over two decades, many of them athletes -- some allege the university may still be trying to cover it up.

Jay Smith, a professor of history who developed a course on universities and big-time athletics, including the UNC scandal, says the university won’t allow him to offer the class this year over concerns about “blowback...”


https://www.insidehighered.com/news...e-based-chapel-hill-athletic-academic-scandal
 
UNC-CH ends a class its leaders should take – the history of big-time college sports

If ever there was a college campus where a history course in college athletics – “big-time” athletics – was more appropriate, or more needed, it’s the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

But it’s clear after a report from The News & Observer’s Jane Stancill on the cancellation of such a course that administrators at the university don’t agree. They continue to have the same attitude about the scandal regarding “paper” courses and their alleged popularity with athletes almost since the beginning: Ignore it and it will go away. Or, this is a public relations problem. Or, the media is out to get us. Or, it’s not really that bad.

This is a disgraceful response from people who are supposed to stand for academic freedom, for college campuses as places for open and free and sometimes unpopular dialogue, for the university as a marketplace of ideas and fearless discussion.

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/jim-jenkins/article154967054.html
 
Kane...

UNC quickly made Deborah Crowder’s interview public. Does it help, or hurt, the university’s case with the NCAA?

‘Think middle school’


Crowder objected to evidence that the classes were easy. Amy Kleissler, an learning specialist in the academic support program, said in one email that she advised a tutor working with football players to “think middle school” when it came to the quality of paper required.


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article155120374.html
 
Kane...

UNC quickly made Deborah Crowder’s interview public. Does it help, or hurt, the university’s case with the NCAA?

‘Think middle school’


Crowder objected to evidence that the classes were easy. Amy Kleissler, an learning specialist in the academic support program, said in one email that she advised a tutor working with football players to “think middle school” when it came to the quality of paper required.


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article155120374.html

Maybe Cameron Johnson with his superior intellect can lift the team average GPA up from sea level.... I am sure Ol Roy will have CJ penciled in for some serious team tutoring....
#Not
#RoyKnew

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Mary. Good questions too...



Latest UNC response & questions to ponder


http://paperclassinc.com/the-beat-goes-on/

Can a Single Course Jeopardize an Academic Department?

Mr. Smith’s case is unusual in that his course dealt directly with a tarnished aspect of the university’s recent past. While it’s not immediately clear whether the content of the class explained why it was not scheduled for this fall, Mr. Smith said the decision was still unjustifiable.

"You would think that administrators here would want to take every precaution to make it seem as though they’re supporting the academic mission of the institution," he said. "But on the contrary, they’ve made this almost outlandish move to get a course on the history of big-time college sports off the books because they are evidently sensitive to discussion about these issues.


http://www.chronicle.com/article/Can-a-Single-Course-Jeopardize/240299

Dan Kane Is Back With Another Dose Of UNC Scandal

Slowly but surely he’s pulling the threads of this together

Remember that old joke about how you know it’s a bad day when 60 Minutes is on the phone?

It must be like that in Chapel Hill these days whenever Dan Kane has a story up at the News & Observer.

You just know bad news, or at least bad PR, is coming.


http://www.dukebasketballreport.com...ack-with-another-dose-of-unc-scandal-acc-ncaa
 
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Another Archer gem.He talks about the UK crazies threatening Higgins the referee for their NCAA game. Haven't there been numerous threats toward Mary Willingham and Dan Kane?Pot meet kettle.Never in my life have I seen a less self aware or more hypercritical group
 
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Another Archer gem.He talks about the UK crazies threatening Higgins the referee for their NCAA game. Haven't there been numerous threats toward Mary Willingham and Dan Kane?Pot meet kettle.Never in my life have I seen a less self aware or more hypercritical group

So true....NEVER will they take a true look in the mirror at their OWN faults and areas of deficiency......No wonder, they're ashamed...

OFC
 
Devil DJ The August NCAA meeting will not tell us the penalties if any correct.They will be announced when?

With that being the case, some kind of end is in sight. The NCAA will issue its own response to UNC’s response in July. The hearing is likely in August, with resolution to come months after that.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article152660089.html

Barring more delays the case will proceed to August as you mentioned. No definitive date after that for sanctions to be announced. Nuthin's happened quickly so I would say a couple of months minimum but I don't know precisely. It's my understanding that once a decision is rendered , things proceed relatively quickly. unx can appeal but that is heard/adjudicated in ( I think? ) 2 weeks. One of the more unnerving aspects of this is that it appears as if unx can squeeze in another season. That's insane. Shoulda been shut down completely long ago but here they are...denying an' delaying as long as humanly possible. In the meantime , they've convinced an already dumbass fan base that THEY'RE the victims. smh.
 
With that being the case, some kind of end is in sight. The NCAA will issue its own response to UNC’s response in July. The hearing is likely in August, with resolution to come months after that.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article152660089.html

Barring more delays the case will proceed to August as you mentioned. No definitive date after that for sanctions to be announced. Nuthin's happened quickly so I would say a couple of months minimum but I don't know precisely. It's my understanding that once a decision is rendered , things proceed relatively quickly. unx can appeal but that is heard/adjudicated in ( I think? ) 2 weeks. One of the more unnerving aspects of this is that it appears as if unx can squeeze in another season. That's insane. Shoulda been shut down completely long ago but here they are...denying an' delaying as long as humanly possible. In the meantime , they've convinced an already dumbass fan base that THEY'RE the victims. smh.

They will do ANYTHING to SQUEEZE in another season and offset a postseason ban for '17-'18. With RC $$$$ and lawyers sleazy maneuvers, it will happen and give Roy a chance to achieve what K achieved: Back to Back nattys.....He's an obsessed liar and cheater, hiding behind folksy charm and an attitude of "poor lil ol me" to a gullible in state sports media.... OFC
 
I am still appalled to this very minute. May we never forget what happened and may we always remind them. It was a disgrace and will always be a disgrace.

Professor among 4 fired in UNC academic fraud


EMERY P. DALESIO (Associated Press)
The Associated PressDec 31, 2014, 7:24 PM
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- North Carolina's flagship public university is trying to fire a senior professor, accepted the resignation of another faculty member and dismissed an academic counselor for athletes for their roles in the fraud scandal that rocked the school, campus officials said Wednesday.

Steps to terminate University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill philosophy professor and former faculty leader Jeanette Boxill started on Oct. 22, the same day that a scathing report into the cheating scandal was released, campus Chancellor Carol Folt said in a statement. Boxill is appealing Folt's decision, information that was released after a lawsuit by The Associated Press and nine other media organizations.

North Carolina's public records law requires state agencies, including public universities, to make employee records available. That includes records regarding their dismissal, suspension, or demotion. UNC-Chapel Hill officials had said the disclosure wasn't required until after an employee has finished appealing the decision, a process that could take years.

The report by former U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein found a pattern of fake classes, which allowed 3,100 athletes and other students to earn artificially high grades from 1993 to 2011. While the sham courses were solely in the African studies department, multiple people around campus knew of them or suspected something but said nothing, the report said.

Folt said she was naming Boxill ''in light of the extraordinary circumstances underlying the longstanding and intolerable academic irregularities described in the Wainstein Report, as well as her role as chair of the faculty council during a period of time covered by the report.''

Campus lawyer David Parker also disclosed that Timothy McMillan resigned after 17 years at the school. He was a senior lecturer in the Department of African, African American and Diaspora Studies, the renamed department where a retired administrator orchestrated and a retired chairman allowed the pattern of no-show classes and generous grades.

Boxill and McMillan did not return phone messages seeking comment.

Parker also said academic counselor Jaimie Lee was terminated, which was previously reported.

The conduct of six other campus employees is being reviewed for possible disciplinary action, Parker said. Any who are disciplined will be identified, Parker said.

Boxill directed women's basketball players she advised into the fake courses, at least twice sought to influence the grades given to students, and acknowledged sometimes editing student papers, the report said.

McMillan ''effectively knew what was happening (with the fake classes), even if he was careful not to learn all of the details,'' the report said.

Folt said in October that four campus employees were fired and five others disciplined for their roles in an academic fraud scheme. Tom Ross, president of the 16-campus state university system, added that he was taking ''action involving an individual formerly employed on this campus, now employed at another UNC campus.''

Beth Bridger, one of the football counselors named in the report as steering players toward the bogus classes, lost her job at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington the day the report was published.

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I am still appalled to this very minute. May we never forget what happened and may we always remind them. It was a disgrace and will always be a disgrace.

Professor among 4 fired in UNC academic fraud


EMERY P. DALESIO (Associated Press)
The Associated PressDec 31, 2014, 7:24 PM
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- North Carolina's flagship public university is trying to fire a senior professor, accepted the resignation of another faculty member and dismissed an academic counselor for athletes for their roles in the fraud scandal that rocked the school, campus officials said Wednesday.

Steps to terminate University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill philosophy professor and former faculty leader Jeanette Boxill started on Oct. 22, the same day that a scathing report into the cheating scandal was released, campus Chancellor Carol Folt said in a statement. Boxill is appealing Folt's decision, information that was released after a lawsuit by The Associated Press and nine other media organizations.

North Carolina's public records law requires state agencies, including public universities, to make employee records available. That includes records regarding their dismissal, suspension, or demotion. UNC-Chapel Hill officials had said the disclosure wasn't required until after an employee has finished appealing the decision, a process that could take years.

The report by former U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein found a pattern of fake classes, which allowed 3,100 athletes and other students to earn artificially high grades from 1993 to 2011. While the sham courses were solely in the African studies department, multiple people around campus knew of them or suspected something but said nothing, the report said.

Folt said she was naming Boxill ''in light of the extraordinary circumstances underlying the longstanding and intolerable academic irregularities described in the Wainstein Report, as well as her role as chair of the faculty council during a period of time covered by the report.''

Campus lawyer David Parker also disclosed that Timothy McMillan resigned after 17 years at the school. He was a senior lecturer in the Department of African, African American and Diaspora Studies, the renamed department where a retired administrator orchestrated and a retired chairman allowed the pattern of no-show classes and generous grades.

Boxill and McMillan did not return phone messages seeking comment.

Parker also said academic counselor Jaimie Lee was terminated, which was previously reported.

The conduct of six other campus employees is being reviewed for possible disciplinary action, Parker said. Any who are disciplined will be identified, Parker said.

Boxill directed women's basketball players she advised into the fake courses, at least twice sought to influence the grades given to students, and acknowledged sometimes editing student papers, the report said.

McMillan ''effectively knew what was happening (with the fake classes), even if he was careful not to learn all of the details,'' the report said.

Folt said in October that four campus employees were fired and five others disciplined for their roles in an academic fraud scheme. Tom Ross, president of the 16-campus state university system, added that he was taking ''action involving an individual formerly employed on this campus, now employed at another UNC campus.''

Beth Bridger, one of the football counselors named in the report as steering players toward the bogus classes, lost her job at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington the day the report was published.

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It is a SHAME. OFC
 
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It is ashamed that they will eventually buy their way out of it and go on professing "The Carolina Way" and act as if nothing ever happened. Bottom line is even my 7 year old knows that the tarheels cheated but will not be punished for it so what kind of message are they willing to put out there for the future generations of kids coming along. Basically if you have enough money you can buy your way out of anything and we all have seen this on numerous accounts in our society already over the last few years. They will however be tarnished forever. The real Carolina way. Cheat when you cant achieve.
 
It is ashamed that they will eventually buy their way out of it and go on professing "The Carolina Way" and act as if nothing ever happened. Bottom line is even my 7 year old knows that the tarheels cheated but will not be punished for it so what kind of message are they willing to put out there for the future generations of kids coming along. Basically if you have enough money you can buy your way out of anything and we all have seen this on numerous accounts in our society already over the last few years. They will however be tarnished forever. The real Carolina way. Cheat when you cant achieve.

History will show them tarnished forever, regardless of what happens. Its true however they've provided a virtual blueprint if you will for beating the system:Hire top gun lawyers, lie, deflect, deny, and keep throwing money at lawyers, fired personnel (to stay quiet), in short do WHATEVER IT TAKES to protect ATHLETICS, namely in this case MENS BASKETBALL.
#RoyKnew

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